Violation

[Princess Melody Mc.Zap]

I'v seen a lot of toons receantly dancing on the edge of the ccg's rules.Like sounding lured cogs or doing the VP glitch. And worst of all,i'v seen shuffling. If i'm not mistaken,the ccg was made to AVOID shuffling,not to encourage it.I think we need to go to another district to avoid all thease randoms i'v been seeing.Not saying everyones bad,but just a select few have ruined my boss battles.I HATE GRIEFERS!!or ignorance,for that matter.

[Little Fancy Pedalwhip]

The best way to combat the hoppers is to push forward and pack on and to never jump off yourself. Also, reporting them to an ambassador will help a lot, just take a screenshot and pass it along.

You can find a list of the ambassadors Here.

[Scout]

Changing districts does not solve the issue of toons joining our runs that may have not read our guidelines, they teleport through friends, and honestly the CCG is BIG ENOUGH to GREEN a district on it's own from time to time. So with that in mind, we will encounter challenges along the way. Small children, with game play that may be unpredictable, play often during this season, and all we can do is try our best to keep everyone happy. There are level 7 gags and COGS MISS which become valuable in these situations. Glitchers are aware of what they are doing, and that is a clear violation of the guidelines, and I would encourage anyone who sees one to forward a screenshot to an ambassador as Little Fancy Pedalwhip has recommended.

[Light Blue Rabbit]

Hi! Not an official member of the CCG, but I have read the guidelines, and I do try to abide by them.

A few days ago in Cash hq (around Jan 09?) ( or was it law hq?), only 6 or 7 toons got on, and as I am still a noob for those HQ's, and there were three or four other toons just STANDING there., I was really nervous.
..i jumped off to give us more time to get a full elevator.
Of course, that led to a wee bit of shuffling, cause with only 12 or 13 toons were there, plus unless the elevator gets empty, not everyone can get back into the elevator....so some shuffling happened, and it was my fault. Yes, I am blowing the whistle on myself.

However.....a minute or two of confusion, and then we got a FULL elevator.
Generally I abhor the shuffle more than anyone. But...it did get us a full elevator. We all danced at the end, I believe.

It just seemed so strange, to have a really good group of 7 toons, and three waiting there on the platform, ( a ton of people were still outside), and the clock got down to 1, waiting for one of those other three toons to jump on board! 7 toons all standing in the elevator squeeking (oinking, meowing, etc) 'come on!', and "lets go!", and "one more?" over and over, while three toons just stood nearby. Aggravating.

Try to not hate me.

Oh! The other thing I have seen some people griping about recently, would be working their gags while in any of the HQ's. I think this happens more in Sell, than cash or law, cause there are more 'little people' in Sell.

It is an aggravation, too, altho not as much as shuffling.

I wish we had a speed chat way to say "don't hit it unless you can kill it ALL BY YOURSELF!". I know, "I think you should pass" is one way...but I think it confuses everyone except maybe the uber toons.

Craig recently had a few juicy things to say about this! So I quote:

Note: I'm not even going to say which run it was yesterday...but for heaven's sake:

PLEASE DON'T WORK YOUR GAGS IN THE VP!!!!!!
You found the CCG, you apparently can read, so please follow the guidelines. When asked to "Choose a different gag" you continued to marble or sand trap nearly every cog we lured in on the left, even after repeated entreaties to "Stop that" "Please"...you kept replying "sorry", but as I tell my children, sorry doesn't take away the bad behavior. I believed you continued this behavior on the other side. Yes, you had at least 3 or 4 SFs in the group, but that doesn't excuse you to blatently and repeatedly just ignore the guidelines.

Having to cover two cogs continuously, watch out for the obviously new 56 laffer and try to talk you into NOT using trap (and then later, you switched to your mid-range drop, instead of following suit on squirt/throw) was pretty exasperating.

