Trading wins

[Soaptoon2004]

We discussed this on test, when golf first came out there...but now I'd like to get everyone's opinions since it's on open.

One of the "strategies" is to trade wins.

Does this give anyone else a bad feeling?

I'm not very good at golf...so I lose alot. ...but I would rather lose, and do my best, than to have someone let me win. If I win, I want it to be because I played the best...not because someone "gave" me the game. It just doesn't feel the same to me.

It's the same way with racing. I STINK at it. ...but I have fun trying.

I don't know...sometimes I wish I didn't feel this way. I'd LOVE to finish off my trophies in golf and racing. I'll just feel better about it if I do it "fairly" than by having someone hand wins to me.

This is just my opinion...what's yours?

Debbie W.

[crimson dynamo]

Not this topic again.

I see nothing wrong with trading wins. You are putting in the time and effort. You should be rewarded.
I see nothing wrong with trading wins. You are putting in the time and effort. You should be rewarded.
I see nothing wrong with trading wins. You are putting in the time and effort. You should be rewarded.

Since only one person wins at racing and only one person wins at golf then by applying this logic to other aspects of Toontown.....

I think that when you fight the VP, the person who throws the most PIES into his under carriage should get the win, and all the other toons should not receive a win at all, because the other toon scored the best on defeating the VP.

During the CFO, only two toons should win. The toon that stomps the most goons and the toon that does the most damage while operating the cranes. All other toons should be denied the victory because they did not do the best.

During the Chief Justice, three toons should get the victory. The toon that has the most jurors, the toon who hits the scale the most, and the toon that stuns the most cogs. The other toons, up to five, will just have to keep playing and improve their skills.

Now, ask yourself, do any of those methods of determining who should win a Boss battle sound like fun?

I see nothing wrong with trading wins. You are putting in the time and effort. You should be rewarded.

This is a kid's game and kid's really need to feel that they are accomplishing something. But most toons that are 125 and higher are not kids.

BTW, I am only using my examples of Boss Battles as a comparison of why trading wins is the best way to do this.

On test, if we tied in golf, we all got credit for the win. But that went away in version xxx.7 I think.

[paydenfull]

Also, don't be alarmed if a toon gives you a win and isn't trying to trade wins. As I am running the easy course, I am playing the first 2 holes like normal, but on the last hole, I will miss until some one else wins. I am not crazy, I don't need the win...I need the 600 courses completed....so my theory is to let some one that needs the win, have it.

[Kit T. Kat]

one of my friends let me play on their 2nd account

So i dont trade wins, Kit always wins. But most of the time when im withought the other toon, i play solo and get those Birdies and Eagles and everything

[Soaptoon2004]

Originally Posted by crimson dynamo

Now, ask yourself, do any of those methods of determining who should win a Boss battle sound like fun?

That is SO completely NOT the same thing. Boss battles are INTENDED to be a team effort...where every member of the team receives the reward.

Golf and racing are NOT meant to be team efforts...they are meant to be competitive.

Debbie W.

[slowmover]

TT set this up to fail in the first place. If you dont think so play with randoms on a nine hole and be 4 ahead on the 7th or 8th hole and then they x out and you just wasted 15 mins for nothing.(i know you do get some pars and birdies but alot less than 3 3 hole courses. I play two toons at the same time everywhere i play in tt, but in golf ive been splitting them with sf so thats its faster and there is two winners instead of one. If you are concerned about things that seem like cheating, did you figure out the flower combos? Or did you use the 8 bean combos that were found by a couple of players? Planting was not a team part of the game but we all worked together to get the combos? So if you dont feel right winning when you shouldnt, pm me a code and i will be happy to help you by not helping you. But I think the best thing to do in golf is play with friends and enjoy their company and let the wins take care of itself......(I now have 120 trophys on 6 toons so its just one more way to kill time i guess)...bob (P.S. It gives me a bad feeling to waste the mods time having to edit my post)

[Soaptoon2004]

Originally Posted by slowmover

If you are concerned about things that seem like cheating, did you figure out the flower combos? Or did you use the 8 bean combos that were found by a couple of players? Planting was not a team part of the game but we all worked together to get the combos?

