Elevator Shuffle Rant

[kajun_kutey]

I am a mom of 2 young children, and I work at home. Therefore, I rarely have time to play TT. As a result, I am still a Short Change Level 1. I have attempted the CFO many times but I have not gotten the opportunity to play since they tweaked it to make it beatable. I just tried to go into the elevator a few minutes ago and was shunned but a group of toons. I am have 106 lp, I know how the CFO works and I am just as capable as anyone else in that elevator!!! Every time I'd get on the elevator they'd hop. A lot of those toons were saying ""PHEW!" when I got bumped out. Just because you can sit around all day and beat the CFO over and over doesn't mean you can be rude to those of us who have other things to do!

[Loosy Goosy]

Yea groups get formed fairly easy and end up pretty rock-solid, to the point of
insecurity. It's that pack mentality that effects everyone. The 'mode' kicks in,
the cyclical frenzy combined with toon/playstyle familiarity that comes out of
several runs together. When a 9th wheel shows up, rarely if ever will someone
volunteer to bow out once they're deep in the mode. Nobody wants the group
to 'break up' because someone else wants to go. It's not an excuse, just an
explanation. I'm sure nobody in that group meant ill-will toward you specifically
KK, just didn't want to break up their routine.

Sorry that happened. Since there are so many people playing in the CFO
battle, it sure would be nice for groups to split in half and reform into 2 new full
groups when that happens. It seems to me that finding 3 or 4 toons for each
group would be a lot easier than for one toon to find 7 when he/she's all alone.

[WizardHawk]

You must not be playing at the right times. The elevator has been a place of dance more then substance of late, but 3 times today we did runs with less than 8 and the spurious toons around the elevator refused to get on! We beat the CFO with runs of: 7, 6, and 5 toons going in because of this. I have several friends that are not part of the main group I have ran with that mostly do random runs with perhaps one friend along and they have no more problems with the shuffle then the groups do.

I'd suggest to anyone that you may be better served to complete tasks for your suit parts and be ready for when the CFO lobby is locked up again. I'm sure the stress now felt will subside and you will find lots of happy, helpful toons willing to go with you.

(pinch me, its just a dream I have...)

[Escargotage]

Originally Posted by kajun_kutey

I am a mom of 2 young children, and I work at home. Therefore, I rarely have time to play TT. As a result, I am still a Short Change Level 1. I have attempted the CFO many times but I have not gotten the opportunity to play since they tweaked it to make it beatable. I just tried to go into the elevator a few minutes ago and was shunned but a group of toons. I am have 106 lp, I know how the CFO works and I am just as capable as anyone else in that elevator!!! Every time I'd get on the elevator they'd hop. A lot of those toons were saying ""PHEW!" when I got bumped out. Just because you can sit around all day and beat the CFO over and over doesn't mean you can be rude to those of us who have other things to do!

Kajun, my group needed one more toon and there was still time for you to get on. Why didn't you come along? We really would've liked to have you with us.

[Kehawin]

Originally Posted by WizardHawk

...3 times today we did runs with less than 8 and the spurious toons around the elevator refused to get on!

Just a thought here, but perhaps those "spurious" (definition= bogus or forged) toons were reacting to all the rants from the other side of the fence: "If you see a group of toons obviously together, please don't grief them by jumping on the elevator with them!"

And even: "Those who went with 6 and didn't want extra company could have wanted to see if 6 was possible or they were working on a special set of strategies for working short handed. Perhaps they just wanted to go with those they could chat with. They have the right to experiment and go with, or not go with anyone they chose. No one owes you a trip into the CFO."
Congrats to those beating CFO

I'd suggest to anyone that you may be better served to complete tasks for your suit parts and be ready for when the CFO lobby is locked up again. I'm sure the stress now felt will subside and you will find lots of happy, helpful toons willing to go with you.

(pinch me, its just a dream I have...)

PINCH!!!

When people are losing parts, you really think this will change? Or are you referring to the fact that once a toon's parts are done, their toon has higher laff points?

