Trading wins

[dizzymommy]

Originally Posted by crimson dynamo

Glad you benefited from my time and effort on gardening!! I saved you immense amounts of time because I spent immense amounts of time searching for flowers. Sure, I could have built my toon up, but I would rather get the flower searching finished and letting other toons get their flowers sooner.

Why waste time searching forever for flower combinations? Not efficient use of time.

So, why can't I save time by trading wins?

Let us compare the similarities

1. Gardening give laff points
1. Golfing gives laff points

2. Can gardening take forever if you attempt to do it by yourself? YES
2. Can golfing take forever if you attempt to do it by yourself? YES

3. Would you rather use a shortcut to get gardening completed, such as helpful guides assembled by others? YES
3. Would you rather use a shortcut to get golfing completed, such as helpful guides assembled by others? Like how to play certain holes. YES

4. Are you HAPPY that others spent this time and effort before you so you do not have spend so much time on gardening? YES
4. Are you HAPPY that others allow you to win so you do not have spend so much time on golfing? YES

5. Are you glad you spent less amount of time gardening so you could get your tasks completed so you could become maxed in all you suits? YES
5. Are you glad you spent less amount of time golfing so you could get your tasks completed so you could become maxed in all you suits? YES

I love your posts. I am so thankful for those that spent the hours finding the flower combos. And like you said...golf for laff, garden for laff. So if you did use the charts to finish your gardening then you really dont' have a reason to get upset with others who are trading wins in golf. Trading wins in golf is not nearly cutting corners like if you use the garden charts. You're still putting in the time to golf the games. With the gardening you are saving yourself loads of time. Those people that were dedicated enough to do the gardening went through millions of jellybeans which they had to earn some way and hours of coordinating and planning.

I totally agree with this post. I'm not sure what is up with complaining that some are helping friends by taking turns winning at golf. I mean really isn't TT all about helping your friends??? And how does it personally affect you if I'm taking turns winning with my friends?

At this point I'm mainly just playing and letting the outcome be what it is. But I can guarantee you that soon I will be taking turns with friends or running two toons.

Really to each their own. Just have fun that's what the game is for, this is a game for the family. My four year old has taken a liking to TT lately and I'm glad for test because its much calmer there and people aren't mean to him there.

[crimson dynamo]

No new blood here expressing their opinions.

The subject is trading wins.
The OP wanted people's opinions.

OP is against trading wins
I am in favor of trading wins.

My way of thinking is much different than the OP.

I attempt to explain in other ways on how trading wins is okey dokey. I will make extreme comparisons to show what I think(The boss battles being an example, knowing full well that some posters would not be able to comprehend that it was an extreme example.) The usual posters always come out in opposite opinions of me. Which is fine.

This is a forum. Forum implies public speaking out of opinions on common topics.

I enjoy a good debate.

EDIT: ON Open server, I mostly raced against randoms and so far I have only golfed against randoms. Mortimer Mouse and I used to trade wins on Open in racing, until he quit playing. I prefer the competitive nature of racing and golfing. I also achieved almost all of my Merits, Cogbucks, and JNs with randoms.

[Kehawin]

Originally Posted by crimson dynamo

No new blood here expressing their opinions.

I enjoy a good debate.

You are so very right. I think the purpose was to get new opinions, not the same ones. So let's let others post theirs.

[slowmover]

Im sorry that i mentioned that the 8 bean flowers were discovered in a very creative way. Sometimes i forget the correct way to say things in the posts. But i'm like crimson in that i just want to get a good debate going....LOL. For the last two months i've been mostly sos card shopping, and now im having issues thinking about all those caged up toons that we ran on instead of saving. So i guess letting someone win in golf could make up for that?....Well maybe not....bob

[Dippy Candy]

I don't see anything wrong with trading wins. I can hold my own in golfing, but yesterday I was "giving" games to a sf so she could gain some trophies. Some may find this boring, but with the right company it is a LOT of fun.

I haven't played much with non friends, because there's a lot of sore losers, so I'm not wasting my time playing the medium or hard courses for someone to X out near the end if they are losing. No thank you, I'll stick to playing with my sf's.

[Princess Domino]

AFter my friends logged off I tried to play 3 long courses last night and all 3 times, as soon as I was 4 or 5 shots ahead, the other toon left. Forget that. What a complete waste of time (Much faster to get your holes in one, etc. on the short curse). But, even if that hadn't been the case, there are still the random tie breakers, of which Princess Domino rarely seems to come out the winner, and the 30ish minutes spent playing each time I dont win.