No, I didn't figure out the bean combos on my own. I used the charts here. I don't consider that cheating, though...any more than I would using a strategy guide. ( It was my understanding that the guide was put together by toons who worked hard to figure out the right combinations.)

Debbie W.

[PrincessPeachespoppenPop]

After waiting a year and a half for a "new species " in fishing.I 'll get my laff boost anyway I can.

[siler4078]

I guess its ok...
i only have 13 trophies in golf and 17 in racing so, i guess it seems right 0_o

[Danny]

I, personally like getting all the wins on my own. So far while Golfing I haven't had anyone let me win, even when I play with my friends that wouldn't care if they won or not, I'd like them to play there hardest and try to beat me, and that's what they do. On Danny I used the "let a friend let you win" strategie, for racing, but then I decided not to do that anymore, and on my 2nd toon, Danny Two, I've gotten all my wins by myself from facing randoms... I have noticed that most people on Toontown use their 2nd accounts to let them win, or have friends that they trade wins with. I don't see anything wrong with it, but I'll be one of the people that max Golfing on my own, without any help, which will take longer, but oh well.



I'd also like to comment on how someone thinks Bossbattles and Gardening compare with Racing/Golfing. IMO they're two completely different types of work. On Bossbattles you're supposed to work together to win, and even if someone is doing a little more work than the others, it still usually takes the whole team effort to get the victory. While in Racing and Golfing it's supposed to be made for competition. It's not meant for someone to try and max as fast as they can by using a 2nd account to let them win, or use a friend to let them win everytime. Although there is nothing wrong with it, that's still not what it's mean for. What I'm basically saying is, Bossbattles and Gardening are meant for teamwork, and Racing and Golfing are meant to do on you're own.

[LadyZippyBoingenpretzel]

As long as it's not an automatic expectation, so that no one is called a griefer and / or bad sport as was happening on test during the tie era, I don't have a problem with it.

If it's clearly communicated and agreed on (which seems to me only possible with sfs, in spite of anyone's best intentions), I don't have a problem with it.

My problem is, as always, ONLY with those who think everyone else should do things their way or they are clearly griefing. Anyone who golfs, races, whatever with the expectation of trading should be running with sfs who are in agreement, IMO.

I will consciously let my children win sometimes, and if a friend needs one more something for a trophy and asks first I probably would. But normally I am just having fun and not paying attention to the score. I will get the trophies when I get them and it's really no big whoop. So I am called a bad sport by some. Oh well.

I don't think it's comparable to boss battles. If you want to do it all on your own, go for it, don't let anyone else tell you what to do!

PS. I thought the ties on test were the best thing ever until the name calling started. I can't imagine how bad that would be on open!

[Silly Princess]

Originally Posted by LadyZippyBoingenpretzel

As long as it's not an automatic expectation, so that no one is called a griefer and / or bad sport as was happening on test during the tie era, I don't have a problem with it.

If it's clearly communicated and agreed on (which seems to me only possible with sfs, in spite of anyone's best intentions), I don't have a problem with it.

My problem is, as always, ONLY with those who think everyone else should do things their way or they are clearly griefing. Anyone who golfs, races, whatever with the expectation of trading should be running with sfs who are in agreement, IMO.

I will consciously let my children win sometimes, and if a friend needs one more something for a trophy and asks first I probably would. But normally I am just having fun and not paying attention to the score. I will get the trophies when I get them and it's really no big whoop. So I am called a bad sport by some. Oh well.

I don't think it's comparable to boss battles. If you want to do it all on your own, go for it, don't let anyone else tell you what to do!

PS. I thought the ties on test were the best thing ever until the name calling started. I can't imagine how bad that would be on open!

EXACTLY! From someone who didn't even KNOW this was happening on test until it was posted with complaints, I can imagine what people think of me now. Oh well.

BTW, where is all this "trading" and "free wins" when I'm racing?? No one has EVER let me win there.

[crimson dynamo]

Originally Posted by Soaptoon2004

No, I didn't figure out the bean combos on my own. I used the charts here. I don't consider that cheating, though...any more than I would using a strategy guide. ( It was my understanding that the guide was put together by toons who worked hard to figure out the right combinations.)