[Kehawin]

Originally Posted by Loosy Goosy

Yea groups get formed fairly easy and end up pretty rock-solid, to the point of
insecurity. It's that pack mentality that effects everyone. The 'mode' kicks in,
the cyclical frenzy combined with toon/playstyle familiarity that comes out of
several runs together. When a 9th wheel shows up, rarely if ever will someone
volunteer to bow out once they're deep in the mode. Nobody wants the group
to 'break up' because someone else wants to go. It's not an excuse, just an
explanation. I'm sure nobody in that group meant ill-will toward you specifically
KK, just didn't want to break up their routine.

Sorry that happened. Since there are so many people playing in the CFO
battle, it sure would be nice for groups to split in half and reform into 2 new full
groups when that happens. It seems to me that finding 3 or 4 toons for each
group would be a lot easier than for one toon to find 7 when he/she's all alone.

LG you said it so wonderfully I am sorry to add to your post...

But of course, I do have something I want to say, and yours seems to be most related...

There are several issues with the CFO that makes "tagging along" with a pre-established group of people a shallow win in my opinion. On the one hand, I know people who insist that stompers really should stomp ALL goons, not just a small quadrant, for if one stomper goes sad dealing with too many, the whole team suffers. But I have been chastised in the CFO, to my utter shock, for leaving my area (I left because someone from another area was coming into "mine" and stomping those goons too while another area seemed to be full of them).
On the one hand, I can handle being a little low on laff when the goons are yellow and even orange. On the other, one of my friends whose natural talent I totally respect told me I was being foolish to not keep myself full. Then I got whispered a frowny face by a s/f for accidentally backing into a treasure as I backed away from the goon I had just stomped because I was only down 7 pts. Being who I am, I had to stop what I was doing and apologize to her and explain that I hadn't done it on purpose and that I was very sorry, etc. Woops, better get back to my job!

I appreciate it when people let me go along. I too am a (single) parent and hold down a full-time job, so don't play toontown all day. It really takes the fun away though when the pressure to conform (labeled "learn" by those who are doing the labeling) turns into stress that hinders my own abilities.

So yeah, go for it. Find the team you like, play with them and get the suit, or whatever it is you are looking for.

Meanwhile, there are some dark horses lurking that may just have some techniques yet undiscovered because they are being asked to conform. Or maybe not. We won't know till they get to try on a regular basis without pressure. Oh wait. I think that is what Disney was trying to do by lifting the parts/merits requirements and making the cog battle easy. Hmmm. I could be wrong tho.

I just hope that in my case I end up someday having as much fun in the CFO version of the CCG (whatever it may turn out to be) as I had on my superquack duck and the Prof when they used to run with the CCG.

[BunBun]

Originally Posted by Loosy Goosy

When a 9th wheel shows up, rarely if ever will someone volunteer to bow out once they're deep in the mode.

I just wanted to say that I have bowed out of a CFO run with my organized group because of a "9th wheel". The person happened to be my sf and someone in the group had said no, so and so isn't with us. I got off the elevator and said, yes he does go, he's my sf and I'm not going to shuffle him out of a run, he was here first.

It may not happen often, but it does happen.

[WizardHawk]

Originally Posted by Kehawin

Just a thought here, but perhaps those "spurious" toons were reacting to all the rants from the other side of the fence: "If you see a group of toons obviously together, please don't grief them by jumping on the elevator with them!"

We used phrases like 'Let's go!' and 'One more?'. It was quite obvious they were welcome. By the same token it wasn't expected they go but I've seen other partial groups of 3-6 go while we have been there. They are not that rare.

PINCH!!!

When people are losing parts, you really think this will change? Or are you referring to the fact that once a toon's parts are done, their toon has higher laff points?

What I meant was when they close off CHQ again to only those with full suits the grieving small toons will not be there at all. Neither will the curious 30's and 40's toons. Only toons in at least their 80's will have any access at all. It isn't that the smaller toons are to blame for the problems, but when some larger toons with go with them and others wont it becomes a nightmare. With only larger toons going there really is no reason for shuffling or refusing to take toons that are there with you.

Again, it was stated that we will no longer be losing parts as we understand the new system to work. Once you have a suit, you have it. All you have to 'earn' is merits.

