Naughty Toon list

[Dippy Orville Funnyfoot]

I think this site should bring back the naughty toons list. There needs to be a way to warn other toons of rude, reckless, or hurtful toons. The people behind these naughty toons need to learn their lesson. They need publicity for the trouble they cause. That way if the naughty toon is reported and all their friends leave him/her they might think about how their actions affect other people.

[CBD]

That was stopped because there was no way for anyone to hear the other side of the story, and anyone could come here and make up stories about Little Billy Toon because they were mad at him.

[Aeronot]

And also, that would sorta be flaming, I guess...

[CBD]

Originally Posted by Rayman

And also, that would sorta be flaming, I guess...

Erm, I kinda posted the reason why...

[James Bond 007]

If there was i'd put Evil Kid Bugs up there.

[T.Z]

someone would probably put me there i am the number one most hated doodle hater

[Master Peppy Sniffleglop]

well ya gotta look up don't ya

[Dippy Orville Funnyfoot]

flaming? Isn't that what I and tons of other people have to go through just to play tt? Its an outrage and im going to see that measures are taken to help protect everyone, (especially the younger generation) and help make tt what tt ought to be. Of course it will never be free of naughty toons but we need to work together to remedy this situtation because it's only going to get worse.

[Queen Fluffy Giggletoes]

Gee, what a coincidence! I came to post this letter:
Today while I was playing my 11 year old granddaughter sent me a sad face. She never does this. So I went to her. There was a toon there yelling at her and they had just come out of a building in Dock. She told me that he was really mean. I asked what happened and she said he waited till she was in building with him (its her third toon 54 laff and he was a 74) and started yelling "Please go away"! But she was already in and needed it. At first she thought he was being funny. Well after three floors of "You stink" "hee hee" and killing all her hits, he reduced her to tears! Then continued outside the building in front of me! This is not the first time this has happened, we all know one toon famous for terrorizing toons! I am furious with the people that will say
1) you weren't there so you dont know
answer: The grandkids play at my house since I have four accounts and four computers. They are not allowed to use "you stink" "Please go away" etc. And truthfully, I doubt they would anyway. They are caring children that treat others with respect and help even the little toons.
2) They dont know how to play and upset the toon.
answer:Both granddaughters have grown two maxxed toons by themselves! They never turn down helping someone, no matter what their laff is. I taught them to play. They play better than most adults.
3) Maybe they are just overly sensitive!
answer: Oh like there is such a thing! In this day and age it is sad we think there is something wrong with nice people. Give me a break! If you yell "You Stink" to me, it does hurt. No one likes to be treated badly.

As far as I am concerned, it is abusive behavior! And it should not be tollerated! Dont tell me you cant prove it...you can take pictures! I think if there was a way to monitor a toon and if too many of the same complaints come in, well, deal with it.

But as I called on one that tormented my granddaughters (while I watched) then two months later jumps in with me and another toon and repeats it, I found out that there is nothing they will do. Nothing!!!
If I sound bitter, I am.
I don't like paying $320 a year for a Disney game for children and have to explain to my granddkids that there are bad people in the world and that we just have to try and not let it bother us. You dry their tears! It breaks my heart!
I find that offensive!
I find it unforgivable!
And I think the people at Toontown responsible for monitoring "Stink"
Oh I hope that doesn't offend you! You are just being too sensitive!!!!
Grandma Fluffy Giggletoes

[Dippy Orville Funnyfoot]

Well put! and thats what im talking about every time i hear a story like this it tears at my heart.....it makes me want to cry.

[-rcv-]

Although it might sound like a good idea to list nasty toons here, there are several reasons why it just isn't a great idea.

On the other hand, if someone is doing something that warrants it, you should report it to Disney. They have the resources to check out the situation. I know they used to have logs of everything said in the game, I assume that is still true.

Furthermore, Disney is the only one that can take real action to correct the situation. The best that we could do here is say "Don't play with that Toon", which probably only a handful of players would pay any attention to.

This site is such a great resource for finding like-minded Toons. that's what it's best at, and there are always plenty of great Toons ready to join up with you. That's why so may folks here think that 50 is too small a limit for their Friends list.