LLKR
There.
Craig"
Unquote

But it does bring up a very good point.....if you lure left, and kill right, what do we say about toons who use their dynamite trap on the cog being lured? Cause then 2 cogs are killed, so the next lure cant be a $10, it hasta use up a set of goggles, or maybe even just a blue magnet, which is chancy for little toons. On the other hand....two biggish toons on each side should have 6 goggles between them....and there just are not that many sets of cogs in Sell HQ...so even with the occasional dynomite, 6 goggles ought to be enuf...
Or is it? any opinions on this?
(Plus- please congratulate me on my new gag, the dynamite trap! Which up to this point, I do not believe I have used any trap in any hq until the first time, last week in Law HQ, i used the trapdoor, which was already at 69 or 70 points, and someone kindly followed with a hose to finish the 8 off. But....one reason this gag took so long to get to level 6 was I am loath to use it when other toons are relying on me. I had cake, squirt, sound, and lure all MAXED out by 81 laff. 105 laff and I am only just now getting some very low levl dynamite.)

[Violet Twinkletoes]

I understand the frustration expressed in this and other posts. No one likes to deal with these scenarios, but we cannot control what randoms toons and kids will do. I'm not trying to be cold, but these problems are ongoing and are not likely to change, only get worse. Despite these problems, the CCG operates quite smoothly. Try to focus on the big picture, be grateful for what we do have. Can you honestly say you would rather take your chances with random toons? I know I don't.

Violet

[Beaniemooch]

Okay, normally I try to stay out of these posts because I get very frustrated at many of the same things everyone else does, but I tend to have a different perspective on a couple of issues, namely randoms and River.

I HATE working gags in boss fights, especially sound. While I appreciate you're proud of your horn, don't use it on lured cogs and don't use it on a 12. And if your piano isn't maxed, please don't drop the 12 alone because we don't know it's weak if you don't tell us. Most of all I hate selfishness and stupidity, where toons only think of what they want to do and not the good of the team.

Quitie frankly, when I joined CCG 5 months ago I was thrilled, no shuffle and good boss fights, along with very good friends. I still very much appreciate the CCG and what it stands for, but I frequently take my boss fights to River. I try and make the runs when I can for CCG, and I love the marathons. But right now I tend to run in River frequently for a number of reasons. If I want a shuffle it's not much worse for me in River these days. I can get a good elevator wherever I go and most toons are pleasant and team players. Do I run into glitchers and stinkers? Darn tootin I do, but it keeps me on my toes and I haven't gone green yet.

I appreciate CCG for what it stands for. I highly recommend the training runs, I love em. I love the marathons and all the wonderful friends I play with. I love the ubers and small toons and I will work my monkey heart out to keep everybody laffing and dancing at the end. But it has become discouraging lately, and unlike those who are nervous about "randoms" I don't share that concern. I got to Hollywood and Baron before I ever found CCG, and was well on my way to Big Wig. Maybe coming up the "hard way" taught me a few lessons that serve me well now. I'm not saying you're wrong to be nervous or reluctant, it's a difference in individual comfort levels.

Shuffling, bad behavior, etc., is everywhere on Toontown because it's inhabited by toons, but seeing so much of it in CCG has truly made me discouraged. And as for the remarks about running with "randoms," weren't we all randoms once? I came in as a random and always played my best. I meet very nice randoms in factories, mints, and DA's. I run into very nice CCG players as well and am happy to go in with anyone - random or CCG - regardless of if they have sound or not, are maxed in gags or not, or have a bad attitude or not. If your attitude is bad you will find out it doesn't work with me very well. And if you expect me to waste my tu on you when you're stinking me, think again. It's amazing how a toon's attitude can turn more team player when their laff gets down to about 10.

In closing I leave you with this disclaimer. The opinions stated in this post are my own. They are in no way reflective of the the beliefs of CCG, any toon living or dead, or anybody else who I know is going to take exception to my own humble opinions. All runs I do with CCG are under the guidelines of CCG, I follow the rules to the letter, I do not shuffle, I pack on, I do LLKR, and I continue to say "You rock" to those I think need education in more areas than there is time to list, and no matter what I think of their gag choice I do not stink them or make unfriendly comments via speed chat. I shall continue to come when I can to the runs because there are many wonderful toons there, JUST LIKE THERE ARE EVERYWHERE ELSE.

Barb, aka
Little Dizzy Beaniemooch 129 HW50 RB50 BW50
Little Maxie Bizzenmooch 113 HW22 RB8 BS9

[Scooter Wondertoon]

Originally Posted by gggbutter

Okay, normally I try to stay out of these posts because I get very frustrated at many of the same things everyone else does, but I tend to have a different perspective on a couple of issues, namely randoms and River.

