Etiquitte for Lost Causes?

[davypi]

Briefly, I do want to state that I don't have a problem taking newbies into 3 or 4 story building. One, they need to learn somehow and, two, I think it makes the game more challenging when you have to figure out how to take out a building AND protect a 20-25LP toon. However, with the exceptional difficulty of the buildings this weekend I seem to be running into a the same issue repeatedly....

For reference, I am 62 LP, Squirt & Throw L6, Drop & ToonUp L5

I've been taking out buildings today. Usually myself, somebody a little better than me, and two 20-35LP younger toons will go into the building. About 50% of the time I'm making it through, but I usually lose one of the younger toons. However, I am a smart enough guy to be able to figure out when we're not going survive. For example, in my last building we lost the other experienced toon on the third level (He took four 20+ hits in a single round. Some luck you just can't defend against.). Me and the new toons managed to squeak through the rest of the Hollywoods, but it was painfully obvious that we wouldn't be able to survive the fourth floor. They didn't have enough of the right gags and the teamwork just wasn't there.

So the other two are standing in the elevator and I say: "We are in trouble. Lets go back to the playground." And I get a "no" back from each of them. Now, on one hand, I don't want to ditch out on the other two guys who have hung in for the first three levels and want to go for the golden ring. On the other hand, I don't really want to waste my time pretending that we really have a chance getting past 6 or 7 Level Ten+ Hollywoods - its going to take at least 3 minutes to go sad an another 2-3 minutes to buy back my gags, get my LP back up, and so on. So were looking at 5-10 minutes of wasted time here, not to mention that I don't think the newbies are going to have learned when they should stop trying to exceed their limits. (This time, I went ahead and jumped in and gave it the best effort I possibly could, but we didn't make it. 15 minutes down the drain - I timed it.)

I have wasted so much time on battles that I knew couldn't be won that I really just want to wave goodbye, run back to the playground, and hope that at some point they learn their lesson. Morever, I feel grateful to the toons who say "OK" when I tell them its time to give up and go, but those toons are extremely few and far between. So what, in everyone's opinion, is the polite thing to do here? Is it OK to leave or not?

Thanks
Davy

[harvschmarv]

Yes, leave.

If my toon's going sad could help another character live, that'd be one thing.

If I'm going to an elevator with 2 dumb toons into certain death, then my presence or absence shouldn't affect their decision making skills. They'd go in anyways.

[Fluffy Frecklefoot]

Originally Posted by davypi

So the other two are standing in the elevator and I say: "We are in trouble. Lets go back to the playground." And I get a "no" back from each of them. Now, on one hand, I don't want to ditch out on the other two guys who have hung in for the first three levels and want to go for the golden ring. On the other hand, I don't really want to waste my time pretending that we really have a chance getting past 6 or 7 Level Ten+ Hollywoods - its going to take at least 3 minutes to go sad an another 2-3 minutes to buy back my gags, get my LP back up, and so on. So were looking at 5-10 minutes of wasted time here, not to mention that I don't think the newbies are going to have learned when they should stop trying to exceed their limits. (This time, I went ahead and jumped in and gave it the best effort I possibly could, but we didn't make it. 15 minutes down the drain - I timed it.)

I have wasted so much time on battles that I knew couldn't be won that I really just want to wave goodbye, run back to the playground, and hope that at some point they learn their lesson. Morever, I feel grateful to the toons who say "OK" when I tell them its time to give up and go, but those toons are extremely few and far between. So what, in everyone's opinion, is the polite thing to do here? Is it OK to leave or not?

Thanks
Davy

I think it would have been fine to have gone back to the playground. Since you were the "senior" toon in the situation they likely wouldn't have gone on without you anyway.

[Light Blue Rabbit]

your ettiquette was fine!
you gave your opinion, and explained what you were going to do....if they did not understand why, then that is also part of the learning experience!

the rude way would have been to just leave without any explanation at all, so i feel you did the right thing

i have been left unexpectedly, last time was just yesterday in the first fight of the factory, and it was weird because we were a group of 80, 100, and 60 (me being the 80), and i did not even see what the laff was for the toon who left. we had no problems at all, and no warning was given. it did not bother us at all, and maybe we were better off without them, but it is still curious about why.....and if it had been crucial that they remain with us, it would have been very rude, instead of just a curiosity....

[rubadub ducky]

Gosh ppl lighten up and take a risk, challenge yourself! Yeah you could have left but then you would have cheated yourself. ya know "No pain no gain" or "Your pain your gain"! or like MY preacher will say in church "his gain your pain"!(relating to *****)

[UMT]

Anyway you look at it, that's a tough call. I think you did the right thing by going down fighting. That shows alot of guts. It's too bad there are not more players around here like you. More than half of these new experts, and I use that term looooooooosely, would have been too scared to even enter that building. I've been in that same position many times. I'm proud to say I've NEVER bailed out.

Be proud you did what you did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't listen to the guts impaired. You never know how things might work out. The victory is worth the chance. Being a wimp never pays out.

[Weird Stubby]

I have been on both sides of the question. When playing one of my high LAF toons, I will sometimes see the same problem, and suggest we leave. If they say no, I will (almost always) go with them. No big deal if I lose, and they should learn something. Go for it! My only exception is if I end up in the factory with a couple of very low laffers with very weak gags and no toonup. There is no chance they will make it - or that I will. So I will tell them to leave, say it again, and then go no matter what. If they are medium-low and have a little toonup, I'll give it a try, and often lose, but so what?

I also play a Low LAF toon (38) and before he got maxed gags, I would sometimes run into trouble in the Factory with a toon who had decided it was ok to go with me. If they ask to leave early, I will weigh my chances, and if they are NOT better than 50%, I will say OK and leave. If they are better than 50%, I'll just say "I have enough gags!" and "Let's go fight the cogs!" and see if they will stay. If they repeat that they want to leave, fine. They were helping me more than the other way around (usually.)

So baring unusual circumstances, I go for it - just like I would if I am going solo. What's to lose by a coule of minutes? The thrill of victory is so much nicer than the feeling of running.

[Fluffy Frecklefoot]

Originally Posted by UMT

Anyway you look at it, that's a tough call. I think you did the right thing by going down fighting. That shows alot of guts. It's too bad there are not more players around here like you. More than half of these new experts, and I use that term looooooooosely, would have been too scared to even enter that building. I've been in that same position many times. I'm proud to say I've NEVER bailed out.

Be proud you did what you did!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Don't listen to the guts impaired. You never know how things might work out. The victory is worth the chance. Being a wimp never pays out.

I've only run 3 times. Once with secret friends when one had forgotten to gag and we were going to camp the building. Once a long time ago with 2 non-sf's on the 4th of a 5 in DDL. We went to the playground, gagged and went back in and did the building. Once in the factory when I was by myself and the goons got me numerous times (I've a fatal attraction to goons apparently.) I've been sad many times and I will take little toons in buildings by myself if I think there's a ghost of a chance that we can make it. But I still think that if you have absolutely no chance you can always run, get more gags, and try again. Then again, I am very far from being a Toontown expert. And yes, he should be proud of what he did. All toons who help little toons in tough spots should be proud because it shows that they have not only guts but heart as well.

[Super Thundercrash]

Seems to me those lowtoons have the right spirit at least. Something they will need later for the VP. NEVER SAY DIE....or is it NEVER SAY SAD!!! You need people like that. When they "grow up" you will be glad they didn't. I've gone sad as well by staying and I've always stayed. They feel bad for not listening but they learned a lesson when a highlaff goes sad.