ah come on.

[Captain Bingo Peppersocks]

how come ppl are getting so mean?

[DutchAmerica]

Originally Posted by Captain Bingo Peppersocks

how come ppl are getting so mean?

Sorry I was in the middle of doing a vp and by the time we finished you had already logged out.

I happen to know that even though your toon isn't a big toon, I find you to be very polite, cooperative and have a good idea of battle strategy.

So know I am really curious as to what happened.

[BunBun]

I'm assuming you are referring to the CFO shuffle. My question is this, why do toons keep insisting on boarding the elevator when a group of friends is trying to play together and have no space? Does anyone stop to think that perhaps even groups with bigger suits are still training some of those within the group to do both jobs effectively so that when Cash HQ gets to open we can teach them too? My toon is a Bean Counter and after all my attempts on crane, I finally learned how to hit effectively. I can't teach others if I can't do it consisteny myself, I still need practice.

[DutchAmerica]

Originally Posted by BunBun

My toon is a Bean Counter and after all my attempts on crane, I finally learned how to hit effectively. I can't teach others if I can't do it consisteny myself, I still need practice.

At the risk of being ranted at but I just have to say it anyway, we are not on test to 'practice'. We are there to test the game for problems. We put up with District Reset, quirky bugs and numerous other problems that are annoying. And for our trouble, we have the privilege of see things and trying things before they come out on open. ALL FOR FREE!! And yes it gives us an advantage when it finally does come out on open. People on open aren't dummies. It will only take a few days, IF there are not huge glitches, for the open toons to the get 'hang' of headquarters and doing CFO.

As for elevator shuffles, I don't like them either. However, unless everyone bails on the elevator, I ride it out come what may. Most of the toons I play with and my friends do the best we can. We don't kill off annoying toons and we don't dump them. Just the last couple of days we had numerous annoying smaller toons we would loved to have spoon fed to the cogs. One we made sweat a little, but we got him through. And I played with him again later, and he still hadn't learned to be 'cooperative' but again we got him through.

The smaller toon being dumped might be the one to notice a serious glitch that could get through to the open game. And won't that make us as testers look bad if there is a HUGE problem when it comes out.

As for Captain, he is NOT pushy. He does have a little puppy dog 'aura' about him, hoping he will be accepted and taken along. And if you take him, he WILL give it his best try. And it's because of his really cool attitude that I find him to be one of most endearing little friends.

[kalan]

Originally Posted by BunBun

I'm assuming you are referring to the CFO shuffle. My question is this, why do toons keep insisting on boarding the elevator when a group of friends is trying to play together and have no space?

There are quite a few groups now that go together cause they know what their role is in that group. When you try shove your way in, you hurt the whole group inculding youself. Last run had a guy did'nt know mags at all and would'nt let anyone else(all Bean +) have one. Now think you want to win too, right?
It is very fine line between winning and losing sometimes and if you cause it noone is going with you, in the future. So let the groups go don't stand there blocking them, and if they keep jumping off let them go. When there is a spot I always take new guys, so be wise and your behavior will be noticed good and bad.
Ones don't want to go with each other, but you should, lose some jb and learn without worrying about winning. I lost 15 times between discos and learning how to be a team player.
Then you'll be an asset to any team.
Snob suits are not groups, and I am not one of them, or Suit snobs as my friend says.

[DutchAmerica]

I agree, if you see a group, let them go.

My thing with the CFO is that toons have to be able to multi task. All 8 toons can't be on the magnets unless you have a group that you only run with and you do the same job every time you go. And all 8 toons probably would like to 'learn' to do the cranes. Sometimes you have to share.

Once it gets on open, there will be LOTS of strangers wanting to go. Are these same self-professed 'teachers' going to be willing to leave there 'pre-formed' groups and take others in. Or are they going to stand there with all their 'experience' and judge what can and can't make it?

Or is it just so that they will have the honor of being the first Robber Baron on open before anyone else? Personally I am very uncomfortable with the fact that some players may be on test for that reason only.


I would like to ask some of my friends if they would be will to put together a nice strong group and take Peppersocks into the vp with us? I think I will be getting my first ever Mr. Hollywood this weekend. I would love for you guys to be along with me, including Captain Peppersocks.

[Captain Bingo Peppersocks]

well when i left that was when i said bah let the activity go down. by the way, i'm a penny pincher lvl 3!

[Zilly Zillerzilla]

I believe some toons really are trying to work out strategies with toons they can communicate with. When the CAsh HQ comes out on open many of the non-test people there are going to be referring back to strategies that are being posted here. So that is one reason for being in there other than glitch testing.
There wont be anyone there who is under post brrg level so the value of low laff experience in there is rather diminished.(And you have to live thru the battle to see all the problems with it ya know). I can appreciate that they want to try it out before it becomes closed to them due to suit requirements but they might have played thier toons up to the post brrg when the hints started coming that Cash Hq was around the corner. Most testers who I have spoken to immediately worked a toon up from TTC to post Brrgh as soon as they possibly could in anticipation of testing a new HQ. So you have all these toons who put in the time to get ready and you have toons that didn't want to be bothered unless there was some new cool thing added. (like Doodles for example)

Well if you are one of these then I say ask politely to go with a group if you want to see it before its closed to you or Post a request like Captain Bingo has here. Dont grief the groups that are together and don't jump on the elevator without asking.
Perhaps we can get a "Take a Noob to the CFO Night" together or something.

