V.P. Lobby

[Master Knuckles Thunderzapper]

I cannot take this anymore, no matter where i go, no matter what i do, I cannot V.P. Low-Level Laffers, you have as much right to sell hq as us high laffers (I am a lvl 104), but when it comes to the point where there is no way you can V.P without 15 cold callers in the lobby, it get ridiculous. This needs to end, and soon, so many people want to V.P but cant! Please, Please! wait till you are a higher level! The V.P is not that easy, the first wave is easy but when it comes to the skelecogs, ive lost 111+'s. The madness needs to end.

[Captain Von Fizzledorf]

Originally Posted by Master Knuckles Thunderzapper

I cannot take this anymore, no matter where i go, no matter what i do, I cannot V.P. Low-Level Laffers, you have as much right to sell hq as us high laffers (I am a lvl 104), but when it comes to the point where there is no way you can V.P without 15 cold callers in the lobby, it get ridiculous. This needs to end, and soon, so many people want to V.P but cant! Please, Please! wait till you are a higher level! The V.P is not that easy, the first wave is easy but when it comes to the skelecogs, ive lost 111+'s. The madness needs to end.

In regards to the parts I highlighted with bold type when you refer to the Cold Callers and then say please wait until you are a higher level do you mean that Cold Callers should wait until their toon has more laff/better gags? Because the way you word it it sounds like you think Cold Callers should wait until they're like Name Droppers or something. A Cold Caller is obviously not going to progress up to better suits unless they actually get to fight the VP. I'm sure you know this and are just frustrated but hey they gotta learn somehow.

The CCG VP's three times a day and I almost never have a problem with a CCG run, especially if you wait for some of the anxious Cold Callers to finish loading. They're usually so exited they load up early leaving the later elevator loads with more experienced toons.

[Master Knuckles Thunderzapper]

I mean no dis-regard to the Cold Callers Guild, and to what i mean by a higher level i mean laff, The V.P. Isnt easy you can die quick, im a 6 Two-Face i know. The over-crowd of low-level toons in sell is just insane, and how many crowd the lobby is madness.

[Top Purr]

I actually am not impressed by this.


I don't understand why you can't VP with a 15, That means most are uper..


Im a Level 1 Telemarketer, and I've had no problem.

A experianced group of 40-50 laffers can VP.

Its just you guys don't realize that we get all the little things you need.

Its selfish. Especially when YOU guys will not board unless theres 3+ HWs.

Knowing the others, they refuse to board w/o a HW.

Putting an end is not the answer, making groups is the answer.


15-40= Max level 9.

41-60= Max 11.

61 - 80= Max 12.

81-132= Max 12, but multiple.

[way21337]

CCG. Go with them.

[Poodleberry]

Now I think you guys have forgotten just how difficult it is to get on an elevator when you are Cold Caller and running random! I can remember it all too well and I didn't find out about the CCG until I was a Mingler so believe me, I learned the hard way!! Now I'm a Holly50 and I'll go in with just about anybody and I just love helping Cold Callers dance for the first time which is why I joined the CCG. I still run lots of randoms though and always enjoy a mixed laff elevator to one full of big suits.

Small laffers are not always inexperienced - ubers are terrific fun to fight with and the challenge of keeping them alive makes my heart race like a steam train sometimes - phew! Ubers may be small but most of them are lean, mean fighting machines - look at Silk Purse - she maxxed her 19 laff pig just a few days ago - how cool is that!

We all have to start somewhere and every little offer of help when you are a Cold Colder is - believe me - greatly appreciated.

Lets have no more talk about groups and laff restrictions - lets be a little less selfish and a little more helpful - I don't think you have run with the CCG else you wouldn't have posted this nonsense. Try them out - they don't offer any guarantees but most I know would rather go sad than let a small suit die - even Two Faces!

[fermat]

I also enjoy going with the lower-laff people. It makes the fights much more interesting!

Still, one has to be careful when getting in the elevator. Too many lower-laffers and you might be saying goodbye to your level 7's. Some are also inexperienced and this can make the battles worse. (I was in with a 33 laff toon who insisted on using a level 1 sound to wake up 4 lured level 10's. We started waving goodbye to him as soon as he did, and sure enough he got sad immediately.)

