Interesting 17 laff exp.

[winterwoods]

Went into sellbot forman with another SF (we were both 100 laff plus) to get merits.

This 17 laff jumps on the elevator at the last second after waiting outside the door and watching the timer. I dont think they were an uber...they had nothing higher than squirt and throw level 3 gags. They didnt even have a third gag track.

My SF wanted to let the toon die because his idea was that we would be supporting and healing this toon all the way through, and that would just encourage them to jump into elevators with low laff. Especially after they waited so that we had no choice to take them. (That part I must admit I found annoying.)

This 17 laff would get upset when we used sound being he didnt have it. So basically we we would have to dumb down our gags and spend 3 times as long in there because of this.

Thoughts on this?

[way21337]

He should feel privileged for getting a free ride.

[Xaphanian]

I'm the SF ^_^ .

And you wanted to let him die, not me ^_^

[winterwoods]

You were not the SF there, I dont think. If you were, what country to you live in?

Nm, it was you!

Well it was both of our ideas lol.

[Captain Lefty Dynoglop]

Well, some of my friends would have intentionally let the guy die. I'm too much of a softie for that, but I don't really like low laffers going places WHERE THEY DO NOT BELONG (ubers excluded)! They should have 30-40 more laff before even trying the factory. My experience with guys like this is that they'll freeload, passing while I use up all my gags. Then I just pass and let the cogs kill them. Granted, they may not have known that it was too risky for them to go into, but still, they should have some kind of idea seeing that A) Only high laffers are coming and B) That they are getting shuffled off every time they try to come on.

You can call me cruel, but that's what I think. When I was that laff, I did not go into places where I didn't belong, or have the tasks for yet.

[Kit T. Kat]

I would tell him that it is too risky for him and that this isnt what he needs.

Then if he stinks you or something then let him go sad.

But if he thanks you, say something like "Lets go back to Sell hq" "dont wait for me"

[winterwoods]

We let him die..he ran out of gags long before we got near the end, and stood around doing nothing. The fact he complained about sound when he was on for a free ride, was the straw that broke the camels back lol.

[Danny]

It happens a lot really. Noobs that don't know how the factory works, think people should let them attack with throw and squirt through the whole factory making it last about 45 minutes... That doesn't annoy me as much as the higher laff toons allowing them to use their gags though. I mean, I'm not a rude toon or anything, but if I need merits and I'm in a factory with someone that's just there to build gags, I could care less about helping them out. I'd rather do a 20-25 minute factory than a 45 minute one.

As for letting him die, I wouldn't do that... I would just kill off the cogs, and ignore him.

[winterwoods]

I agree. I will help take someone through with decent gags...even if they had level one sound!

But someone with only two gag tracks like that, jumping at the last second is just looking for a free ride. Forcing others to spend an hour at the forman due to having to keep them healed etc....or having to listen to them saying you stink because the others want to use sound....isnt worth it.

[supermegaquack]

Personally, I'm thrilled whenever low-laugh toons want to do a factory with me. They don't have to hop on at the last second, I welcome them with me. If my friends say differently, I tell them "No worries!" and let the toon come aboard. I will make sure the toon stays alive the very best I can, and if he dies, I feel like I failed him, thus failing myself. I know from experience with my second toon how hard it is to do a factory at a low level and find a high level to help you. While I always had the philosophy to help low-level toons, I vowed to never let a toon go sad or refuse to let a toon do a factory with me because of his laugh. My toon had a task to do a factor at 51, and he couldn't get anyone to help him. I tried talking to high laffers, trying to let them know I had a higher laugh toon and I knew how to play, but they wouldn't listen. I've tried the factory 5 times and still haven’t won it, although the challenge does make it fun.
I believe it's incredibly cruel and mean for a high laffer to let a low level die purposefully and do not do everything they can to keep him alive. Put yourself in his shoes. He must have been so fed up with being turned away so many times that he would do anything to get in that elevator. I feel for him, and I'm ashamed that a high laffer would do something so mean and give us all a bad name. I'm more then certain that you could easily do the factory with him. If he didn't want you to use sound, then that's too bad, I understand using it anyway. But to let him die is a whole other thing, and that just wasn't fair.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by supermegaquack