-rcv-
Kid Bugs

[Bubbles]

To add to what -rcv- said, it also so easy to make a "twin" toon. There's a post around here somewhere that showed a twin of "our" Loosy Goosy. Now, what if this toon was a troublemaker and someone said, don't play with Loosy Goosy! Which one would they mean? Sure, you can say, "they have 50 laff", which ours doesn't, but the other one isn't going to stay at 50 forever. Clothing is also easily changed.

A few years back we also had a "Crazy Crazy" phase. There were a ton of orange ducks, wearing orange shirts and shorts with the name Crazy Crazy - available through the name-a-toon options. They were all low laff, now which one do you mean when you say "They stink!"?

*I hope you don't mind me using you as an example Loosy.

[Bunny Summers]

Originally Posted by Bubbles

To add to what -rcv- said, it also so easy to make a "twin" toon. There's a post around here somewhere that showed a twin of "our" Loosy Goosy. Now, what if this toon was a troublemaker and someone said, don't play with Loosy Goosy! Which one would they mean? Sure, you can say, "they have 50 laff", which ours doesn't, but the other one isn't going to stay at 50 forever. Clothing is also easily changed.

A few years back we also had a "Crazy Crazy" phase. There were a ton of orange ducks, wearing orange shirts and shorts with the name Crazy Crazy - available through the name-a-toon options. They were all low laff, now which one do you mean when you say "They stink!"?

*I hope you don't mind me using you as an example Loosy.

There have been numerous examples of this happening. To use me as an example, there was a post about Bunny Summers saying "You stink!" over and over. The only time I'd ever use the phrase is to a cog, personally. There have been SEVERAL people make "fake" Bunny Summers with the expressed desire to mimick and cause trouble. Now this toon in question that Queen was talking about: Suppose there just HAPPENED to be another toon like theirs and you go and put up a nasty post ranting about this toon? Some other kid who just wants to play, sort of like your grandkids, is walking along and someone, because of the "warning" you gave out with the best of intentions and they start a "You stink!" fight with them?!

Personally, I choose to base my reactions on the actions of that toon while I'm playing with them rather than a post someone made while they were likely still fuming and likely one-sided. We don't know what started this reaction. We don't know if the other person was wronged in some way while playing another toon. We don't know if he/she or his/her friend was wronged and this toon is just taking it out on her (not that it's WARRANTED to do that), but we just don't know the motives or reasons why someone does what they do and without the other side's input, we're just going to let people rant on and on and let other people jump on the bandwagon, too? Sounds like a village lynching doesn't it? Of course, we realize that not all toons there will be a good reason or even a reason at all. Of course, we realize that there will be true greifers out there who are more than likely just bored, but often times (and we've seen many many examples of this on this board) they are just misunderstandings or scenarios that just didn't go the way of the poster and they got angry or frustrated and felt the need to post about this "rude toon".

As -rcv- put, if it makes you THAT mad or upsets you that much, then report it. Nobody on this site can do anything about it unless it happens on this site.

[Queen Fluffy Giggletoes]

First I don't endorse this site to do anything to deal with bad behavior. We need a different place.

Second, I don't follow your trail of thinking. "Don't post because it might start a "You Stink" fight"? HUH? I was under the impression that you didn't think that was bad behavior, just a toon having a bad day! So how bad is that? LOL

Plus I think those of us offened by bad behavior have an IQ high enough to state the problem without flaming! I doubt we would be abusive trying to correct the abuse! Can't speak for everyone, but those that I have talked to about it have been very factual and rather respectful of how the report the incident to me, and me to them. I really think that was not a valid reason to not do it.

I think you all totally missed the point big time. "YOU STINK" shouldn't even be a phrase, but that is not what people are mad about. It is all that goes with it. These are maxxed toons mostly, at least almost and picking on mid range toons. If you use water, they use a maxxed pie, if you use pie, they use a maxxed horn. When your friend needs a toon up, they carry lips to heal before you. If you don't heal, they let your friend go sad. And each time you get "ha ha ha ha" and "You Stink" "Please go away" "I don't care" "what ever". Try a four story with that! You say so just leave, well I couldnt. I was a maxxed toon, but the poor little thing I was helping was a 39. I couldn't leave him in there and he really needed the building. It was just a toon I found in front of a building needing help. The mean to came from who knows where. Jumped in at last minute. But that toon I run into at least once a month and go thru same thing. I just turn my sound down, but I sure feel sorry for the other toons that have to experience it. The smaller toons come out of a four story with less that 20 pts.