[Super Fireball Bumblehopper]

IMO... i have found the cfo on test to become just as horrid with the shuffle as on open with the sellbot vp!! I was called to help a friend with the cfo the other day and asked if i could bring a friend, no problem, we showed up and others had called friends too so there were more than enough to go, we started the load and shuffle began so my friend and i stepped back and the elevator loaded leaving us behind.. no big deal... thought we'll catch the next group. Then to my amazement another full load comes in and loads the elevator again leaving us behind. (also, neither of us are small toons, not that it should matter) I don't have a problem with staying behind so that the shuffle is omitted but when you constantly run into the shufflers it can be very disturbing to say the least. We ARE only working with 2 servers here!!

I understand that sometimes you may want to run with a group of friends and that's great, but consider this, you can carry 50 friends on your list and your friend 50 and so on and so on, are you suppose to shun others just so you can have your ELITE group for cfo?? (obviously not all will be on at same time but...)

I read once where someone had wanted to start a "short change guild" for test and at first i thought that was crazy! I'm now rethinking that thought!

[Spunky]

Originally Posted by Super Fireball Bumblehopper

i have found the cfo on test to become just as horrid with the shuffle as on open with the sellbot vp!!

Oh please. I have been left in the CFO lobby three or four times on Test, but it is absolutely not comparable with Open Sellbot VP shuffling. That can take hours.

A couple of weeks ago I left a shuffling VP lobby because of a couple of Hollies that wanted only 100 laff toons (my toon was 104). I went to help a friend do a 5 Cash DL and when I got back to the lobby those two hollies were still there. Maybe they just like to shuffle.

If only there were a way to tell, in the lobby, how good a Toon is on the cranes. I have done some Cash CFO runs in 10 minutes, others in 50.

[BunBun]

A few minutes ago Miss Flea Caller and Precious were more than happy to board the CFO elevator with 6 mid laff toons. Well, there was a group wanting to go and that group chose to let us randomers go first, that's fine, it was considerate of them to wait for us to board, we were there first. So on we get and so do the mid laffers when one decides to jump off, naturally the other 5 followed. We did this twice. After the second time, both Precious and I decided we weren't dealing with this on and off game, so we both left. Lo and behold, half the mid laffers who were hopping followed us out and were awfully disappointed we were logging off.

You know what, you had your chance to CFO and you chose not to take it. That's your problem, not mine.

This is not directed at anyone here, I don't even know the names of the toons in question.

[kalan]

I personally don't like to shuffle at all but a group feels safe with the same team, at least for winning. To all my friends don't wait for me if some jump in cause I know you can take it. Congrats to Mortica for making 50 with only 6, glad I was there.
Win so much with same group I love shake it up, at 25 went with 2 ones, a two, a four , a seven, and eight. Had the hardest time getting them on ele, they thought I'd alt or something. We did'nt win , but most fun I had in days.

[DutchAmerica]

I think the majority of toons that I play with on a consistant basis are pretty cool. They don't mind splitting up or taking 'strangers' or little toons with us. We will stand there waiting for one more toon and I think that we all 'call' someone we know and end up with enough toons for 2 or 3 groups. And generally, we just hop on and go. Sometimes we might have 1 or 2 friends we might want to stay with but if it doesn't happen, we just come back after we do the cfo and try again. lol

I don't know how many time we ran the cfo the other night and each time we had a different group. Most of them made it all the way and if they didn't we tooned them up and took them back to try again. It's when you get those 'picky choosy' guys standing at the door and obviously don't want to got that cause a lot of problems. It's like they are trying to get the highest mix of big toons they can before they will get on. And if there is one small toon on the elevator, they won't stay on. Thus goes the shuffle.

[Loosy Goosy]

Originally Posted by WizardHawk

I'd suggest to anyone that you may be better served to complete tasks for your suit parts and be ready for when the CFO lobby is locked up again. I'm sure the stress now felt will subside and you will find lots of happy, helpful toons willing to go with you.

(pinch me, its just a dream I have...)

'Scuse me? Got all your parts? How many toons in your circle of friends do?

That sure did sound like a "get lost" paragraph man, whether you meant it or not.

[Loosy Goosy]

Originally Posted by WizardHawk

Again, it was stated that we will no longer be losing parts as we understand the new system to work. Once you have a suit, you have it. All you have to 'earn' is merits.

You wish!

Trust me, we will be losing parts. If we have the same animation when we go
into the chamber, the boss smelling toons, knocking off our suits, brown poofs of
smoke, we lose parts dude. We will have to do tasks to get the parts back. I like
it. It's by far a better system than the mindless factory runs.