Completely disillusioned

[Kehawin]

After hearing for a year about how nice and friendly everyone is on test, I have to say...

NOT TRUE

Either it used to be that way, and new testers have tainted it, or people had the wool pulled over their eyes. I have seen most of the bad behaviour I witness on open, all in the month I have been on test.

For example, today, I spent literally the whole day looking for 4 story bldgs to complete the "defeat 5 4 story buildings" for my 50 gag bag, with the added ouch of 2 4 story bosses needed and 3 4 story cash needed for other tasks in the brrgh. Had a non s-f who is still in DD helping me look, since none of the 49 other friends I have seemed to want to help. Made a new friend who needed help too, and we found a 4 story cash. So I called my friend who had been helping me all day, but before she got there another toon showed up, so I said let's wait for my friend, and then so did she. OK, so my smaller laff friend didn't need that building, and maybe these other two toons did. I apologized to my friend, she said no problem, and we went into the building. However, the two toons who weren't my friends were being rather selfish with gags (something which is rather a pet peeve of mine...) using trap and lure only. So, ok, I can handle not working those gags, so I threw a pie at a different cog and killed it... and was told "Let's all go for the same cog". So I guess I am supposed to pass? Let you trap each time, not use trap myself, and pass cause you want the gag experience on that level 6 cog I took out alone. Ugh.

So onward. YAY, I finally found a 4 story boss, after having a task for days to defeat only 2 of them. Quickly 4 toons are in front of it, one saying she needs to defeat some buildings in the brrgh, and two who are clones saying "I need 6 lumpy cheeses from the Big Cheeses" and the other saying Yes. Ok, we go in... there is a big cheese there. The toon keeps saying his task over and over again, and then they start saying, let's go back to the playground, meet here.

So I am supposed to take the chance of not getting my task done, which I have been trying to get done for days, just because they wanted to take the easy road (equivalent to cheating in my mind...)? If I had gone ahead with the other toon who needed that building too and defeated the thing, I would have been labeled the bad guy. But there was no guarantee if I left with them that it would still be there when I got back. Correct me if I am wrong, but do you HAVE to get lumpy cheeses from a 4 story building in the brrgh? Or could you maybe find a building in, say, Donald's dock, that has a big cheese and pull your little stunt there?

This is just an example of what has happened tonight. I know, I know, get a thicker skin, the world is a terrible place, deal with it.

But the next time someone tells me how test is such a peaceful place, so much better than open, I think I will recommend they get off the sauce.

And by the way, I alt f4'd out of there. Thank you, I know you read these boards. I am not a kid, but you did hurt my feelings enough that I cried.

[Master Chip Wonderslam]

Epona, I can assure you with 100% certainty that there are a lot of people on Test (and Open too) that are wonderful. I did numerous 4's and 5's today in the brrgh and DDL and most of the time it was just myself and one other toon. Had you been on my list, I can assure you that you would have had all the buildings you could handle on this day.


As for the toons in the building you did that wanted to ditch, tell them NO WAY! Don't worry about what label they put on you. I make my own judgements about toons and so do most others. They can post on here what they want and gossip till the cows come home. Won't sway me in the least, I will still help in any way I can. PM a code if you want and I will be more than happy to help you!!

[Salty Fiddlejinks]

Wow, I am sorry you had an encounter like this. I have never heard of such a thing! I think those toons had some nerve to expect another toon to go along entirely with their own selfish agendas. This is especially true when you were not even a friend, but someone wandering along the street attempting to complete your own tasks.

And concerning the second incident, how did they know you even understood the concept of milking a building for cheese? It's one thing to ask this of friends, and to have the group you are with be in agreement. But it is completely outrageous that one would assume this of a total stranger with tasks of their own to complete. Don't be afraid to stand up for yourself once in a while (or just play dumb). The world (and especially Toontown) does not revolve around self-serving toons such as these.

I have had my share of encounters with people in Toontown who demand (not suggest) what gags I should choose or how I should play, and it is not fun. It is entirely unpleasant if the stinkys follow when I don't play "nice" in their little self-centered world. Fortunately it has been rare and I have (personally) never seen it in Test.

[Bunny Summers]

Everyone who plays with me knows I'll stay until the building is done unless I'm w/ sf's and everyone agrees. However, I thought that this issue was fixed...that you couldn't get the reward if you left the building. For example, I had the 10 ice cream cones to get for Sticky George. I got 8 of them by the time I got to the 5th floor and there were no more (was it Big Cheeses for the challenge?) on the 5th floor at all. I thought "CRUD! Now I have to find another building and get two more!" Low and behold, when we exited the elevator it gave me all 10! Loosy Goosy told me he was under the same impression...that they had fixed it so that no defeated building = no reward. Maybe we could've been mistaken.

