Reminder about Buildings

[Melody]

I want to remind test toons that there are only 2 districts and if you wipe out all the buildings there will be none for those toons who's tasks actually require buildings. I have watched the same two toons (who are now at 84 laff) be at the top of the leader board for almost a week now. These two toons also refused to wait for me so I could get gags. My toon needed platform shoes from the Big Cheeses, they were headed into the last 4 story or higher bossbot building *IN THE GAME*. I stated my job and asked them to wait. Their reply was "NO, thank you". They had only two toons, there was no reason not to wait for me expect that they were using the building to train gags. This is not open, there are not 40 districts to choose from, and with the way these toons have been wiping out buildings, there won't be more 4 story buildings for a while. Buildings make buildings! If there are not buildings, there are few cogs on the street, enough cogs, a building forms and more cogs; more cogs, more buildings. Buildings are regenerating very slowly lately!. My cat after searching for Big Cheeses, Legal Eagles, Loan Sharks, etc. was at 45-50 floors 8 hours ago. She is still at 45 floors.

Please do those of us still working on LOM a huge favor and train your gags in the factory. There is no reason for toons above 65 laff to be laying waste to every building they find. Once my toon doesn't need building cogs, you won't find me in the buildings unless I am helping a friend who needs buildings or building cogs.

[Dawggie]

Originally Posted by Melody McBubble

I want to remind test toons that there are only 2 districts and if you wipe out all the buildings there will be none for those toons who's tasks actually require buildings. I have watched the same two toons (who are now at 84 laff) be at the top of the leader board for almost a week now. These two toons also refused to wait for me so I could get gags. My toon needed platform shoes from the Big Cheeses, they were headed into the last 4 story or higher bossbot building *IN THE GAME*. I stated my job and asked them to wait. Their reply was "NO, thank you". They had only two toons, there was no reason not to wait for me expect that they were using the building to train gags. This is not open, there are not 40 districts to choose from, and with the way these toons have been wiping out buildings, there won't be more 4 story buildings for a while. Buildings make buildings! If there are not buildings, there are few cogs on the street, enough cogs, a building forms and more cogs; more cogs, more buildings. Buildings are regenerating very slowly lately!. My cat after searching for Big Cheeses, Legal Eagles, Loan Sharks, etc. was at 45-50 floors 8 hours ago. She is still at 45 floors.

Please do those of us still working on LOM a huge favor and train your gags in the factory. There is no reason for toons above 65 laff to be laying waste to every building they find. Once my toon doesn't need building cogs, you won't find me in the buildings unless I am helping a friend who needs buildings or building cogs.

I couldn't agree with you more. When i was working the LOM2 task, I had to solo most of the 4 story buildings due to the fact that there were no other toons around. However, after my latest toon finished with LOM's 20 4 story buildings last week, I've resorted to the factory for training gags when I have friends on. If not, I will take down some 1, 2 or 3 story buildings to train my drop. But, when I do take down some buildings, I tend to spread them out over the 2 districts and the different playgrounds so as not to deplete a street of all cog buildings. I believe this will aid in the spawning of new (and hopefully) taller buildings.

I recall when I had to wait 3 weeks in TB to finish a task to recover a love letter from legal eagles in TB. There were simply NO Lawbot buildings in TB for that period of time. One day I found a 2 story lawbot building on Sleet and solo'd it. Luckily, the Eagle was the Boss on the 2nd floor and gave up the love letter!!

Prior to that experience, I was guilty of mass building reclaimation as well. The above experience was so humbling to me, that when I did the recovery tasks preceeding the 20 building task, I resorted to farming the recovery items instead of conquering the buildings. This not only worked out to be faster with respect to finishing the task, but also left the building for others that might also need it for their tasks. But, on the other hand, there are many on test that dont understand the concept of farming either and those are the ones that will knock down a 5 story in DDL to get a few recovery items. The knockback on that is that those toons may have a long wait for another like building to spawn in order for them to finish their tasks.

