Running 2 toons in the boss battle

[Loopy Nickleswirl]

I'm curious as to what the CCG guidelines are for playing two toons at once in a CCG boss battle.

I was in a VP last week and one of the big toons played pretty bad, I was actually surprised that I made it through on my uber due to the strange gag choices. I found out later when that toon made the run report that they were playing their big toon and their uber at the same time. They stated that they brought the big toon because there were only 7 in the lobby. I noticed in a run report from last night that those same two toons went together again.

I do not think it is a good idea for one person to be running two toons in the same boss battle unless they are with friends. What is the CCG rule on this?

[Deputy Monty]

I think we had this type of dicussion before. It will take a little digging to find it and I know atm I don't have the time.

I know of more than one player who takes his/her ubers and regular toons to the runs...plays both and either alts out or puts the toon to jumping during the pie fight. I don't recall ever having a problem with him/her or many of the others I know who do it...they usually do it only to fill in the last spot and help the team get thru the cogs. I would HATE to lose these people. They're a self-regulated bunch who only do it if it's needed and if they feel they can do a good job in both battles. That is the problem ....someone might feel they are dong a good job...and not be...and another might think they are making a lot of mistakes...and others don't even know they are playing two toons.

Obviously one person does not set the guidelines and so if most of the members feel it is a detriment to the team when someone plays two toons...we can add that guideline and put it under the umbrella of "teamwork".

Originally Posted by Loopy Nickleswirl

I'm curious as to what the CCG guidelines are for playing two toons at once in a CCG boss battle.

I was in a VP last week and one of the big toons played pretty bad, I was actually surprised that I made it through on my uber due to the strange gag choices. I found out later when that toon made the run report that they were playing their big toon and their uber at the same time. They stated that they brought the big toon because there were only 7 in the lobby. I noticed in a run report from last night that those same two toons went together again.

I do not think it is a good idea for one person to be running two toons in the same boss battle unless they are with friends. What is the CCG rule on this?

[Loopy Nickleswirl]

Originally Posted by Deputy Monty

I think we had this type of dicussion before. It will take a little digging to find it and I know atm I don't have the time.

I will do some digging and see if I can find the last discussion, although I think having the discussion again would be a good thing as there are new people here who could benifit from it.

Originally Posted by Deputy Monty

Obviously one person does not set the guidelines and so if most of the members feel it is a detriment to the team when someone plays two toons...we can add that guideline and put it under the umbrella of "teamwork".

Lets hear your opinions people!

[Murky]

I remember that the last discussion ended with us chosing not to add any further guidelines to our list.

I remember that the couple people that I know who are very competent at playing two toons decided from the intensity of the attack against them that they would choose to play two only on random runs...and let the team go in short handed. Ouch.

I think that those of us who have enough trouble managing one toon, and make mistakes with one, project that same level of expertise on other people. This is unfair. The experts do exist. They win solo, they play two all the time. I think we should not be closed to them, when their heart is to help out the team.

I want to welcome the great players in the CCG. I don't want to attack them and drive them to open where criticism isn't so rampant.

Let's reopen the issue of "perfection" and "winning" as the mistaken goals of the CCG. The goal is to get everybody on the elevator, to have a chance to play.

[GrannyPickles]

I remember the discussion as well. And all though I don't run 2 toons in battle, I look forward to some of our experienced players to do it if we are on the last run, short on the elevator load. I support most who run 2 toons, there maybe one or two who do bring 2 when needed, then they may not do a very good job. But most who do play both toons do it well. So personally overall I support it.

[Loopy Nickleswirl]

Originally Posted by Good Ol' Murky Paddlefink

The experts do exist. They win solo, they play two all the time. I think we should not be closed to them, when their heart is to help out the team.

The problem is the people who are not good at playing two toons in a boss battle. In my opinion it is not fair to the team to have a player whose attention is divided between two toons.

[SpiritDuck]

Man I can't even play two toons on a trolley I would never try that. And yeah people with divided attention don't always get the battle right.

[GrannyPickles]

Loopy I would suggest maybe PMing them, see if you can kindly ask them not to do it, or suggest not to when ubers are aboard, ect. May work out nicely...