[BunBun]

Originally Posted by DutchAmerica

Once it gets on open, there will be LOTS of strangers wanting to go. Are these same self-professed 'teachers' going to be willing to leave there 'pre-formed' groups and take others in. Or are they going to stand there with all their 'experience' and judge what can and can't make it?

Or is it just so that they will have the honor of being the first Robber Baron on open before anyone else? Personally I am very uncomfortable with the fact that some players may be on test for that reason only.

I have quite a few friends who are not on test that I would like to go in with and teach. Why? Because I've been wondering how to go about getting a SCG type thing going in a similar manner to the CCG. I've come up with a few ideas but havent discussed them with anyone at this point. Because the CFO is so different from VP, I've been trying to think of ways to get inexperienced toons through and reduce the frustration level open will get. It's gonna be alot harder for them to learn the roles necessary because they'll need parts/merits between every run, they dont have the advantage that we on test do.

Your Robber Baron comment is why Miss Flea Caller left your friends list. How dare you assume that.

[WizardHawk]

Originally Posted by kalan

Snob suits are not groups, and I am not one of them, or Suit snobs as my friend says.

I resent that comment. I run with a group that has members totaling 15 or more at any given time. We may have a full 8 or as little as 5 at a time and we always let whoever is around fill in the gaps. I will NOT leave a friend behind just to let others go and that sure doesn't make me a snob, it makes me a friend. Just because some of us are already at robber barron doesn't make us bad people, it makes us addicts.

[WizardHawk]

Originally Posted by DutchAmerica

Or is it just so that they will have the honor of being the first Robber Baron on open before anyone else? Personally I am very uncomfortable with the fact that some players may be on test for that reason only.

I'm not sure why YOU are on test, but I'm here to TEST NEW AREAS! We are running it to death and doing it from every angle to TEST IT! You cannot TEST IT by going in once and saying 'well this looks nice', you have to put it to its paces and see where the bugs are. I turn in big reports almost every day, do you?

[Snickerdoodle Dog]

Originally Posted by WizardHawk

I run with a group that has members totaling 15 or more at any given time. We may have a full 8 or as little as 5 at a time and we always let whoever is around fill in the gaps. I will NOT leave a friend behind just to let others go and that sure doesn't make me a snob, it makes me a friend. Just because some of us are already at robber barron doesn't make us bad people, it makes us addicts.

I know a lot of toons who group the same way. I have several friends who have had the time to run WAY more than me, and I love to run with them. I'm happy to be one of those friends not left behind when I have the chance to play. I know you've made room for me so, THANKS!



Seriously though...aren't we here to have fun while we test the changes?

[Candy Twinkletoes]

There is a group of toons running CFO,
We call them the tBorg (ToonBorg),

some of them I helped through Daisy Gardens and Minnies when my toon was almost maxxed and they were new to test,
(that was my third toon i maxxed on test)
I did not have to help them at all
- i was already doing Sell VP's
(and we tested Sell VP to death, some of us test toons do their jobs and STILL run a few Sell VP's and Factory's with EACH update to ensure no old bugs have crept back in and to spot any new ones) -
but I went out of my way to help them,
finding the specific 3+ and 4+ builds they needed for their tasks,
telling them the best places to look for certain builds,
and going with them when they did not have enough toons,
standing idly by in the building keeping them tooned while they worked their gags,
giving them lifts to playgrounds they did not haveTP access to,

in short all the helpfull things people on test are SUPPOSED to be doing to get as many people up to speed as fast as poossible,

and what do THOSE toons that I helped do to the community now??
they REFUSE to take other toons (outside their collective) along on CFO runs,
they REFUSE should to help other toons (outside their collective) complete a task,
they Elevator Shuffle in the CFO specifically to exclude people not in the "collective"
they ALLOW toons to go sad in both Sell VP and CFO cog battle,
they HOG the toonups in the CFO crane fight,
they WILL NOT do a Sell VP run,
they WILL NOT do a Sell Factory run,

you can ONLY join their "collective" if you are willing to follow the commands of the "leader" and use the "leaders" chosen voice chat program.

The only time they allow toons outside the "collective" to tag along is if not enough of their "collective" are online at that time.