I HATE working gags in boss fights, especially sound. While I appreciate you're proud of your horn, don't use it on lured cogs and don't use it on a 12. And if your piano isn't maxed, please don't drop the 12 alone because we don't know it's weak if you don't tell us. Most of all I hate selfishness and stupidity, where toons only think of what they want to do and not the good of the team.

Quitie frankly, when I joined CCG 5 months ago I was thrilled, no shuffle and good boss fights, along with very good friends. I still very much appreciate the CCG and what it stands for, but I frequently take my boss fights to River. I try and make the runs when I can for CCG, and I love the marathons. But right now I tend to run in River frequently for a number of reasons. If I want a shuffle it's not much worse for me in River these days. I can get a good elevator wherever I go and most toons are pleasant and team players. Do I run into glitchers and stinkers? Darn tootin I do, but it keeps me on my toes and I haven't gone green yet.

I appreciate CCG for what it stands for. I highly recommend the training runs, I love em. I love the marathons and all the wonderful friends I play with. I love the ubers and small toons and I will work my monkey heart out to keep everybody laffing and dancing at the end. But it has become discouraging lately, and unlike those who are nervous about "randoms" I don't share that concern. I got to Hollywood and Baron before I ever found CCG, and was well on my way to Big Wig. Maybe coming up the "hard way" taught me a few lessons that serve me well now. I'm not saying you're wrong to be nervous or reluctant, it's a difference in individual comfort levels.

Shuffling, bad behavior, etc., is everywhere on Toontown because it's inhabited by toons, but seeing so much of it in CCG has truly made me discouraged. And as for the remarks about running with "randoms," weren't we all randoms once? I came in as a random and always played my best. I meet very nice randoms in factories, mints, and DA's. I run into very nice CCG players as well and am happy to go in with anyone - random or CCG - regardless of if they have sound or not, are maxed in gags or not, or have a bad attitude or not. If your attitude is bad you will find out it doesn't work with me very well. And if you expect me to waste my tu on you when you're stinking me, think again. It's amazing how a toon's attitude can turn more team player when their laff gets down to about 10.

In closing I leave you with this disclaimer. The opinions stated in this post are my own. They are in no way reflective of the the beliefs of CCG, any toon living or dead, or anybody else who I know is going to take exception to my own humble opinions. All runs I do with CCG are under the guidelines of CCG, I follow the rules to the letter, I do not shuffle, I pack on, I do LLKR, and I continue to say "You rock" to those I think need education in more areas than there is time to list, and no matter what I think of their gag choice I do not stink them or make unfriendly comments via speed chat. I shall continue to come when I can to the runs because there are many wonderful toons there, JUST LIKE THERE ARE EVERYWHERE ELSE.

Barb, aka
Little Dizzy Beaniemooch 129 HW50 RB50 BW50
Little Maxie Bizzenmooch 113 HW22 RB8 BS9

I have to agree with Barb for the most part.

I’m certain all of us with any experience have learned that working gags in any boss fight, factory, mint, or d.a.’s office is not a good practice, but the fact of the matter is that it is done regularly. And not only by the ‘inexperienced’ or ‘newbie’, but I’ve seen it done by those I know to be experienced toons who are building a second, third, or fourth toon. Any of you willing to admit to it?

I was invited to a couple of CCG runs some time ago by a friend, became a member shortly thereafter because of what CCG stands for, and I’ve met a lot of great people through CCG. I will mention that I was introduced to CCG after I’d already reached Level 50 as a Hollywood, Baron, and Big Wig, working primarily in Nutty River and Nutty Summit with and without friends, as a ‘random’, a term I’ve come to loathe.

I do runs with CCG occasionally, but I still do boss fights primarily in River or Summit. I like the challenge of getting an inexperienced toon to the dance as well as the challenge of overcoming gag choices made from inexperience – it keeps me on my toes and I feel I’m a better player for it.