[Dizzy]

I am one that takes 2 into battle. I have been in many runs where not only did nobody know I was on two but in the run report I was thanked for my stunning. I don't alt one nor do I jump one... both of my toons pie both usually don't miss jumps. One toon (usually the lowest laff) will go in back to stun while my highest laff stays up front to drive back. While one toon is stunning, the other stands still because I can't stun from the front anyway. I've even taken a second toon in when my first toon was Miss T. Fied (39 laff). If you notice my toons are not talking to each other or thanking each other for toon up or congratulating during the dance, you can be sure I was on two toons.

That being said, it is a fine line to allow or disallow 2 in a boss battle. I've seen many a toon that took 2 in that the only way I knew they were on two was the later run report because they were so good. Or if one was jumping it was a sure giveaway. There are players, however, that feel they are good at taking 2 in and they are not. How do you tell them they aren't good? How do you allow it for one person and not another?

Personally, I would NEVER take 2 in unless toons weren't filling the elevator, but I know at least 3 individuals that only load with 2 toons (though I doubt any of the 3 would jump off a vator if both didn't get loaded). I won't take a spot from a cold caller (or even a hollywood) simply because I want to try my luck at getting a great card on 2 toons. If I get on a vator with no shuffle, I then turn my other toon around and walk out. I rarely take 2 into cfo because I feel that when the swarms happen, if people don't know you are on 2 they expect all 8 players to be stomping and/or craning and I have to alternate between the 2. VP is cake for me so I won't even bat an eyelash filling that last spot if nobody else will.

This brings us back to the discussion... should we let a vator leave short or should we fill with a second toon? Personally, I'd rather have someone on 2 toons and take the chance that they are as good as they think. I would like to believe that most players at least have the presence of mind to concentrate *mostly* on the toon that is on the side of an uber. If I have an uber in with me and I'm on 2 separate sides, I will make no mistakes on the side with an uber and would allow myself to go sad first.

[Dawggie]

Here is a link to the original discussion on running 2 toons in CCG boss fights.

Running 2 Toons In CCG Boss Fights...

[Deputy Monty]

Well said Dizzy and others of you who posted on this and reminded me of the previous discussion.

I think the umbrella guideline here is "Teamwork". After you get past the initial load where you try to balance the elevators with eight toons without shuffling them, doing whatever is within your power to get all members of the team to the dance is the only guideline necessary.

Whether you are playing one toon or two...distractions happen and so do mistakes. For instance, sometimes sf chatting is distracting because ppl are busier typing than they are watching the levels of cogs and what gag they should play. We just do what we can to minimize distractions.

As I mentioned before, I've played without any conerns or problems with many people who had two toons in the battle. I've played with people who had a toon in two different battles. Except for the fact that they were quieter than usual, it was impossible to discern.

Edit: Since the original discussion...On one occasion I took 2 toons into a boss battle. I don't remember now if it was VP or CFO and I can't remember much at all about it except that it wasn't as hard as I thought it was going to be. However, I"m quite sure the ONLY reason I did this was to have an extra body for the cog rounds.

[pixanator]

On a CFO one night, we were very short on ppl to make 6.
Aunt Kymi logged on and I asked her if she could help.
She brought herself and Toontastic.
In the Cog round, it was Aunt Kymi, Toontastic and myself.
She had Toontastic stand aside if I'm correct, and it worked out wonderfully, so maybe it's all on the person's skill?
I know I for one could cause Toontown a massive shutdown if I ever attempted to play 2 toons at once

[Loopy Nickleswirl]

I think it is pretty clear that this does not bother most people, so I won't drag this out with my concerns. I will just try and aviod the people running two toons and hope for the best

[Scout]

The concerns are vaild. However, I find the few people that run two toons are usually doing it out of the goodness in their heart. Might I add, they are pretty darn good at it too.

[Loopy Nickleswirl]

Originally Posted by Scout Mama

The concerns are vaild. However, I find the few people that run two toons are usually doing it out of the goodness in their heart. Might I add, they are pretty darn good at it too.

Just want to point out that I am aware that there are people doing this out of the goodness of their hearts. I have quite a few friends who can run two toons in boss battle and no one would ever know they are doing it. My concern is the people who are not good at it, one person in particular who has done it 3 times since Friday.