SOLO CJ is Not Possible Anymore, Nor Stunless CJs

[shashi]

Originally Posted by Mr Red Bull

Are you really sure a Solo CJ is not possible anymore?

The way I remember it, when CJ first came out, it was 8 cog, less gavels etc., then they added more gavels, extra cogs and also then added the feature of getting more weight from seating jurors, these though were not immediate additions.

It's a while back now so my memory is bit fuzzy, but I'm sure i'm correct in saying that the first couple of solo CJ's were not done stunless, but were done by stun experts some of which were claiming to be able to stun all 8 cogs before they unstunned, most people were doing 5 or more me included.

It was then someone managed to do a stunless CJ (i'm think this was before weight changes), it was a great achievement at the time, it spurred others to try, then of course things got a little easier with extra weight additions, then stunless CJ's were more common and stunless solos a lot easier (by solo standards, no less an achievemnt though of course ).

It seems to me it might be the art of soloing before changes that may have been lost through time, and that a rethink may all be what is needed to SOLO CJ, just need get back to working out best positions to stun and fill pan at same time.

If I am right about it being like it was when first came out, then it may still be possible and a 'its not like I expected, because there no extra weight, extra cogs or gavels, and so I'll leave and give it up even trying' is wrong way to think about it.

Of course this may not be true and the changes may not refelect same circustances as they were before, and if this is true then SOLO CJ may not possible.

But no one will know if they don't even try.

'Keep it Kool '

No, its not possbile, because you do not get BONUS WEIGHT anymore. I tried it, then went with friends, and did one random run in River, where average weight was 43. So, i am preety sure its not possible.

Shashi

[The Dogfather]

Originally Posted by Mr Red Bull

Are you really sure a Solo CJ is not possible anymore?

I'm sure i'm correct in saying that the first couple of solo CJ's were not done stunless, but were done by stun experts some of which were claiming to be able to stun all 8 cogs before they unstunned, most people were doing 5 or more me included.


'Keep it Kool '

A stunless solo CJ is not at all possible now. I personally have never heard of anyone doing a solo CJ where they had no bonus weight and were forced to stun the cogs. Even if someone managed to stun all 8 cogs at once, you only get 2x weight for 20 seconds, of which is still not enough. From my calculations, the cogs evidence weight is about 2. It takes the cogs to throw once every 8 seconds, while most often a toon can throw once every second. So in 8 seconds, and assuming every cog throws into the pan this round, they will throw a total of 16 weight into the scale, while a toon with no bonus weight will throw only a total of 8. The only reason a solo was possible is because of the bonus weight.

Looking at the same scenario, with 10 cogs this time and with bonus weight. During 8 seconds, 10 cogs will throw a total weight of 20. Now if a toon had seated 4 (bonus weight of 4), their total wieght is now 5 (4 bonus + 1 original). In those same 8 seconds, since a toon is able to throw once every second or so, they would manage to get in a total of 40 weight into the pan. That is 2x more than the cogs every 8 seconds, even assuming the cogs always throw at the scale.

As time ticks on, the cogs do throw less and less at the pan and more at the toon, then switch back and forth, which what made the stunless solo CJ with bonus weight more achievable. Even with this alternating system the cogs have and if all the cogs were able to be stunned at once, I personally dont see how anyone with no bonus weight can solo the CJ, even if they are these so called super stunners. Just not enough time and evidence on hand.


The Dogfather

[Mr Red Bull]

Originally Posted by The Dogfather

A stunless solo CJ is not at all possible now. I personally have never heard of anyone doing a solo CJ where they had no bonus weight and were forced to stun the cogs. Even if someone managed to stun all 8 cogs at once, you only get 2x weight for 20 seconds, of which is still not enough.........

The Dogfather

Yes, just looked through release archive on TT website, the update that incuded bonus weights was included about 2 weeks after Law HQ opened, so would seem unlikely that the first CJ solo was done before it was updated, which probably means that they did it with weight assist.

'Keep it Kool '

[CaptainMac]

Originally Posted by jestickidd

I see.
I remember when sell came out,
and the factory had all level 9-12.

but as Cash and Law were released,
the fac's foreman is now only level 9. (I think, may have changed again due to Boss.)
instead of level 12 like it used to be.