With all the negativity surrounding ‘randoms’ and the players in River, and take this as you will, my boss fights with CCG lessened after one particular CJ fight with my second toon at the time with maxed gags and 109 laff. One toon whom I know to be a well-known member of CCG and will not name here used what I’ve heard referred to as a ‘stinky’ gag on 3 level 12’s (the last set) that brought me to an uncomfortable 60-some level laff. Immediately after, one toon did elect toon up while the remaining toons elected gag choices deemed sufficient to kill. I wondered at the time and still wonder whether or not anybody has ever seen gags, including toon up, miss – it certainly was on my mind at the time.

And while not mentioned in Barb’s post, but throughout this thread I’ve seen mention of knowing when school’s out because kids are playing and/or begging for jellybeans as well as other comments concerning children playing (wait – this is a kid’s game, right?). My kids play relatively regularly, but under my watchful eye. If you want to blame anyone for ‘children’ behaving badly, blame the parents who aren’t watching – I’m certainly watching mine and you won’t see them begging for beans or ‘griefing’, nor will you see them playing any worse than any other player out there – they’re sitting next to me while I help them select their gags and teach them the game. I can’t go any further on this particular subject without getting ugly.

If playing with ‘randoms’ or those not regimented to the CCG method of play is so bothersome, limit the runs to members only. Problem resolved (maybe).

And Barb, you know I’d be too scared to stink you. I’m afraid of what would happen to me. Green’s not my color. You’re awesome, I love being around you, and you’re the best I’ve ever seen at this game.

[Frostimom]

Originally Posted by Light Blue Rabbit

Hi! Not an official member of the CCG, but I have read the guidelines, and I do try to abide by them.

A few days ago in Cash hq (around Jan 09?) ( or was it law hq?), only 6 or 7 toons got on, and as I am still a noob for those HQ's, and there were three or four other toons just STANDING there., I was really nervous.
..i jumped off to give us more time to get a full elevator.
Of course, that led to a wee bit of shuffling, cause with only 12 or 13 toons were there, plus unless the elevator gets empty, not everyone can get back into the elevator....so some shuffling happened, and it was my fault. Yes, I am blowing the whistle on myself.

However.....a minute or two of confusion, and then we got a FULL elevator.
Generally I abhor the shuffle more than anyone. But...it did get us a full elevator. We all danced at the end, I believe.

It just seemed so strange, to have a really good group of 7 toons, and three waiting there on the platform, ( a ton of people were still outside), and the clock got down to 1, waiting for one of those other three toons to jump on board! 7 toons all standing in the elevator squeeking (oinking, meowing, etc) 'come on!', and "lets go!", and "one more?" over and over, while three toons just stood nearby. Aggravating.

Just another point of view here. From my early Cash HQ Battles: 10 toons on the platform..split into 2 groups...6 and 4 or 5 and 5. You get my drift. I have seen numerous occasions where this was the plan...but a small toon jumped off...so realizing there was someone new (ya know that suit size does not indicate experience right?)...so 8 of the 10 did load....leaving 2 not able to run. If that happened, then you know you were running with CCG.

IF as you say there were more toons outside my question is were you loading before run time? Try waiting outside until you see the BIG rush in that happens right at run time.

COMMENT: I never could get toons in River to run with me....CCG runs gave me the opportunity to advance...it is easy to load in River once you get Hollywood, Robber Baron or Big Wig suit...and while I did battles there when getting close to maxing...I try to run with CCG to pay forward to small suits what was done for me. No one is perfect....my son on my toon (helping me on a new baby toon in Sell HQ Sunday)...hopped off the elevator when I couldn't load with him....so I am sure I have some people upset with me...things happen...please remember this is not real life..it is..a game!

[cputnal]

Hiya -

FYI - I do have a annonymous toon who I take out on occasion - he has no friends of any kind, sf, or otherwise and he is on a separate account - (technically he started out as my partner racing toon).... it is quite interesting sometimes....not particularly difficult, as long as you play with the team in mind. Yes, occasionally I get griefed/run into bad toons (hes in the 40-80 laff range at this point)....but because I'm taking my time with him, he has more than sufficient gags for that level, so people generally are reasonably nice- and then when they do a building/factory/etc. with him, they very frequently immediately try to get on my friend list. I just smile, wave and tell them "no thank you" "sorry I can't". (This is my totally stress free toon - I love my friends but sometimes I just want to quietly fish or pop off a building or two by myself)

What this tells me is that good team play coupled with reasonable patience on the gags and a cheerful attitude will win over most people almost instantly .....