And the easy way out....duh would be to remove "You Stink" from the list! Oh let's not simplify this! That's just too darn easy! We all know how important that phrase is! Omg I have never used it even against cogs!

rvc says to report it to Disney. Save your time and breath! Been there done that. Had a really nice phone conversaiton though. They are not interested in fixing the problem. It just isn't a priority! If you read the new agreement, they took out the part about reporting bad behavior. Now they just want to you ditch the toon soon as possible. Yep, let's make excuses why they are so mean and for heavens sake, just let them go about their business. The rest of us should just grin and bear it.

I just dont buy into that theory, sorry. This is not having a bad day, this is just being abusive. I can handle it, my grandchildren on the other hand are terribly hurt by it. So in Feb. I get to let three of my four acconts expire because the parents think Toontown is not a good site for their children. I will miss my grandkids in here, but I wont miss drying their tears and explaining how some people of the world are just mean and abusive. Oh well, that's life nowadays, how I long for the good old days, when neighbors helped neighbors! But I will stay and help all those I can have a good day in ToonTown.

[Bunny Summers]

Originally Posted by Queen Fluffy Giggletoes

First I don't endorse this site to do anything to deal with bad behavior. We need a different place.

Well, if you want a different site, I can’t stop anyone from making it, nor do I intend to try to stop anyone. But we here cannot do anything about these greifers and personally, I would rather base my opinion on my own experiences rather than an experience anyone else has had. I’ve been surprised to find friends of my own victims of the “name game”. Come to find out, it was just a misunderstanding.

Originally Posted by Queen Fluffy Giggletoes

Second, I don't follow your trail of thinking. "Don't post because it might start a "You Stink" fight"? HUH? I was under the impression that you didn't think that was bad behavior, just a toon having a bad day! So how bad is that? LOL

Often times, these post start out with a person trying to vent their frustrations, usually because of a misunderstanding or a situation where it just didn’t work out the way they wanted (didn’t get to use a specific gag or wanted to kill “this” type of cog, etc.) So this toon is labeled a “bad toon” because of what? He/she wanted to use sound instead of the poster, who wanted to use throw? So we have the choice: allow all or none. It’s too difficult to judge, being a 3rd party, which toons are truly greifers and which toons just have a problem communicating effectively what they want to do/ what they need. It’s not because we’re trying to protect the greifers. Most people KNOW already who the repeat offenders are, like this blue horse that wreaks havock on the VP. Usually, after these types of posts are made though, the damage is done. You’ve got several kids saying things like “Let’s go out and find him!” or “If I see him, I’ll….”

Originally Posted by Queen Fluffy Giggletoes

Plus I think those of us offended by bad behavior have an IQ high enough to state the problem without flaming! I doubt we would be abusive trying to correct the abuse! Can't speak for everyone, but those that I have talked to about it have been very factual and rather respectful of how the report the incident to me, and me to them. I really think that was not a valid reason to not do it.

Since when do anger and IQ go hand in hand? LOL. I mean honestly, when you’re angry you say or do things that you wouldn’t necessarily do if you weren’t. I know I have. I’ve seen TOO many of these posts get out of hand REAL quick, especially when that supposed “greifer” IS on this site to defend themselves. Obviously, you haven’t been privy to the posts BEFORE we made this rule. LOL. And a lot of these posts are kids. Kids are impetuous sometimes, not thinking about their reactions and statements before they make them. If it were JUST adults, then maybe I could see allowing it, but then again, adults use stronger language sometimes when they’re mad. But this is a family site so we try to keep the topic of conversation lighter.

Originally Posted by Queen Fluffy Giggletoes

I think you all totally missed the point big time. "YOU STINK" shouldn't even be a phrase, but that is not what people are mad about. It is all that goes with it. These are maxxed toons mostly, at least almost and picking on mid range toons. If you use water, they use a maxxed pie, if you use pie, they use a maxxed horn. When your friend needs a toon up, they carry lips to heal before you. If you don't heal, they let your friend go sad. And each time you get "ha ha ha ha" and "You Stink" "Please go away" "I don't care" "what ever". Try a four story with that! You say so just leave, well I couldnt. I was a maxxed toon, but the poor little thing I was helping was a 39. I couldn't leave him in there and he really needed the building. It was just a toon I found in front of a building needing help. The mean to came from who knows where. Jumped in at last minute. But that toon I run into at least once a month and go thru same thing. I just turn my sound down, but I sure feel sorry for the other toons that have to experience it. The smaller toons come out of a four story with less that 20 pts.