However, in defense of the other toons, I don't consider it rude at all to want to work specific gags, especially if his friend is willing to accomodate. It may not go along with what you had planned, but it's a mutual understanding between the two that one will, say, lure and the other trap. Now, maybe to expect ME to just pass...it's a bit much. Sorry if they're camping, but if I need to get a task done, I'll say "no thank you" and maybe "I need to go soon." to let them know I'm kinda in a hurry or not interested.

Now, if someone wanted me to leave a building just because they finished their task...pffft. I'm not leaving until I go sad! LOL. If they wanna leave, leave. I'm staying! If they think I'm mean I don't care. I needed the building, I'm keeping it!

As far as them repeating their tasks over and over...they probably were just checking to see if they finished the task or not. But stand your ground! Tell 'em you need the building and do what you gotta do! Make sf's on test though. That's your best bet! Then you can tell them where you are and to meet you outside the building, run and get re-gagged and tp to them.

About them being rude, I wouldn't consider this "rude" behavior, maybe a bit annoying. But you can't expect that Testers are going to be any different, especially with the newest influx of testers just recently added. The old-schoolers will usually bend over backward to help you. But not everyone. I think that's where everyone gets upset though...it's not a "oh no! After you!" "Oh no...you first!" kind of utopia. People rush buildings, people say "you stink!", people leave you. Most of the time it's quiet, but during peak testing times (when new material is released), it sometimes gets hectic looking for that building, that cog you need.

[Salty Fiddlejinks]

Yeah, I completely agree with Bunny here. It is entirely reasonable to work ones gags with a friend, even if there are other toons along whom we do not know. But I have been in buildings (on open) where toons have demanded I use their gag of choice rather than working together to accommodate us both working our gags. Again it takes thought and a concept of teamwork to do this, but it can easily be done while going thru floors in any building. Toons who attempt to control every gag choice and demand I play their way are not my idea of having fun. And like I said before, it's okay to stand up for yourself and keep moving if you don't have time, for example, to milk a building for cheese.

If someone told me they needed cheese over and over, I'm sure I would say something like "Cool!" "Good luck!" and as I'm getting into the elevator, "Let's go!"

[denisse]

Originally Posted by Bunny Summers

Everyone who plays with me knows I'll stay until the building is done unless I'm w/ sf's and everyone agrees. However, I thought that this issue was fixed...that you couldn't get the reward if you left the building. For example, I had the 10 ice cream cones to get for Sticky George. I got 8 of them by the time I got to the 5th floor and there were no more (was it Big Cheeses for the challenge?) on the 5th floor at all. I thought "CRUD! Now I have to find another building and get two more!" Low and behold, when we exited the elevator it gave me all 10! Loosy Goosy told me he was under the same impression...that they had fixed it so that no defeated building = no reward. Maybe we could've been mistaken.

ah, that explains it. i was trying to get minglers yesterday and i found a building that had one on the 2nd floor so i tp'd out without looking and then i found out i didnt get it! arrg! just when i catch on to those neat tricks they go and fix it! lol!

[DLite]

I know from my experience just last week of needing to recover platform shoes from Robber Baron, that farming does not work.

I did the one and only building I could find in DDL and kept going back with only 1 Robber Baron in it on the 2nd floor, needless to say after over 10 attempts, I finally got it, we left the building so I could finish this. Big mistake, I know I had it, but when we exited I need to recover Platform shoes. Urgh. Well that was a real eye opener for me.

Just hang in there with Buildings or any task, I have gone running down the different streets searching for toons to ask them to be my friend, so I could get help. State your task to them, and ask them "Can you help me?" you will be pleasantly surprised how many are more then willing to help you.

Hope you have fun being on test, and remember to post here if you need help with something.

Cheers,
Dlite

Originally Posted by denisse

ah, that explains it. i was trying to get minglers yesterday and i found a building that had one on the 2nd floor so i tp'd out without looking and then i found out i didnt get it! arrg! just when i catch on to those neat tricks they go and fix it! lol!

[William & Sandy]

Aye, bunnines right. You can't expect it to be perfect, now can you? And with the new release of toons, it's more than likely that you'll meet one of them. Aye, but it's much better than Open, you must admit. It's quieter, that's what I like most about it.

[Bunny Summers]

Originally Posted by Salty Fiddlejinks

Yeah, I completely agree with Bunny here. It is entirely reasonable to work ones gags with a friend, even if there are other toons along whom we do not know. But I have been in buildings (on open) where toons have demanded I use their gag of choice rather than working together to accommodate us both working our gags.

Yeah, I'd like people to let me know they're working a specific gag and if you know how to milk...you know how to ask. LOL. For example, a quick "I'm going to use trap!" "Can you help me?" would be cool. But I'm not going to accommodate, for example, if you wanna use a flowerpot on a level 10 cog and we're the only two in the bldg. LOL. It depends on the situation.

And the same goes with using gags. If they kept saying "I'm going to use trap!" repeatedly and I knew I had limited amounts of lure (save some for the top) or just didn't want to use them, just as these toons kept repeating their tasks over and over, when they say that, just say "Good luck!" "Have fun!"