Come to think of it - that's all I actually expect out of people myself...be they SF, non-SF or a non-CCGer....

Craig

[Violet Twinkletoes]

I didn't realize that using the word RANDOM would be received so negatively. Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary defines- at random :without definite aim, direction, rule, or method Random means determined by accident rather than design. Nothing negative was meant by this term. I frequently go to Mints, DA's and Factories with random toons as well. I enjoy 'the challenge' too. But for Boss fights, I prefer a more predictable outcome. Please remember this comes from a toon who never even won a bossfight until they join the CCG.

[Scooter Wondertoon]

Originally Posted by Violet Twinkletoes

I didn't realize that using the word RANDOM would be received so negatively. Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary defines- at random :without definite aim, direction, rule, or method Random means determined by accident rather than design. Nothing negative was meant by this term. I frequently go to Mints, DA's and Factories with random toons as well. I enjoy 'the challenge' too. But for Boss fights, I prefer a more predictable outcome. Please remember this comes from a toon who never even won a bossfight until they join the CCG.

Random is being used in adjective form as it relates to toons playing the game, at random having a somewhat different definition.

Webster also defines various ethnic and racial backgrounds, but if used in certain descriptive terms, it is controversial. History has proven that, and I’d be willing to bet Disney would take issue with those certain terms as well.

I’m obviously without sufficient knowledge to comment on what you consider ‘challenging’, or your preference for a ‘more predictable outcome’, or even your win/loss record with or prior to joining CCG. It is a team effort, within and outside of CCG, and I haven’t seen your manner of play.

[Lady_Trixie]

Personally, I think marbles need to be outlawed in boss battles....does anyone truely believe they will help with a level 12 cog....come on people, all you do is negate the lure bonus.....shessssssshhhhhh

[Frostimom]

Originally Posted by Violet Twinkletoes

I didn't realize that using the word RANDOM would be received so negatively. Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary defines- at random :without definite aim, direction, rule, or method Random means determined by accident rather than design. Nothing negative was meant by this term. I frequently go to Mints, DA's and Factories with random toons as well. I enjoy 'the challenge' too. But for Boss fights, I prefer a more predictable outcome. Please remember this comes from a toon who never even won a bossfight until they join the CCG.

Maybe we should define random?

When I say "a random toon" all I mean is: not someone I personally know, not on my friends list, etc.

[Little Trixie Huckleboing]

I have been amazed by some gag choices made by some toons. Before doign a boss run I dump all my gags that are not lure, throw, squirt, and toon-up. I fill those from the top as full as I can get them, focusing heavily on lure (since mine's max'ed and organic I end up luring often) and cake. And even then sometimes I end up so low on throw that I'm holding my breath wishing for a refill card.

That some toons use those spaces to carry marbles and 1 ton weights is just beyond me....

But then I still have so much fun and it's so much less stress to ride with the CCG that we can usually work with or around that toon well enough to dance at the end.

/vent off

[Just Learning Still]

I also came from the school of hard knock toons, and was well able to stand alone before a friend told me about the ccg. That toon has long ago been retired, and I play several other toons with the ccg. It is very discouraging when you load an elevator and several larger toons stand there without packing on, or someone jumps off. I would like to add that I do not go in before run times...I go right on time if not a couple minutes later then the stated time. My last runs with the ccg (happened last week at the beginning of the week) went something like this. I filled the empty space in the vp caused by shufflers, I tolerated the non stop sf chat without saying "use the speedchat", I filled the empty space left in the cj and cringed with the "sorry I am helping a friend" the shuffler stated as they jumped off (looked for the speedchat phrase "you must be lost" ), and last I stood on an elevator with two other toons in the cfo as several larger toons just stood there without packing on. Finally 9 seconds left on the timer before others finally pushed forward and packed on. My toons have took this beat down being polite as always, but have yet to return for a ccg run. This is my view of the situation, and I am sure I will return soon because the ccg is a great group of toons.