Whether or not “You Stink!” should or shouldn’t be a phrase is moot. I have nothing to do with it as much as you do. Honestly, if I was in a building with the offending toon, I’d make friends with the other toon, whisper “Let’s go back to the playground.” “Follow me”. And be done with it. I certainly wouldn’t go BACK in with him/her and I certainly wouldn’t stay. But that’s just me.

Originally Posted by Queen Fluffy Giggletoes

And the easy way out....duh would be to remove "You Stink" from the list! Oh let's not simplify this! That's just too darn easy! We all know how important that phrase is! Omg I have never used it even against cogs!

Originally Posted by Queen Fluffy Giggletoes

rvc says to report it to Disney. Save your time and breath! Been there done that. Had a really nice phone conversaiton though. They are not interested in fixing the problem. It just isn't a priority! If you read the new agreement, they took out the part about reporting bad behavior. Now they just want to you ditch the toon soon as possible. Yep, let's make excuses why they are so mean and for heavens sake, just let them go about their business. The rest of us should just grin and bear it.

All this has to do with Disney, not the issue at hand. But honestly, I have no problem just ditching the offending toons. In fact, I won’t stay in a building with someone who’s annoying. I’d more than likely do what I suggested above. If I was helping someone, then I’d still suggest “let’s go!” and ditch the offending toon. I have NO problem whatsoever with that suggestion. I do however, think Disney SHOULD do something about the situation. But as most disciplinary situations go, they usually won’t tell you if they did something, so you quite possibly don’t know if they did anything or not unless they flat out told you that they wouldn’t. I mean, they could have a warning system like we do and if they get X # many reports, they will be banned. My suggestion is keep ON reporting him/her if he/she is a repeat offender. If you see him/her again, get a friend of yours to come along and he/she can also verify what was going on.

Originally Posted by Queen Fluffy Giggletoes

I just dont buy into that theory, sorry. This is not having a bad day, this is just being abusive. I can handle it, my grandchildren on the other hand are terribly hurt by it. So in Feb. I get to let three of my four acconts expire because the parents think Toontown is not a good site for their children. I will miss my grandkids in here, but I wont miss drying their tears and explaining how some people of the world are just mean and abusive. Oh well, that's life nowadays, how I long for the good old days, when neighbors helped neighbors! But I will stay and help all those I can have a good day in ToonTown.

I never said YOUR greifer toon was just having a “bad day”. I said most of these reports ARE just a toon having a bad day or just miscommunication or just a different playing style. I have no doubt that you had a greifer. I am truly sorry that your grandkids have had these bad experiences but I don't see how posting about it will keep it from happening again, will make the person go away, and warning them about a toon that they will likely never come in contact with and likely never remember their name even when they did and even worse, may mistake another toon for that toon, causing him/her grief (especially with the commonness of some names)...I don't see the positive in it and I although it wouldn't bother me one iota if you labeled ALL the people on this forum, including me, as a "bad toon", it does bother some and it is unjustified sometimes. So we run into the problem: Do we allow some of them? Do we, as moderators, get to decide which ones are founded and unfounded cases of "bad toons"? Do we allow all and just throw our hands up in the air and say "Who cares who gets hurt in these cases?! If people want a "bad toons" list they get to be their own judge and jury. So what if a young kid gets badgered and belittled? So what if a toon gets labeled a "bad toon" for having a bad day or miscommunicating his/her intentions?" (we all know how specific speedchat is in relaying what you need and want, right?) If we don't allow some, then we run into the problem of having to use our judgment and having our judgment scrutinized, not to mention how much TIME and EFFORT it would actually take in lookin into these matters...This is why we don't allow naming names of "naughty toons". Again, if you or anyone else wants to undertake such a task of making a site specifically for what you call "naughty toons" then nobody's stopping you. Good luck!