I've noticed that prior to the last wave of new testers, test toons were much more considerate of the needs of other toons and were more willing to wait and work together. However, now that there are more toons on at any given time, it appears that the attitude on Test has changed dramatically. Now, more often than not, asking for help from a non friend will result in a "No" or a no answer. It appears that the once close helpful spirit on Test has now diminished and given way to the selfish "me first" attitude as it is on the Open server.

If I'm not playing with a group (and you happen to see me running around), and u need help, please ask for help. As long as I'm not already comitted to helping others, I will be more than happy to help.

[jokrice]

Thank you for starting this thread. I hope those that are knocking down the buildings read it and recognize it as themselves. Trying to find buildings is becoming a nightmare. I have had the same tasks for weeks now because I can't get the buildings I need. Cogs and buildings in the Brrgh are painful to find

I managed to get in a bldg with these toons on the last tic of the clock. As of 2 days ago they had sound but had not even used it once. Just found that interesting.

[skippysnifflesnooker]

I know the two toons you are speaking of, and they basically stole a 5 st in dreamland from 3 of us, as we were waiting for a 4th toon, (who needed 5 stories) to get gags. I expect that behavior on open, not on test.
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[Deputy Monty]

Originally Posted by Dawggie

I couldn't agree with you more.

I resorted to farming the recovery items instead of conquering the buildings.

Test has now diminished and given way to the selfish "me first" attitude as it is on the Open server.

If I'm not playing with a group (and you happen to see me running around), and u need help, please ask for help. As long as I'm not already comitted to helping others, I will be more than happy to help.

Farming was fairly new to me until I got to test. What a way to preserve the building and still get what you need. I needed icecream from Mr. Hollywood and found one that was willing to give it up on the first floor of a three in DG. I went into that building several times before I finally (with help) took the building down. The last couple of Hollys on the top floor allowed me to finished the task. By saved a lot of time farming the building because I didn't have to keep running around looking for more buildings with Holly's in it. I was by myself and w/o lure, not able to take down big buildings alone so it was a very helpful strategy to learn.

[BunBun]

I ran into those 2 toons while I was in MM, we did a 4 story boss together. They were very nice to me, but then again, maybe they needed me as much as I needed them. Couple of days later though, they stole a building from a friend of mine. A couple of days after that, she got them back and stole their building. He found my friend after and gave her several "You stinks!" which she rightly gave right back to him. Payback is rough aint it!!

[LexieTwinkletoes]

I sure completely agree with this concept too!!

I try to remember that with only two districts, buildings are PRECIOUS!

On rare occasions I have used some one and two story buildings on Elm Street (Daisy's) or Barnacle Blvd (Dock) for training my gags - but I never use more than a two story, and ALWAYS leave at least one building left on the street when I am done. My theory is - not too many toons need buildings on those streets, and by knocking down most of the short ones, a couple larger buildings might arise?

Anyway - I hope that the "building hogs" catch on that they are only hurting themselves. After all - once they have maxed their gags and want to play in VP ... who will want to play with them?

[Violet Purpletoes]

You will never see my name on the leader board again. After completing the 20 4 story bldgs(in one day.. cant believe it either) my time is spent in the factory. I love the concept of FARMING and used it to get the ice cream cones. If you need Mr holly's you can find them in the factory also. No more bldgs for me except to help other toons who need them. I hope those who are not using the proper TEST etitique get the idea that we work together on test or not at all!

[Colt]

Just to be contrary, the purpose of test is to test. Farming is OK, but shouldn’t we be playing on the test server with a similar style as on open? Gather a few toons and knock down some buildings or work the factory, either is a valid style.

Significantly altering your playing style on the test server (vs. open) doesn’t create a “realistic game environment” (whatever that may be). Disney does need to maintain a critical mass of testers (between 60 and 100 at peak times?) and in order to maintain that critical mass; the “personality” of the test server will change.