I too remember that. And toontown has said that when they release new content old content gets upgraded. Like the levels tweleve at the end of the factory got downgraded to a level 11 even though nothing new happened and then it got downgraded all the way to a level 8. They say that boss battles will either get easier or hard and that factories, mints, and DA's offices will be easier to get notices. I personally like how they change it around to make it harder or easier so you don't get used to the game to easily. As far as solo's getting impossible maybe for futur task you'll need to solo but it will be different than soloing now like say 7 toons need your help and they escape and you can make them do do the gags you want but they can still run out, etc..

[nicoboy11]

stunless CJ's are possible still... i don't know about solo's though. i've been in a cj recently with only 4 toons and we attempted a stunless cj.

ok now i see u only get bonus if there is atleast 6 or more big wigs... TT really knows how to spoil every1's fun don't they?

[Flippers]

So have any of you filed a bug report about this?

[The Dogfather]

Originally Posted by Flippers McGurgle

So have any of you filed a bug report about this?

I personally have not filed a bug report, because I dont think its a bug; this is the way they made it. It might help if hundreds of us send in bug reports daily describing what WE see as a problem with the CJ now that bonus evidence was removed. I think that is a pretty good idea and a good start to trying to get the CJ back to what it used to be; FUN. I was thinking of starting a petition to get the CJ back to normal, but not sure if that will help. The CJ has become monotonously ridiculous. I dont see many people doing CJ runs with the exception of people that want to max their suits.


The Dogfather

[Bongo_445]

Originally Posted by The Dogfather

I personally have not filed a bug report, because I dont think its a bug; this is the way they made it. It might help if hundreds of us send in bug reports daily describing what WE see as a problem with the CJ now that bonus evidence was removed. I think that is a pretty good idea and a good start to trying to get the CJ back to what it used to be; FUN. I was thinking of starting a petition to get the CJ back to normal, but not sure if that will help. The CJ has become monotonously ridiculous. I dont see many people doing CJ runs with the exception of people that want to max their suits.


The Dogfather

so maxxing law will be even harder for the rest of us that hasn't maxed law since no one will want to do it

[Cool Winky Doggendoodle]

Originally Posted by Bongo_445

so maxxing law will be even harder for the rest of us that hasn't maxed law since no one will want to do it

Invasions will still be needed therefore CJ's will get done. Bug reports and petitions may work. They eventually did change the factory to make it a bit better. Timers on the elevators and laff limits on other things.

CWD

[Pancake Sourgadget]

So Lets Make A petition!

We better start something NOW or we will see less and less invasions in NR and NS

[LadyZippyBoingenpretzel]

Originally Posted by Flippers McGurgle

So have any of you filed a bug report about this?

I did, and got the typical response:

Dear Toontown Guest,

Thank you for your feedback and your interest in making Toontown a
better place.

We are pleased to hear from our Guests and welcome your comments
regarding our products and services. We are continually balancing and
updating the game as we strive to make Toontown a fun and safe place to

play online.

For more information on our submission policy, please view our Terms of

Use at:
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We look forward to seeing you in Disney's Toontown Online soon!

Thank You,

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Disney's Toontown Online Member Services

[The Dogfather]

Originally Posted by LadyZippyBoingenpretzel

I did, and got the typical response:

That is a great start. Im sure that is all users will get as a response, but I think if they keep getting reports on this same subject matter it might entice them to change it back.


The Dogfather

[nicoboy11]

So who agrees we should make a petition? I vote yes, any1 else?

[cputnal]

I really wish I hadn't read this. I'm bummed. You mean no more 10 cog/10 gavel runs? Those were the greatest - I'm so glad I maxed a couple of toons before they did this. How boring is it to know that you'll only have the basic set-up every time?

And there is no big benefit in being able to seat 5 jurors if you aren't going to get any bonus - might as well let everyone get one or two...

geez, what a disappointment.

I'll also send a note to Disney, but I highly doubt they care what we actually think.

Craig

[Ladybug Picklemuffin]

I sent Disney a note under Question/Comment. Nothing back yet. I'll try the bug report. I find this extremely frustrating and disaapointing. My conclusion is that the folks driving game content really aren't gamers and/or don't have good buisiness sense.

I guess shoulda, coulda, woulda for me. I was just about to go in and attempt solo on two different toons since Summer Solstice did it with 3 jurers. (My cannons were always iffy between 3 and 5). I really can't tell what client base they are catering to. The CJ difficulty level gave folks options for play (group or solo). I can't see why Disney would want to take away content. The only-end game challenge is to solo the bosses. Not sure why they would want to take that away.