So, chances are, with randoms, I'll only get an actual win maybe 1 out of every 6 or 7 times I enter a 9 hole course. That means to get the 100 wins on that course I will have had to do it 600-700 times. No thank you. Not when I have other toons to golf on also. At least with racing its only 4 minutes or less per race. We're talking ten times that amount of time where golf is concerned.

I will trade wins and not feel the LEAST bit guilty about it.

And the gardening thing is a good point. Absolutely no difference. Those who spent their time and jellybeans searching, and then shared their finds with the rest of us gave us that win - all we had to do was plant the combos they had already found. Those that are new to gaming and forums, and dont read them, dont have that advantage, and they will probably never max gardening.

If you're a really competitive person and its not fun and you don't feel like you've really accomplished something if you didnt truley win, then do what's fun for you. That's fine and I completely understand that. (And I don't think the OP is judging anyone that chooses to trade wins).

Toontown is about having fun and it's just as fun for me (if not more so) to go out on the course with a friend, have a good time laughing at each other, and trade the wins. Nobody has to feel bad and do little sad faces when I'm doing poorly, or stink me and leave when I get ahead, and I'll probably max golfing (though not anytime soon, I'm sure). If I had to do 600 - 700 nine hole courses to get my 100 wins (depending on how many times I lost, or won and people had stayed, and how many times I tied and won the radom tie breaker), I really doubt I would ever get it done before I cancel my account one day.

So, to sum it up, my thoughts are do whats fun for you and don't feel bad about it either way.

[Boggy]

Another case where we "play below our ability" is in working gags in buildings: rather than use a big gag we use a small one or just pass while we work our toon up. It is another way we can help smaller toons to move forward a little faster in their gags. I guess that would be considered "cheating" by some too. I call it helping and have no problem with it.

Another way to look at it is that when you finish the 100 wins you can either:

• Adjust your score to give the wins to another toon
• Play for blood with another toon with 100 wins
• Play like a demon and take your chances with randoms x-ing out

Minigolf is a game within a bigger and much longer game. Your perspective might be different if you are aiming to be a 132 laff toon or to be unbeatable at minigolf. Some toons are looking to get 2 laff and not bother with golf again. Others could care less about the trophies and wins and just play for fun while waiting for dinner to be served. The interplay between all these diverse approaches to the game make Toontown more fun that it would be otherwise.

[Violet Petalhopper]

I guess it all depends on how you look at it. Personally, I like winning the old fashion way...by not cheating. But I do have friends that have asked me to give them wins in golf and racing. I admit I have done that...but I like to get my points by winning fair and square. It's just a game...why do so many people feel they have to cheat just to max their toon?

[McBee]

I think its very admirable that many toons are golfing against randoms and not taking turns with wins. More power to you. But it's also something that I am just not patient enough to do.

Even taking all wins will take a VERY long time to max a toon. Sharing wins will take even longer, and going with competition will take an extremely long time. I find golfing very arduous and I estimate it will take weeks to months for me to max my toon. That said, I do not think it is cheating or wrong to take turns winning. Disney dileberatly made golfing to be extremely time consuming, and any toon who putts enough to win all 30 trophies deserves their laff.

I am golfing with the "taking all wins" method. Meaning I am on the course alone with two toons and I am putting every shot on both toons. I just make sure McBee win every course. The second toon I take with me is either a 16 laff toon I'll never play besides to use for golfing or I borrow a friend's toon and rack up their multiplayer completions while McBee racks up wins.

You can call what I do cheating or not, but I feel I am putting a TON of time an energy into golfing. Not only am I on the course for over 2100 holes, I am putting that times two (each hole, putted on each toon). Disney made golfing WAY too redundant and is asking for a lot of time from our busy lives. In my opinion, anyone spending weeks to months on a "mini-game" deserves to be winner.

[Prinpoppur]

Well, I've never expressed my opinion on this, so here goes!

I've only played golf once and didn't do the trading wins, so I can't say for sure my feelings there. However, I maxed racing and have some thoughts on that. I think what I do with golf will be similar to racing.

When I first began racing I was horrible at it and couldn't stand it. I had no plans to max. I had a sf who was always answering my TT questions and helping me. I told him that I felt bad it seemed I was never helping him and asked him if there was anything at all he could think of...he asked if I'd be his "racing buddy" on Monday nights. That was my introduction to trading wins. We would take turns winning the tournaments. When we stopped racing, I asked hubby if he would help me with the rest of the tournament wins. Honestly, I think it would be a nightmare trying to get tournament wins with randoms. The races are so long and with all the cheating that goes on....

