ATTN:Lure+Sound=GOOD!

[bcb]

Well, I have seen it miss before. Maybe you've changed my mind. The only thing you have to lose is if both gags miss. I guess you're right. You've changed my mind.

[Phillies]

Originally Posted by Wolfeh

I'd like to mention another method of strategy that should seem rather common sense, but a lot of people seem to have no clue about, and that is the use of level 7 gags. When you are faced with level 12 cogs and someone whips out a level 7 gag, except for train and ship, SOUND IS THE WRONG SUPPORTING GAG CHOICE. With train, someone lures and then at least 1 person trunks (and last person can use TU if necessary). With ship, use lure (optional) + sound + ship. But do NOT use sound for cake nor geyser. It's real simple. With wedding cake, lure + bdcake 2 different 12's, then the wedding cake will finish them off. On the chance that lure misses, the 2 bdcakes can still help (think same gag-track bonus points here). Same with the use of the geyser. Put that sound away, because all you're doing is increasing the odds that the level 7 gag will miss. Also, even with all 12's lured, an organic wedding cake will NOT kill a set of 12's on it's own, even with the knock back bonus. Even a cupcake helping will get those extra 2 points needed to kill off the entire set. So please, don't see "lure + wedding cake, I can just pass since the other person is using TU". No, at least 1 supporting throw gag is necessary for it to work.

Yeppp, I was in a CFO yesterday, and some dude used Wedding cake. Then some genius used elephant. All 3 of us were telling her no, but she insisted on yelling at us like we were wrong. But luckily, the wedding cake hit, and 3 out of 4 of the cogs died.(One was a lvl 12, other 3 were lvl 10's and 11's.)

Sound+Wedding Cake/Geyser=VERY BAD!!

[Leonardo__mm]

My partner used a fog horn at 80 hit points on a level 12 and it was lured and there was 4 of them in the VP!

WE LOST AT THE SAME TIME ME AND MY 3 FRINEDS!

[Phillies]

Originally Posted by Leonardo__mm

My partner used a fog horn at 80 hit points on a level 12 and it was lured and there was 4 of them in the VP!

WE LOST AT THE SAME TIME ME AND MY 3 FRINEDS!

Well, that was stupid....That has nothing to do with the point I am trying to make though.

[Leonardo__mm]

Well When You Fight Fire With Fire All You Get Is A Bigger Fire!

[Phillies]

Dude, I don't think you have any idea what you are talking about. Did you read all the posts in this thread? What you are talking about is like in a whole different book.

[marioman156]

well most people don't know if a cog is gonna die on one sound blow but the lure and then sound is good because if it misses then u can try again..but still i think it's unreliable if u don't know if it will die or not otherwise very good

[Phillies]

Originally Posted by marioman156

well most people don't know if a cog is gonna die on one sound blow but the lure and then sound is good because if it misses then u can try again..but still i think it's unreliable if u don't know if it will die or not otherwise very good

Most people just have to do the math sometimes. It's really not that diffucult. Some people are either slow, lazy, dumb, or a combination of both/all. If people would stop and think then this strategy is a great one.(IMO) But, I guess, they will eventually learn. I know that a lot of people don't know what kills what, and that's understandable. I just wish more people would think about what they are doing more often.

[Coolchewbaca]

Originally Posted by Leonardo__mm

Well When You Fight Fire With Fire All You Get Is A Bigger Fire!

No you don't, the fire burns everything around the other fire, then there's nothing left to burn, killing both fires.

[Fireball Mcmonkey]

I was going through a factory with 3 other high lvl laff toons and they were using sound & defeating all the cogs. I didn't have sound, so naturally I used throw or squirt on the highest lvl cog in the round hoping if sound didn't destroy it first, I would finish the job. The other toons were so nice, they realized I was a low laffer & didn't have sound & encouraged me to "Use a different gag" because mine were inneffective. I got the hint and started to Lure & they still used Sound. They started to applaud & say, "Woo-hoo!" because I was getting skill credit instead of going thru the whole factory for nothing. Those guys were nice, too bad I didn't get their names.

Anyway, don't forget about organic gags & how they affect cogs. Organic lures are more accurate. I didn't realize Sound damage was increased when u hit a lured cog. I knew throw & squirt damage was increased on a lured cog.

[bcb]

Originally Posted by Coolchewbaca

No you don't, the fire burns everything around the other fire, then there's nothing left to burn, killing both fires.

ROTFL. Phillies is right. She means lure plus sound (such as an opera and two fogs) on level 12's will increase safety. If sound misses and lure doesn't all bad that happens is that there is one less fog horn for three players. The lure still can work. The only problem is if neither work. And, what are the odds of that?

[Phillies]

Originally Posted by bcb

ROTFL. Phillies is right. She means lure plus three fog horns on level 12's will increase safety. If sound misses and lure doesn't all bad that happens is that there is one less fog horn for three players. The lure still can work. The only problem is if neither work. And, what are the odds of that?

No, no, no! 3 fogs will not kill lvl 12's. Luring in that case is a big no-no!

That is NOT what I am saying at all. I'm saying only lure when you know the cogs will all be defeated. (To increase the accuracy of sound.)

[Wolfeh]

Originally Posted by marioman156

well most people don't know if a cog is gonna die on one sound blow but the lure and then sound is good because if it misses then u can try again..but still i think it's unreliable if u don't know if it will die or not otherwise very good

Many people know a few simple things, and it's evident by how they play. Level 8 = 4 ele or 1fog+2ele, 9 = 1fog+2ele, 10 = 1fog+3ele (or 2 fog+1bugle or better, but that's wasteful), 11 = 2 fog + 2 aoogah(or better) or 3 fog(wasteful), 12 = 3fog + 1aoogah or better.

In CJ, I'll lure if I see fog+2ele and the highest level is a 9. If the highest I see come out next is a 10, then I'll offer to do the fog (balance the usage out) since I lured before. When with a good group, the turns go very very smoothly. Then we usually do something different for the 12's, then resume back to sound.

Originally Posted by Fireball Mcmonkey

Anyway, don't forget about organic gags & how they affect cogs. Organic lures are more accurate. I didn't realize Sound damage was increased when u hit a lured cog. I knew throw & squirt damage was increased on a lured cog.

No, the only thing increased is the accuracy of the sound hitting. Sound doesn't get any form of extra bonus on lured cogs. The only bonus you can get on sound is from 2 or more toons using sound at the same time.

[bcb]

Originally Posted by Phillies

No, no, no! 3 fogs will not kill lvl 12's. Luring in that case is a big no-no!

That is NOT what I am saying at all. I'm saying only lure when you know the cogs will all be defeated. (To increase the accuracy of sound.)

Sorry, I read it minutes ago and kind of loss memory of details. I know 3 fogs won't beat a lvl 12 (or three). But, yeah I know that. (Boy, after reading my post I sound dumb) Oh well. I'm going to edit my post.

[Fireball Mcmonkey]

How do u get the quote in the box from a previous post into your reply?