What I find most tricky sometimes is being able to see how many people are actually in the elevator with you. The HW's often stand to block the view, and people so often get off/on the elevator it is hard to know if you have a full load or not. Going with low-laffers is a lot harder if you have 1 or 2 less of them during the battles! So PLEASE, if you are an HW, if you are going to be bad about getting on the elevator, you could at least stand to the side. Thanks.

[Sir Stinky Superstink]

Originally Posted by Poodleberry

Now I think you guys have forgotten just how difficult it is to get on an elevator when you are Cold Caller and running random! I can remember it all too well and I didn't find out about the CCG until I was a Mingler so believe me, I learned the hard way!! Now I'm a Holly50 and I'll go in with just about anybody and I just love helping Cold Callers dance for the first time which is why I joined the CCG. I still run lots of randoms though and always enjoy a mixed laff elevator to one full of big suits.

Small laffers are not always inexperienced - ubers are terrific fun to fight with and the challenge of keeping them alive makes my heart race like a steam train sometimes - phew! Ubers may be small but most of them are lean, mean fighting machines - look at Silk Purse - she maxxed her 19 laff pig just a few days ago - how cool is that!

We all have to start somewhere and every little offer of help when you are a Cold Colder is - believe me - greatly appreciated.

Lets have no more talk about groups and laff restrictions - lets be a little less selfish and a little more helpful - I don't think you have run with the CCG else you wouldn't have posted this nonsense. Try them out - they don't offer any guarantees but most I know would rather go sad than let a small suit die - even Two Faces!

Well worded indeed. I found the CCG due to problems my six year old son was having getting on the elevator. I remember being a cold caller level 1 and how hard it was as all seemed to thumb thier nose at the prospect. The CCG has been amazing for my son, daughter and me. We are now making Cashbot runs with the CCG and the experience and people are wonderful.

I still fight the Veep outside of the CCG, but I never complian, I always stay the course, and I don't make angry sounds when a Level 1 makes a poor gag selection. Have some patience, remember what it was like in the beginning, and be a good citizen of Toontown always...

[fwp320]

I have been on a ccg revenge run where we had 3 15's and a 19 during the cog fight on one side, and we all made it to the pie round. I know its been said a thousand times but experience is worth more than lp sometimes. I have a 15 lp Mover & Shaker, (who some people think Im crazy) I'll run with randoms in River. I still get the riskys and the "Please go away" from Cold Callers and Telemarketers with higher lp's and lower gags lol. I'll take my Lom cards over a $5 bill any day. Anyway, I have 2 Holly 50's who I will go on an elevator with all Cold Callers even if the elevator isn't full, but I will tell you the uber is the most fun. Besides what do we have to lose some gags that are easily replaced with a little time, It's only a game One day hopefully you will look back at this and laugh.

[Poodleberry]

Originally Posted by Sir Stinky Superstink

Well worded indeed. I found the CCG due to problems my six year old son was having getting on the elevator. I remember being a cold caller level 1 and how hard it was as all seemed to thumb thier nose at the prospect. The CCG has been amazing for my son, daughter and me. We are now making Cashbot runs with the CCG and the experience and people are wonderful.

I still fight the Veep outside of the CCG, but I never complian, I always stay the course, and I don't make angry sounds when a Level 1 makes a poor gag selection. Have some patience, remember what it was like in the beginning, and be a good citizen of Toontown always...

Hee hee - my 6yo daughter hasn't even got beyond the fascination of making a new toon every other day! But I've introduced the CCG to both -my 14yo daughter and hubby and they are getting along famously! I personally love running with both - CCG or random - both have their own challenges.

[Megawoof]

i bet people think i'am a noob because i'am a lvel 2 cold caller but a 108 laffer!So they just infer i'am a noob.Antway it is very hard to go in the V.P without low laffers without expirence.

[Captain Lefty Dynoglop]

I share that OP's opinion...to an extent. Yes, I get agitated too when I see Cold Callers crowding around the elevator or the Hollywoods. However, I do not automatically dismiss them as inexperienced. Likewise, I do not see a Two-face to Hollywood and immediately think they are experts.
I try to check all the gags of the toons in the lobby, no matter how many there are. I try to avoid the toons that have less than 50 laff WITH Level 5 and under gags, or even higher laffers with those.