When we traded wins we raced competively just until right before the finish line. Because of this, I got much better at racing and became competive. So when I became interested in maxing, I began competing against randoms other days of the week and earned many (probably a majority) of my nontournament wins fair and square. Hubby "gave" me a lot of wins, but we noticed in most of our races I would have beaten him anyways because I had gotten so much better with all the practice. A couple of friends gave me a few wins, but they were usually new at it, and I usually beat them by a large margin.

To sum it all up, I did have a slightly bad feeling about trading wins, but I feel that with all the time and energy I put in...plus the fact that I did get good at racing...I feel I did earn my 3 trophies. I think I will be doing a similar thing with golf. For trophies that seem extremely difficult like the hardest level, I will probably get a friend and we will compete most of the time until the last few holes. In this way there is a chance for improvement. However, I will get most of the trophies fair and square with randoms. And by the time I am maxed in golf, I will most likely be competitive at it. :-)

[dizzymommy]

I don't think that trading wins with a fellow friend is cheating. At the most it is simply "cutting corners" to achieve your trophies quicker. I personally don't have a problem with anyone that goes either way, to each his own is what I always say. I do have a problem with people that leave when they are losing fair and square. One could say that is is misleading (this would fall under the cheat category) to start a game of minigolf only to leave if you are losing. Below are definitions for cheat and trade. I will leave you to guess which one is which.

1. To deceive by trickery; swindle: cheated customers by overcharging them for purchases.
2. To deprive by trickery; defraud: cheated them of their land.
3. To mislead; fool: illusions that cheat the eye.
4. To elude; escape


1. To engage in buying and selling for profit.
2. To make an exchange of one thing for another.
3. To shop or buy regularly: trades at the local supermarket.
v.tr.
1. To give in exchange for something else: trade farm products for manufactured goods; will trade my ticket for yours.
2. To buy and sell (stock, for example).
3. To pass back and forth: We traded jokes.

[fluffy2]

i like ppl giving me wins helps me max quicker i want to be a 131 as soon as possible

[raiderfanforlife]

Originally Posted by crimson dynamo

No new blood here expressing their opinions.

The subject is trading wins.
The OP wanted people's opinions.

OP is against trading wins
I am in favor of trading wins.

My way of thinking is much different than the OP.

I attempt to explain in other ways on how trading wins is okey dokey. I will make extreme comparisons to show what I think(The boss battles being an example, knowing full well that some posters would not be able to comprehend that it was an extreme example.) The usual posters always come out in opposite opinions of me. Which is fine.

This is a forum. Forum implies public speaking out of opinions on common topics.

I enjoy a good debate.

Then why would you want to start the same old argument? I have noticed on these forums if your post is not understood it will be overlooked in debates such as these. Thats probably why the what you call the "usual posters" come out opposite of yours.

[raiderfanforlife]

Originally Posted by crimson dynamo

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I am debating your use of extreme comparison and the line you used to imply that others arent tact enough and will not understand your use but the "usual posters" that disagree with you

knowing full well that some posters would not be able to comprehend that it was an extreme example

but lets be honest We are just expressing opinion.

on subject, if you want to trade wins call a friend but dont give it to me because you think I need it before you do. Thats what friends and family are for. If its agreed upon before hand cool. All you do is set people up to expect those that are losing to expect a win

[Princess Domino]

I don’t think that it’s all that extreme an example.

I know of at least one person who will not use the jellybean spoilers because they want to find the combos themselves and feel that they earned the laff for it. No different than those who won’t trade wins. That’s what’s fun for her and that’s great.

But, whether we use the jellybean spoilers for flower combos, or a golfing partner to trade wins, either way we’re using an advantage that others might not have or choose not to use to gain laff from, right? In one case, the advantage is knowledge (that we wouldn’t have if other players had not shared their findings), in the other, the advantage is another player lifting their finger off the control button a second too early, once or twice, to give you the win. From where I sit, both cases are an advantage, and if one is “cheating,” then so is the other.

In the end, nobody gains anything substantial, aside from personal satisfaction, from having a maxed toon. For some there is more personal satisfaction in helping others than there is in self acheivement. Either way, there is no million dollar prize that a 132 laffer will get that a 130 or 56 laffer won’t, so why does it really matter to those who won‘t do it, if someone else trades wins on the golf course or uses the jellybean spoilers to get all the combos?

I do agree that trading wins should be done among friends or family, and not be expected when playing with randoms for various reasons, including the fact that many don't want to be given a win.