[Sally Kat]

Maybe that's the general difference between open and test...Bunny gave an example of the kind of communication that should go on.
On test, with so few toons to help, you have to make it clear what you're working on, and we helped each other train our gags.
Even toonup, one would toon up and the other would attack the cog...sometimes toonup can fall behind the rest of our gags on test.

Anywho, newer toons pay attention and make sure that you are making yourself clear as to what you want to work on. Everyone understand that we don't like to waste time and it's nice to get something accomplished.

The other day -rcv- helped me out by luring while I sounded, that way my sound wouldn't miss and I got it done! Thanks again to -rcv-!
Help each other out test toons, it's a lot more fun on the test that way.

[beedeei]

[quote=DLite]I know from my experience just last week of needing to recover platform shoes from Robber Baron, that farming does not work.
[quote]

ok from what i can gather toontown devs have tried to stop farming, but the thing is that they have only changed it slightly, now instead of getting the reward at the end of the fight on that floor, you have to wait until you reach the next floor to see if the previous floor has given you what you need, for example........
if you are farming and lets say it is a lvl 4 building, you can now only farm the first two floors, because if you run on the third floor you will only get rewards for the first and second floor, silly i know but this is what the powers above have decided to do.
hope this clears the matter up.

[Bunny Summers]

Originally Posted by beedeei

ok from what i can gather toontown devs have tried to stop farming, but the thing is that they have only changed it slightly, now instead of getting the reward at the end of the fight on that floor, you have to wait until you reach the next floor to see if the previous floor has given you what you need, for example........
if you are farming and lets say it is a lvl 4 building, you can now only farm the first two floors, because if you run on the third floor you will only get rewards for the first and second floor, silly i know but this is what the powers above have decided to do.
hope this clears the matter up.

Well, I guess they think that you'll stop and think "Well, since I have to go to the next floor, might as well finish the building!". LOL. Personally, I'd just make it so that you'd have to dance at the end to get it. It's a pain to have to do the whole building for some (I personally would do the whole building anyway most of the time) and on test, it makes it easier to accomplish your tasks, but I'm still kind of glad that they've done away with it in some capacity.

[beedeei]

Originally Posted by Bunny Summers

Well, I guess they think that you'll stop and think "Well, since I have to go to the next floor, might as well finish the building!". LOL. Personally, I'd just make it so that you'd have to dance at the end to get it. It's a pain to have to do the whole building for some (I personally would do the whole building anyway most of the time) and on test, it makes it easier to accomplish your tasks, but I'm still kind of glad that they've done away with it in some capacity.

They are clever in a way cos unless you go to dreamland it can be hard to find a robber barron on the first two floors for example. I heavily relied on farming for my test toons lom tasks, am glad they didnt get rid of it completely

[Violet bagel]

I'm so sorry you had such a bad night, Kehawin. Sorry I wasn't on a little earlier to help you out.

Hope all went well with that 5 story cashbot bldg in Dreamland last night, and that you were able to finally wrap up that awful task!

There are always going to be a few bad apples in every barrel. While I too have seen some bad behavior on Test, the level of play and spirit of cooperation seems much, much better compared with the Open server. Hope your luck improves--and feel free to call me for help any time.

Violet B.

[Kehawin]

Originally Posted by Violet bagel

I'm so sorry you had such a bad night, Kehawin. Sorry I wasn't on a little earlier to help you out.

Hope all went well with that 5 story cashbot bldg in Dreamland last night, and that you were able to finally wrap up that awful task!

There are always going to be a few bad apples in every barrel. While I too have seen some bad behavior on Test, the level of play and spirit of cooperation seems much, much better compared with the Open server. Hope your luck improves--and feel free to call me for help any time.

Violet B.

Yes, thank you so much for sending help my way. I really appreciate the toons that did help when I signed back on later last night. I got my second and third cash buildings done by doing level 5s in dreamland with the help of some great toons who gave me a little faith back. And to top it all off, gag choices went smoothly too!

I know a lot of people believe in "farming" and the like, and I admit to having been there. But from lessons I have learned, I believe there is a time and a place for that, and it is NOT when you are in a building with 3 other toons unless those three other toons are VERY close friends and they are working a gag different from what you are and that *can* be worked at the same time (i.e. trap/lure/drop, not trap/sound). I have lost a very dear friend from toontown based on "working gags"... and the perceptions that followed. My last toon on open I finally stopped "working gags" and this test toon I have not done it at all.... and guess what? Epona has just as strong of gags *all around* as if I had actually "worked" them. If you use a well rounded arsenal each time, they will eventually get worked. But oh well, that's slightly off topic, and only my opinion.

Again, thanks to the 6 toons that willingly helped me take on those Dreamland Cash buildings with my puny 40 gags. I owe you big time!

(Now hopefully those two boss level 4 buildings will show up in the Dock...)