These statements are, again, part of my experience. I get a little sick and tired of "Please be my Friend"s, "Let's go on the elevator"s, and "Hurry up!"s when I'm in my own Holly suit. There was also a time when I had to reenter the lobby 4 TIMES IN A ROW when the groups I had were inexperienced and died in the first round. That's why I'm a little picky myself when it comes to getting on the VP elevator. But that in no way means that I don't want to go in with Cold Callers just because they are Cold Callers.

[lisaa]

Originally Posted by Captain Lefty Dynoglop

I share that OP's opinion...to an extent. Yes, I get agitated too when I see Cold Callers crowding around the elevator or the Hollywoods. However, I do not automatically dismiss them as inexperienced. Likewise, I do not see a Two-face to Hollywood and immediately think they are experts.
I try to check all the gags of the toons in the lobby, no matter how many there are. I try to avoid the toons that have less than 50 laff WITH Level 5 and under gags, or even higher laffers with those.

These statements are, again, part of my experience. I get a little sick and tired of "Please be my Friend"s, "Let's go on the elevator"s, and "Hurry up!"s when I'm in my own Holly suit. There was also a time when I had to reenter the lobby 4 TIMES IN A ROW when the groups I had were inexperienced and died in the first round. That's why I'm a little picky myself when it comes to getting on the VP elevator. But that in no way means that I don't want to go in with Cold Callers just because they are Cold Callers.

not for nothing but u never said pls be my friend when u were a cold caller , im sorry but they hv every rt to get on a elevator when ever they choose, e1 is inexperienced at first and if u don t want to go with cold callers , get yr friends together and do a private run, cause in busy dis there will always be tons of cold callers , i bn on many runs with ccg and cold callers hv lived regardless of their laff points , i give respect to the smaller toons for even trying vp when they have to deal with toons that say , this is too risky for you , remeber when u were starting vp , did u like when toons said this is too risky for you , giv them a break , at least they try

[Ethan Socrates]

This is a complicated issue......

This is my take on it:

1) There are 2 reasons for "shuffling" as I see it
a) toons afraid of going sad because of too many inexperienced players
b) toons trying to load a group of friends to go together

When you are a ColdCaller you automatically assume that toons are shuffling only because of you... this is not the case.

When shuffling occurs and the elevator goes with only 2 CC did anyone consider its because there were 4 friends who are all working sellbot together that made up 50% of that load?

It just irritates me when ppl assume its always some bias against little toons when its not. When I was working sell a lot of the time my load would get stunk by CC thinking we hated them when the reality was all about wanting to play with friends.

TT is supposed to be about friendships and cooperation... but these elevators in fact discourage it.

I've said it over and over in frustration over shuffling...

What we need is 3 elevators in all lobbies to fight VP, CFO, CJ, and soon to come CEO (of course we all know sell is the worst and the others aren't so bad at all)

If this happened toons would easily be able to see how many in different groups to combine for an 8 man load. When theres 20 toons all trying to get on how many of those are trying to go with 3-6 toons???

This is the primary reason for shuffling IMO for whatever its worth... its also why the CCG works... it makes a place where you don't shuffle to go with friends... its 1 big group of "friends".

Anyway... just my thoughts from the perspective of a maxed sell toon.

Don't blame the toon blame the designer

[Senior VP Sellbot]

I can see both sides of this Cold Caller argument. People c'mon! If you 30 or 40 laff points, it's really risky. I'm not saying that to be rude, but the skelocog battle which consists of lvl 12s can literally kill you in 1 turn!!!! Those Power Trips still mess me up sometimes and I have almost 100 laff right now. Keep in mind that when you lose and you knew you were going to lose from the start, it not only hurts you, but also the toons that you were battling with. No I don't think it's fair that some of the Mr. Holliwoods are so arrogant that they refuse to help the cold callers. If your really good, just help! It won't kill you. But, I would really ask that you wait until you have about 50Lp to VP. It's less risky that way.