Oh well. Is this a discussion that occurs when there is a lull in new content? I’d rather be testing pertinent game content than scratching my doodle! Maybe that’s a solution to this issue.

[bigezy]

Originally Posted by Colt

Just to be contrary, the purpose of test is to test. Farming is OK, but shouldn’t we be playing on the test server with a similar style as on open? Gather a few toons and knock down some buildings or work the factory, either is a valid style.

Significantly altering your playing style on the test server (vs. open) doesn’t create a “realistic game environment” (whatever that may be). Disney does need to maintain a critical mass of testers (between 60 and 100 at peak times?) and in order to maintain that critical mass; the “personality” of the test server will change.

Oh well. Is this a discussion that occurs when there is a lull in new content? I’d rather be testing pertinent game content than scratching my doodle! Maybe that’s a solution to this issue.

While I do understand the need to "test" the game, Disney has been told several times that the building generation rate on test is too slow. As Disney does not see a need to change this, we have to change our way of playing, in order for everyone to be able to complete their jobs. I am once again looking for Big Cheeses (Ice Cream now), and despite an invasion and lots of 4+ boss buildings when I left to do dinner. I returned to find not one 4+ story boss building anywhere in the game. I can't look in another district if someone has cleaned out the one I am in, there are no other districts except the two we have. If we clean them out (dreamland again had 0 buildings of anykind), then no one can do their jobs.

If Disney has any hope of maintaining a "critical mass of players" it needs to address the issue of inability to complete tasks. Many will never be big enough to test anything new, if they can't get past LOM.

And, to be perfectly honest, if your style of play is selfish and rude, then yes, you should be changing the way you play. (This is not directed at you, but at those who are behaving in this manner)

Melody McBubble (on husband's account)

Madam McBubble and CatN on test

[Melody_MacMuffin]

You know the same thing works on test that works on open and thats the "Report a bad player" link on the page. If you feel people are being selfish with buildings, report them. And YES you need to finish your tasks to get to a high enough laff to be able to test the next HQ. And it's not easy on test. My Melody MacMuffin on test is still stuck on the same task for months now. I have pretty much givin up. But I have never wasted my time with doodles (except when they were first released on test to test the bugs) and am always willing to help my fellow toons. Helping and kindness is VERY important on test and I have met few mean toons. Well, all this talk about test is making me want to go and play on it for a bit. See you all there!

[edYensid]

Hi everyone, my two open accounts just got added to Test about a month or two ago when the flood gates opened so to speak.

I have been playing on Open since Oct 2003 and I have been playing EQ since Aug 2000. I am so used to 2-boxin now that I cant imagine playing any MMOG without having 2 accounts.

Anyways, back to Toontown. I have 2 maxxed toons on Open, Zippy Crinklegoober (106 brown mouse) and Furball Hucklesticks (105 blue cat). Both without Drop. And Zippy is the only one I VP with, and he is only a Name Dropper 7. I am not comfortable 2-boxin the VP yet.

Now on Test, my two toons are Clancy Crinklegoober (55 brown horse) and Flappy Hucklesticks (55 yellow duck) and they both just finished MM tasks. I am quite familiar with the concept of 'camping' the top floor or the center cilo to work up gags, usually Toon-up. And I only do this when I am by myself (2-boxin) or with secret friend(s) that want to camp as well.

Now the reason for my post other (other than introducing myself) is that I have seen several posts now talking about 'farming' a building. I am not quite sure I get this concept in Toontown. Of course in EQ it is a no brainer, but in Toontown I dont see how you can farm a building without destroying it. Can someone explain this concept to me please? I fully understand the problem with the building shortage on Test and I want to do my part in helping to keep buildings around.

