Test Server: March 17, 2005 [sv1.0.15.23.test]

[Cuckoowackyzilla]

Well, there's a good thing to get merits: do 5+ story sellbot buildings in DDL. But sometimes they're hard to find, or taken.

Man! Only the VP should've been downgraded! Not the factory!

[Lizbeth]

Originally Posted by SonicGurl

Ummm, maybe 5 is how many facs you would have to do to get 5500 merits now (?). He was thinking that you multiply 500~ x2....and....that would mean....6 facs. Ok, never mind. I have no idea.

I'm still really confused on the merit/buck system.

In order to get 5500 merits on test now you have to do 29 factories. The most merits per longest run is 194 as opposed to 581 before update.

[LuckyDucky__]

I don't know about the other Hollywoods, I'm getting my 5500 merits before this reaches open, and will always alt/F4 out of VP at the end to save myself from doing the cursed 30 factories.

[Solid Squirrlee 2]

Why should we have to do 29 Factories???? Quit going to the VP and don't bother to take a second or 3rd toon. Make Sellbot HQ a Ghost town except for the Daisy Gardens's toons that have to do the factory. Send Email after email to TT and complain like the testers did the last time they tried this. Make them change the amount of merits/cog bucks needed for Hollys and Barons or put the old system back in place. Remember you are the customer and so are the rest of us we pay them!!!! If we quit because the game is no longer fun for us they loose money!!! I found the 7 Factory runs so mind numbing I don't know how I got to Hollywood Level 50. I can't even start to think about 29 runs of 194 just to VP once. This should thrill most of you, we are talking about 1,130 or so Factory runs to get from Holly 12 to Holly 50

I don't know the effect this will have on Cash HQ yet but I would think it will be nearly as devastating there too. I don't think it will be possable to get your bucks in 7 runs like it is now. I would expect 14 or more runs to get ready for a CFO as a Robber Baron. Lets face it The Mint really isn't all that random, The Mint Pipe Room and the Bullion Room are always the same 4 sets of Cogs. The only thing that changes is the order of the rooms and the puzzles you see......big whoooopie!!!!!!

[Lizbeth]

If anyone has a toon who is getting bucks for cfo, I will be glad to do a run through a bullion mint to see how many bucks you get. My toon is full, so it won't work to take her.

And by the way if anyone is interested, I did a 5 story sell, on test and got 190 merits. Then did one on open and got 251 merits. So I don't think doing buildings is going to make up for what we've lost in the factory and mints.

[Solid Squirrlee 2]

Well here is the bad news.....Floor 9 is only going to be worth 492 where it was 1,495 so KISS 1000+ bucks good bye and get ready to run 19+ times to get 8,900 bucks. I guess it's time to go to City of Heroes and and wave good bye to Toontown!!!

What is Disney thinking? Have they gone insane? What made them think that the old bucks/merits system was buggy? Do they really know how many hours it takes to run the bullions/factories to fill up those 8900/5500 bucks/merits requirement? Are they really expecting us to run 19 bullions or 29 factories to be ready for a CFO or a VP? Well, I also think that they can kiss my accounts goodbye. But I will not give up without a fight. I will sure write to them and ask my friends to do so.

[Solid Squirrlee 2]

I did a second run in the Mint in TEST and have found what I knew was right on my first run, the Bullion is X2 and it isn't following gag EXP like the release notes say. Gag exp in the bullion is X3 yet Cog Bucks are only X2 just like the Sellbot Factory. I do have a plan to organize a little protest if this is sent to OPEN server. I will file a second bug report on this issue. Now what I expect to see happen is that they will change the gag experience in all the Mints to Times 2 multiplier just to keep us from completeing Cash HQ. They need to roll back the amount of Merits/Bucks or leave it alone. In my view you don't let a bug run for a year+ then fix it and expect players to just deal with it!! Sell HQ is insane to even attempt to finish now, I'm glad I finished it before Cash HQ was opened. To stress the insanity of this the next HQ that is a long way away (A Year) will be even more insane, what will we need 12,300 Subpoenas just to face the Judge or whatever he may be? Let's see what happens with the next Update to open, then we can discuss the options I have in mind would they like to See toons of the world Unite....He he he he!!!

[Boo Boo Bumbletoes]

Originally Posted by Lizbeth

In order to get 5500 merits on test now you have to do 29 factories. The most merits per longest run is 194 as opposed to 581 before update.

Whoa!! Where do you get those extra 51 points?? Obviously I'm missing something somewhere since I only get 530.

As for adjusting the Merits awarded, definitely something has to be done. It's crazy that running the factory, where you meet 1 level 9 cog and 99% of the other 35 (not counting the ones I'm obviously missing; see above) are level 6 or under, awards more than a 5 storey in DDL. And I thought the idea of this game was fun: Let me tell you, like you don't already know: Being forced to run that mind-numbingly repetitive factory 11 times just to be allowed to battle the VP is anything but!!