People I respected, i believed were good testers and thought were my friends.

and i know the "leader" does not come here any more, but plenty of her drones do, I say to the "leader" now -
i refuse to be assimilated by you and your tBorg
i refuse to accept your callous attitude to those outside your "collective"
i condemn in the strongest possible terms your ELE Shuffle tactics to exclude those not in your "collective"


Some of the "tBorg collective" will now drop into this thread and complain i dont do this, or i dont do that
to them i say
You are now part of a collective,
you have participated in collective activities,
you are therefore judged by the actions of the collective, all for one and one for all,
thus if a memeber of the collective is evil or mean and allowed to remain in the collective then the collective as a whole is evil and mean for you all obey, without question, your "leader", by collectively working together to exclude those not in your collective from participating
Further those who used profanity to me on the "leaders" chosen channel when I first became aware of the collective and it's activities were NOT chastised, therefore profanity and rudeness to anyone questioning the collectives motives or activities is obviously approved of by the "leader" and the collective as a whole.

In Summary :-
Participation in the tBorg collective is deemed to be approval of the tBorg collectives activities, as long as such mean and evil activities are allowed and encouraged by the "leader" all members of the tBorg collective are held to account for the actions of any single member of the tBorg collective


The tBorg collective and all memebers of it hereby stand condemned by me and all members of it will remain condemned until they
a - leave the tBorg collective
b - prove they are not evil or mean.


I will now identify my Test Toons who have members of the tBorg collective remaining on their friends list,

If you are brave enough to stand up and identify yourselves and your test toons to the community you can remain on my lists, for one day you may show remorse and penitence for particpating in the tBorg collective.

If you are cowards then remove yourselves from my toons lists immediately

Harmony and Clyde McBubble on Test

[DutchAmerica]

Originally Posted by WizardHawk

I'm not sure why YOU are on test, but I'm here to TEST NEW AREAS! We are running it to death and doing it from every angle to TEST IT! You cannot TEST IT by going in once and saying 'well this looks nice', you have to put it to its paces and see where the bugs are. I turn in big reports almost every day, do you?

And if this subject doesn't apply to you then DON'T take it as an insult.

I always wonder why the nice people always get so defensive?

I have gone to the CFO over and over. I have gone sad, disco's, won a couple. I have sent in all the scarecrowed toons I see when I tp. I snitch on the glitches I find, and I have found a bunch. Some have been fixed, some not. The laff meter glitch was fixed. lol I think that one was funny because when I said something here about it, some people scoffed at me. But it's not something you would necessarily notice unless you were running 2 computers side by side. Thing is, I don't necessarily watch BOTH screens but one day I just 'noticed' it. I have fished like a mad man, rode the trolley, gone through vp, the factory (Loads of bugs there btw), done buildings, I've even bought a bunch of doodles(each from a different playground)(Not just for the toon up factor, but to see if they lead to lag as I've heard they do.). It takes a brave person to put up with 4 of those little devils and I plan on adding 2 more. I have played with my baby toons, my middle toons. I have definitely put the games through it's paces and made a lot of reports.

But the teaching comment kinda got me. Because shouldn't they also trying 'teaching' it to other toons on test too? It's kind of like, I'm doing this now so that I can go on open and 'teach' it. Why not teach it to the smaller toons on test now? If they NEVER take other toons with them, they wouldn't think to send an email to Disney like I did asking for CFO battle phrases like "I am doing the crane", "you should stomp the goonies", You should operate the crane", etc.

Some of these smaller toons have been working like crazy to get big enough to even come close to surviving the CFO & VP. I am just saying that these 'hard and fast' 'groups' that are trying to find glitches might just occassionally take a chance and let some of the smaller toons go with them. My friend for instance is a penny pincher. Though he doesn't have toon up or the greatest gags, he OBVIOUSLY did SOMETHING right to get through the battles he got through. There is a very small majority of toons that are willing to go with them and that is sad.

[BunBun]

Originally Posted by DutchAmerica

But the teaching comment kinda got me. Because shouldn't they also trying 'teaching' it to other toons on test too? It's kind of like, I'm doing this now so that I can go on open and 'teach' it. Why not teach it to the smaller toons on test now? If they NEVER take other toons with them, they wouldn't think to send an email to Disney like I did asking for CFO battle phrases like "I am doing the crane", "you should stomp the goonies", You should operate the crane", etc.

Well, I did offer to bring you on one of my runs but for whatever reason (I dont recall the reason now), you couldn't come. But to go off and insinuate that I'm simply looking to get a Robber Baron suit is insulting. The group I'm running with isn't even aware of my thoughts on an SCG type of thing on open. Matter of fact, I only spoke to Deputy Monty about it a short while ago, and she's the only person I've spoken to about it. The finer details of how it would work are still being fine tuned but in the meantime, I need to learn the crane so I can participate in this on open. So tell me, how can I teach you if I'm still learning it myself? I can tell you this much about stomping goons, you protect your crane partner from getting any goon hits, and at the same time remembering to not let your own laff get too low. You are no good to your crane partner if you are sad in the playground.