Thanks,
Ed

[LittleLemonPop]

Are you guys talking about those two blue horses (gold stars, twins, one girl one boy)? They were nice to me a while back. And I have noticed all they ever do is buildings 24/7... They havent stole any buildings for me yet... Although now I dont even need buildings

One time I had a loan shark and robber barron task. There was no cashbot buildings in any district... I couldnt believe it... (maybe 2 stories)... Took me a while but I finnaly finished the task like a week later I think it was. But thanks to my sf's for keeping a look out

I think the attitude on test is a whole lot better than on open. People are VERY nice and will help just about anyone. Acasionaly you might get one or two bad apples, but heck how many of those are in open? More than you'd like... test is a great place to play, even though it lacks some things...

[BunBun]

Originally Posted by edYensid

Now the reason for my post other (other than introducing myself) is that I have seen several posts now talking about 'farming' a building. I am not quite sure I get this concept in Toontown. Of course in EQ it is a no brainer, but in Toontown I dont see how you can farm a building without destroying it. Can someone explain this concept to me please? I fully understand the problem with the building shortage on Test and I want to do my part in helping to keep buildings around.

Thanks,
Ed

What they are referring to is when you are required to collect items from cogs, such as the ice cream cones or powder, or sprokets etc. I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but it is not necessary to actually complete the building in order to collect and keep the item. Lets say for example that you need wig powder from a robber baron. Well, in DDL, barons can be found on any floor, so lets say that you find one on the first floor. After you have destroyed the cog(s) on that floor, and after you've finished dancing, check your task, either in your book, or by hitting the end key or by searching for it in the speedchat. If you've collected the item, you can go back to the playgroun and not lose the wig powder. If you havent, then go on to the next floor and repeat. If after the 4th floor (i'll assume its a 5 story), you still havent found it, go back to the playground, get more gags and find the same building and start over. It is possible to get the desired item the second time around. And since the inhabitants of the building doesnt change, you are guaranteed to find the exact same cogs again. Lets say on the second attempt in the building you are successful in collecting your item. Leave the building and go back to the playground, thus leaving the building for someone else to collect a similar item from high level cogs.

I had a situation where I needed to collect an item and I needed to destroy big wigs as well (or something to that effect). Well, big wigs are only found in buildings. After the 3rd floor I had a friend tell me that she needed to collect from big wigs. I, along with my friends, went back to the playground, I called my friend over, and we did the building again, and she collected too! But because I needed the big wigs, this time we took over the building and didnt leave it.

I hope that helps.

[LittleLemonPop]

Originally Posted by Miss Cricket McQuack

What they are referring to is when you are required to collect items from cogs, such as the ice cream cones or powder, or sprokets etc. I'm not sure if you are aware of this, but it is not necessary to actually complete the building in order to collect and keep the item. Lets say for example that you need wig powder from a robber baron. Well, in DDL, barons can be found on any floor, so lets say that you find one on the first floor. After you have destroyed the cog(s) on that floor, and after you've finished dancing, check your task, either in your book, or by hitting the end key or by searching for it in the speedchat. If you've collected the item, you can go back to the playgroun and not lose the wig powder. If you havent, then go on to the next floor and repeat. If after the 4th floor (i'll assume its a 5 story), you still havent found it, go back to the playground, get more gags and find the same building and start over. It is possible to get the desired item the second time around. And since the inhabitants of the building doesnt change, you are guaranteed to find the exact same cogs again. Lets say on the second attempt in the building you are successful in collecting your item. Leave the building and go back to the playground, thus leaving the building for someone else to collect a similar item from high level cogs.

I had a situation where I needed to collect an item and I needed to destroy big wigs as well (or something to that effect). Well, big wigs are only found in buildings. After the 3rd floor I had a friend tell me that she needed to collect from big wigs. I, along with my friends, went back to the playground, I called my friend over, and we did the building again, and she collected too! But because I needed the big wigs, this time we took over the building and didnt leave it.

I hope that helps.

Uh... Im pretty sure if you leave the building you do loose the item.... Have you tested this, and does it work? If so..... I could have saved a bunch of time! lol... Although you dont get gag exp