There are some serious balance issues with Merits.

[aurora borealis]

Originally Posted by Boo Boo Bumbletoes

Whoa!! Where do you get those extra 51 points?? Obviously I'm missing something somewhere since I only get 530.

There are some serious balance issues with Merits.

Start at the side entrance, fight the east and west silo, then go back and finish the rest before fighting the foreman.

[Lizbeth]

Originally Posted by Solid Squirrlee 2

I did a second run in the Mint in TEST and have found what I knew was right on my first run, the Bullion is X2 and it isn't following gag EXP like the release notes say. Gag exp in the bullion is X3 yet Cog Bucks are only X2 just like the Sellbot Factory. I do have a plan to organize a little protest if this is sent to OPEN server. I will file a second bug report on this issue. Now what I expect to see happen is that they will change the gag experience in all the Mints to Times 2 multiplier just to keep us from completeing Cash HQ. They need to roll back the amount of Merits/Bucks or leave it alone. In my view you don't let a bug run for a year+ then fix it and expect players to just deal with it!! Sell HQ is insane to even attempt to finish now, I'm glad I finished it before Cash HQ was opened. To stress the insanity of this the next HQ that is a long way away (A Year) will be even more insane, what will we need 12,300 Subpoenas just to face the Judge or whatever he may be? Let's see what happens with the next Update to open, then we can discuss the options I have in mind would they like to See toons of the world Unite....He he he he!!!

I'm with you!! I love it. Toon of the world UNITE!

[Zilly Zillerzilla]

Originally Posted by Boo Boo Bumbletoes

Whoa!! Where do you get those extra 51 points?? Obviously I'm missing something somewhere since I only get 530.

As for adjusting the Merits awarded, definitely something has to be done. It's crazy that running the factory, where you meet 1 level 9 cog and 99% of the other 35 (not counting the ones I'm obviously missing; see above) are level 6 or under, awards more than a 5 storey in DDL. And I thought the idea of this game was fun: Let me tell you, like you don't already know: Being forced to run that mind-numbingly repetitive factory 11 times just to be allowed to battle the VP is anything but!!

There are some serious balance issues with Merits.

I did a full sell factory run on test today and got about 195 merits. since my toon on open just hit the 5500 merit level im shakin in my boots.... 29 factory runs YAWN......

[Lizbeth]

Originally Posted by Boo Boo Bumbletoes

Whoa!! Where do you get those extra 51 points?? Obviously I'm missing something somewhere since I only get 530.

(not counting the ones I'm obviously missing; see above) :

You aren't missing any cogs. The merits used to be added up progressively. When you did the first cogs after going in the side elevator, then skip the skels in pipe room, going straight to the warehouse, doing the 4 in there, then up to the silos. Then back down you got more merits for the smaller cogs lower in the factory. Each battle gave you more then the one before it. So when you did the bigger cogs first, the smaller ones were worth more.

Does that make sence? I went through once and checked each battle after, and that is how it worked. If you did them as they came, you didn't get as many merits.

[Boo Boo Bumbletoes]

Originally Posted by Lizbeth

You aren't missing any cogs. The merits used to be added up progressively. When you did the first cogs after going in the side elevator, then skip the skels in pipe room, going straight to the warehouse, doing the 4 in there, then up to the silos. Then back down you got more merits for the smaller cogs lower in the factory. Each battle gave you more then the one before it. So when you did the bigger cogs first, the smaller ones were worth more.

Does that make sence? I went through once and checked each battle after, and that is how it worked. If you did them as they came, you didn't get as many merits.

Does it make sense?? From a logical standpoint, no! Not at all! I understand (and follow) what you're saying though. Thank you very much for clarifying it.

I'm not sure though that the extra time required to do all of that running around is worth 51 points. I guess you'd have to measure the extra time required and multiply that by 10 and if the result is lower than the amount of time required to "take them as they come" on a short run then it's worth it. (A short run because 5500 - (10x530) = 200 and a short run awards ~240 (or is it ~270?)) Just guesstimating; I think it's not worth it.

[aurora borealis]

Originally Posted by Boo Boo Bumbletoes

Does it make sense?? From a logical standpoint, no! Not at all! I understand (and follow) what you're saying though. Thank you very much for clarifying it.

I'm not sure though that the extra time required to do all of that running around is worth 51 points. I guess you'd have to measure the extra time required and multiply that by 10 and if the result is lower than the amount of time required to "take them as they come" on a short run then it's worth it. (A short run because 5500 - (10x530) = 200 and a short run awards ~240 (or is it ~270?)) Just guesstimating; I think it's not worth it.

That's your perogative, many others do think it's worth it. I don't get the obsession so many people seem to have about time! Lizbeth is my mom (in case you didn't know), and when we run the factory, it goes like clockwork. I never measure how much time something takes, it seems it would take the fun out of it!