Worst fact ever! (Rant)

[Emi]

Me and my friend were doing factories, we both needed 5500 and we got in with what we thought was a good group. the first 2 battles went ok but at the part when you turn around and go to the other side of the hall, one of the toons, a yellow cat, kept going the short way! Me, my friend and the other toon went back the other way and did all the battles on the other side of the factory but when we got back to the big goonie room, he had defeated the battle in there, and both silos. we were coming across the silos he went into the supervisors and tried to make us go back to the playground but using a wedding cake but luckily it missed. we went in, stalled the other toon, and got him to go sad. We finished and only got 268 merits!!!!!! Who thinks that these grifers are out of control? Now me and my friend have to do another factory!

[Peanut0320]

I agree. Greifers are always out of control. I am sorry they ruined your experience. I really hate it when people want to go the short way. However, if it wasn't for the cake missing, you would of wasted the whole factory. I have learned this the hard way many times, and now I now usually go in with friends, or sometimes go in with randoms. You always run a risk dealing with griefers.

~Peanut~

[pinklmnd3]

you and your friend should do the factories together (ONLY you two), so you can do it the way you want.

[Captain Hector Megaphooey]

Originally Posted by pinklmnd3

you and your friend should do the factories together (ONLY you two), so you can do it the way you want.

I agree - what I've started doing if there are others there and we want to go alone is when we come in to the elevator area, one of us splits off and goes to the side elevator. If there is no one there, I call my friend to teleport over and we go. If toons follow me to the side (which they often do), my friend is at the other elevator, and I teleport over.

I don't like being sneaky, but sometimes it's just too hard going with toons who don't know why you'd like to wait for an invasion before battling the supervisor. Not that I blame them: unless I had found toontooncentral, I'd have NO IDEA about any of this stuff!

I have found that most toons don't seem to mind if I want to go the long way, but yeah, there are those out there who love to ruin it for everyone.

[Doctor Oswald Superzapper]

Originally Posted by Captain Hector Megaphooey

Not that I blame them: unless I had found toontooncentral, I'd have NO IDEA about any of this stuff!

Which is why I sometimes just go along with whatever happens. You've got to remember that a lot of the toons on Toontown are younger players who don't know the inner workings of the game. I do get mad at these toons when I'm trying to give them helpful advice but I generally hold it in. Going with SF's/Regular Friends helps though. I try to find some friends on a CCG Run or here on the "Secret Swapping" forum. That way you know they are on the same level as you with Toontown.

On the other hand, I wouldn't really call these toons griefers. Did you ever say "This way." "Let's say together." at the door? If you did and they came back with some smart remark that would make them griefers. Otherwise they were just misinformed. I'm sure they didn't mean to do what they did, they just didn't know.

[coolister]

I always do solo fac. Never lost.

[Captain Hector Megaphooey]

Originally Posted by Doctor Oswald Superzapper

On the other hand, I wouldn't really call these toons griefers. Did you ever say "This way." "Let's say together." at the door? If you did and they cam back with some smart remark that would make them griefers. Otherwise they were just misinformed. I'm sure they didn't mean to do what they did, they just didn't know.

That's a good point. I'd be a bit suspicious if a toon was able to go through the factory alone, but it's not THAT hard, so maybe that toon just was lost or didn't understand. I got separated from the group in the factory a couple times early on.

I always do solo fac. Never lost.

That's good, too. I have done lots of solos. But having at least one friend with me makes it go a lot faster - we can use sound a lot more.

[Mr Daddy Mouse]

This sounds like fertile ground for deep misunderstandings to take root in.

My wife and I have come back to TT after a fairly long absence (and, no cracks about how *wrong* it is for adults to play TT, OK?).

We ALWAYS used to run the complete factory, and had it down to a formula; but, then again, we ran with similarly motivated adults, and wound-up fairly quickly as 107+, HW, Laffers. That's all well and good, and we frequently did the factory between the two of us, as well as solo; and, when we took Low-Laffers in with us, we MADE SURE they could make it through the Long Run and come out at full laffs (usually). That involved a lot of "Follow me!"s and "This way!"s, and chasing toons down to make certain that they understood the game plan. The alternative was going with them; or running it long, hearing them go sad a few minutes later...making the Long Run seemed so obvious to us, then; but we took the short run a lot to keep the low laffers from going sad in there, and re-ran the factory later.

That's when you had to re-suit and re-merit after every VP run; so, "double-jeopardy" became a way of life, so to speak, for factory runs; and you really wanted to make every trip-in count.

Nowdays, you keep your suit and make merits on almost anything; so there's just not the pressure to make every Factory run by hitting every single cog in there.