Personally, I'm thrilled whenever a low-laff toons want to do a factory with me. They don't have to hop on at the last second, I welcome them with me. If my friends say differently, I tell them "No worries!" and let the toon come aboard. I will make sure the toon stays alive the very best I can, and if he dies, I feel like I failed him, thus failing myself. I know from experince with my second toon how hard it is to do a factory at a low level and find a high level to help you. While I always had the philosophy to help low-level toons, I vowed to never let a toon go sad or refuse to let a toon do a factory with me because of his laff. My toon had a task to do a factor at 51, and he couldn't get anyone to help him. I tried talking to high laffers, trying to let them know I had a higher laff toon and I knew how to play, but they wouldn't listen. I've tried the factory 5 times and still havn't won it, although the challenge does make it fun.

I'm the same way. I'll go with any toon at anytime, BUT I will use sound through the whole factory.

[Captain Lefty Dynoglop]

Originally Posted by supermegaquack

I believe it's incredibly cruel and mean for a high laffer to let a low level die purposefully and do not do everything they can to keep him alive. Put yourself in his shoes. He must have been so fed up with being turned away so many times that he would do anything to get in that elevator. I feel for him, and I'm ashamed that a high laffer would do something so mean and give us all a bad name. I'm more then certain that you could easily do the factory with him. If he didn't want you to use sound, then that's too bad, I understand using it anyway. But to let him die is a whole other thing, and that just wasn't fair.

My reasoning is just by my experience. If a low laffer came along and showed that he'd at least be a team player, then I'd take him along. But I also do NOT want to give the impression that being 17 laff is the appropriate level to start doing factories (ubers excluded,once again). I think 51 laff isn't low for the factory, since factory Toontasks are actually for that laff level.

Slightly on-and-off topic: A lower laffer freeloaded through a 5-story building while I and other 100+ laffers did the whole thing, while they got credit for their tasks without using a single gag. This irritates me to no end, for most toons actually WORK AT THEIR TASKS and not make others do it for them. One of the reasons why I think like I do.

[supermegaquack]

Originally Posted by Danny

I'm the same way. I'll go with any toon at anytime, BUT I will use sound through the whole factory.

Thanks, it's good to see there is at least one other high laffer who feels the same way I do.
By the way, while I by no means feel that it's right or acceptable to freeload, pass every turn, and stink those who are helping you, it certainly doesn't make leaving a toon to die allright. Two wrongs certainly don't make a right, and letting a toon die is much worse then any of the problems previously mentioned above.
Oh, also, why didn't you guys stop at the lava room/paint mixer and let him get more gags?

[Flippers]

If he knew to hit the biggest cog then it shouldnt have taken so much longer.

Consider on the sets with 6s he would actually help since two elephants leaves one to attack.

Ubers and ubers-in-training will go with the flow and not complain about toons sounding out the cogs.

[Little Trixie Huckleboing]

I take them along and try to keep them tooned-up. I'm going that way anyways, and I realize that some kids just want to see the factory. It's exciting to them.

HOWEVER....I admit I try harder to keep them happy if I see they are playing with skill (Choosing maybe not always the highest cog, but the cog that they can destroy if I don't, tooning my up if they're far enough along to have it, following my directions if I ask them to wait until I lure, or to go for a certain cog or to pass).

I usually try to help teach them some skill if it doesn't seem like they understand what's going on.

And if they make it through I tell them they need more laff points and I offer to help them on their toontasks for awhile, if I have the time.

Also, especially in the case where they hop on right before the doors shut I will NOT alter MY gag choices to fit theirs. It is MY train, they are the passenger and if they don't want to ride then they can leave. I follow this same theory when battle street cogs. I always let the toon who was there battling first choose the gag and i never upstage them. If I was battling first I choose the gag and hope they pay me the same respect in return.


Anyone who wants to ride along with me can. I don't mind.