Debbie W.

Glad you benefited from my time and effort on gardening!! I saved you immense amounts of time because I spent immense amounts of time searching for flowers. Sure, I could have built my toon up, but I would rather get the flower searching finished and letting other toons get their flowers sooner.

Why waste time searching forever for flower combinations? Not efficient use of time.

So, why can't I save time by trading wins?

Let us compare the similarities

1. Gardening gives laff points
1. Golfing gives laff points

2. Can gardening take forever if you attempt to do it by yourself? YES
2. Can golfing take forever if you attempt to do it by yourself? YES

3. Would you rather use a shortcut to get gardening completed, such as helpful guides assembled by others? YES
3. Would you rather use a shortcut to get golfing completed, such as helpful guides assembled by others? Like how to play certain holes, or letting your toon win? YES

4. Are you HAPPY that others spent this time and effort before you so you do not have spend so much time on gardening? YES
4. Are you HAPPY that others allow you to win so you do not have spend so much time on golfing? YES

5. Are you glad you spent less amount of time gardening so you could get your tasks completed so you could become maxed in all you suits? YES
5. Are you glad you spent less amount of time golfing so you could get your tasks completed so you could become maxed in all you suits? YES

[Kehawin]

While I traded wins in racing from the very beginning - did a few regular races with rtandoms, but not many - and when friends are on and golfing I have been trading wins golfing, I can see Debbie W's side of things too.

Yesterday, I played with a monkey. We were on 9 hole course, the game was close until one hole that the monkey just didn't have luck with. My toon got the win, the monkey was a good sport and friendly, and off we went.

I saw the monkey near the medium course karts, and asked "Would you like some help?" Monkey said yes, and off we went. Game was close again, but on this one I purposely took crazy shots the last two holes, and monkey won by one stroke. Did I have to do this? No. Did I mind doing this? No. Did the monkey act like he wanted to play with me again? No. Did it do anyone any harm? I don't know. If the monkey is grateful, I say you're welcome. If the monkey is angry that he didn't earn that one particular win, I say I'm sorry.

There is no way to communicate before the game whether you want to trade or not. On test there was some discussion about using the center kart for traders... but that will NEVER work on open unless Disney MARKS THEM SO (since not everyone reads this site).

Debbie W. has let it be known that she does not appreciate being handed a win. She has not ever, that I have seen, said that OTHERS SHOULD STOP trading, just that she doesn't want to earn hers that way. So let it be. Trying to convince someone that your way is the best way is fruitless at best. Unless someone tells you that you as a person are worthless because you choose to trade rather than compete, they aren't INSULTING you, so don't worry about justifying yourself.

If someone were to say to me, your toon shouldn't have as many laff points because you didn't *really* earn them all, THEN I would be offended. But I don't mind hearing that they want to get their laff the old-fashioned way sans insults to my own integrity. To each his own! Toon and let Toon!

[MJHP]

Originally Posted by crimson dynamo

Glad you benefited from my time and effort on gardening!! I saved you immense amounts of time because I spent immense amounts of time searching for flowers. Sure, I could have built my toon up, but I would rather get the flower searching finished and letting other toons get their flowers sooner.

Why waste time searching forever for flower combinations? Not efficient use of time.

So, why can't I save time by trading wins?

Let us compare the similarities

1. Gardening give laff points
1. Golfing gives laff points

2. Can gardening take forever if you attempt to do it by yourself? YES
2. Can golfing take forever if you attempt to do it by yourself? YES

3. Would you rather use a shortcut to get gardening completed, such as helpful guides assembled by others? YES
3. Would you rather use a shortcut to get golfing completed, such as helpful guides assembled by others? Like how to play certain holes. YES

4. Are you HAPPY that others spent this time and effort before you so you do not have spend so much time on gardening? YES
4. Are you HAPPY that others allow you to win so you do not have spend so much time on golfing? YES

5. Are you glad you spent less amount of time gardening so you could get your tasks completed so you could become maxed in all you suits? YES
5. Are you glad you spent less amount of time golfing so you could get your tasks completed so you could become maxed in all you suits? YES

I need a saltine cracker.