Aside from that, we're raising a new batch of toons; as well as already familiar with the factory layout and all the tasks needed to get back up above 100 Laffs. But, we've been doing regular factory runs since around 30-something LP. We take the short run an awful lot, in bringing our kids' toons, or our own low-laffer toons through the factory. That *is* a fast-track strategy that has it's place in the scheme of things, particularly when either of us wants some fast merits or has a SB task to wipe out.

However...while we don't impose our strategy on others...other toons--especially younger kids--may not be seeing things the way you (or we) see them; and can end-up taking the short route through the factory, not really realizing what you're up to--giving you the impression that they are griefing you, when that isn't their true intent.

In cases like that, your actions could be perceived as unjustified griefing of them--particularly, given the specific outcome you mentioned.

Remember that every coin has two sides.

If we are on a Long Run, and somebody else is insistent on taking the Short Run, we'll go with the Short Run, get out, re-gag, and go through the Factory again.

In reality, it's not *that* much hassle...is it?

...and you end up with more merits for the time and gags you used, I'd wager.

[sk8indel1994]

Originally Posted by Emi

Me and my friend were doing factories, we both needed 5500 and we got in with what we thought was a good group. the first 2 battles went ok but at the part when you turn around and go to the other side of the hall, one of the toons, a yellow cat, kept going the short way! Me, my friend and the other toon went back the other way and did all the battles on the other side of the factory but when we got back to the big goonie room, he had defeated the battle in there, and both silos. we were coming across the silos he went into the supervisors and tried to make us go back to the playground but using a wedding cake but luckily it missed. we went in, stalled the other toon, and got him to go sad. We finished and only got 268 merits!!!!!! Who thinks that these grifers are out of control? Now me and my friend have to do another factory!

Hi! It's Periwinkle Cat here. Do you still need merits? I do. ttyl
~Peri

[Gabbana]

Well....

If you had enough sound to get through the whole factory without restocking in the lava room, then you should've just followed the other toon. In all honesty, it takes just as much time to do two short runs as it does to do a full run..but you get more merits doing two short runs.

When i work on my 5500, i ask a friend to help me. We bring about 4 aoogahs, 7 eles, and 3 fogs each. We go to the side entrance and kill those cogs, then head up to the boiler room (the room after the lava room) and from there head up to the warehouse and onto the silos. On the silos, we take turns using a fog. It takes a fog and an aoogah to kill the cogs on the west and east silo. If we alternate using fogs, we can do TWO runs without having to teleport back to the playground to get more gags. It literally takes no more than 5 minutes to finish that way (Doing the half factory), and we end up with almost 500 merits. (With Invasion, of course).

[KennyC13]

what if they didn't need the merits...they prob need only a few...and they don't want to waste their time running around killing all the cogs in the factory...

[EJC]

You might as well go by yourself and with your friend. That way it keeps going smoothly.

[Tromos]

Originally Posted by Gabbana

Well....

If you had enough sound to get through the whole factory without restocking in the lava room, then you should've just followed the other toon. In all honesty, it takes just as much time to do two short runs as it does to do a full run..but you get more merits doing two short runs.

When i work on my 5500, i ask a friend to help me. We bring about 4 aoogahs, 7 eles, and 3 fogs each. We go to the side entrance and kill those cogs, then head up to the boiler room (the room after the lava room) and from there head up to the warehouse and onto the silos. On the silos, we take turns using a fog. It takes a fog and an aoogah to kill the cogs on the west and east silo. If we alternate using fogs, we can do TWO runs without having to teleport back to the playground to get more gags. It literally takes no more than 5 minutes to finish that way (Doing the half factory), and we end up with almost 500 merits. (With Invasion, of course).

*blink*

That's brilliant! Why didn't I think of that?!

Of course, I'm soundless so it will take a little more time (and thought ), but even with a Gag Shop visit in between, that's a lot less hassle than trying to do the whole place, having to stop in the Lava and Paint Mixer rooms, in one shot.

You're my hero now

[Thing One]

Yeah, I'd just go alone or with someone you know. I never do factories with random people any more. Not worth it. Also this person may have just been some kid who wasn't aware of what was going on and was worried b/c they felt you guys ditched him. But it seems not as they had the coordination to get through a few battles alone and they were playing a high level toon. So yeah that does stink when that happens. But at least you got a little lucky and his wedding cake missed!

[Benfrriend]

I don't have this problem, most the time since I'm soundless(i know i say this alot) i just get griefed at first batlle or at elevator.

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Like today i was gonna go do a CGC while i was reading threads on ttc, i was being griefed. But when i went on w/ greifers they got super griefer on me and i said "good for you" Xd