Fishing Science

[Tinkercat]

Good answers and I find the history behind the fishing problems interesting. I am glad the Red Herring is not among the fish I am catching.

tink

[WeirdZippyGooglenerd]

The solution is simple. If you need a particular fish, use this forum or TUFFS to find a pond where many others have caught it before and go there. If you do not catch it in a few minutes or hours, just keep fishing. If you get tired of fishing you have to evaluate how badly you want to be a maxed toon. The good news is, that with the rule of probability, you can stop fishing and not hurt your chances. Thinking that the fish will be the next one pulled out after you stop will only drive you insane.

[mikehern]

Using that logic and probablity, then it is possible that the fish could never be caught.

[varmint]

Originally Posted by Batleth
The boot is a way for us to loose JBs otherwise fishing would be way too profitable. I don't believe there is any red herrings as far as the boots are concerned. There may still be a few bugs in their system, but most have been worked out.

I'm not sure about a boot bug being fixed.....LOL

I caught 4 boots in a row last night and have one toon {Mouse} (steel rod / 57 species) that seems to catch more boots that my other toon {Rabbit} (steel rod / 56 species). I have been averaging 4.5 boots per bucket and have gotten has many as 8 while fishing for a bucket. I catch 3 in a row often and in the last two nights have been fishing in different ponds than the Brrrgh playground (usual hang out) and the same has been true so it doesn't appear to be location specific.

The Rabbit catches more Star species while the Mouse catches more Dog, Bear and Piano species. My wife's toon {Duck} (steel rod / 58 species) catches less boots and more jelly bean jars.... she caught 3 jars out of 4 casts last night at one point (2 jars , Upright Piano, jar on Alto Ave). The Duck catches more Piano, Nurse and Shark species and usually has more Jellies per bucket than my two toons. We usually fish together at the same pond and sometimes rotate docks just for the fun of it.

I do see trends based on what toon we are using.... we don't fish for hours either....usually we'll get 4 or 5 buckets and move onto fighting cogs. The last two nights we have fished for more than an hour each night since we are close to 60 (and want jellies for Speedway) and we noticed the same trends as we did while fishing for the 4 or 5 buckets.

I understand math and programming (IT / Software developer - not for Disney or any company related to them) and wonder if there aren't profiles being set that would allow a toon to catch a greater number of one or more types of fish than others. The trends I see are strong and consistent.....

There is nothing random when dealing with computers..... there is always a expression / algorithm that will generate "random numbers".....LOL

I haven't read all of the fish related posts but wonder if there were any data based upon Toon types (if one type of toon caught more of one species than another) and/or what was the first species caught by a toon and if it had any impact on trends....the first 'random' fish caught or bucket could set your profile.... just a thought.

FYI - our toons were "born" this year in the Jan / Feb timeframe.... could the month / day a toon was created have an impact......too many variables to track.

Thanks to all of those who helped create the Fishing Guide....

Good Luck and Happy Fishing!!!!

[DCL]

Originally Posted by WeirdZippyGooglenerd

The solution is simple. If you need a particular fish, use this forum or TUFFS to find a pond where many others have caught it before and go there. If you do not catch it in a few minutes or hours, just keep fishing. If you get tired of fishing you have to evaluate how badly you want to be a maxed toon. The good news is, that with the rule of probability, you can stop fishing and not hurt your chances. Thinking that the fish will be the next one pulled out after you stop will only drive you insane.

I know I'm resurecting an old thread, but it is pinnined, so it should keep going.

Accually that is not the fastest way to catch a particular fish. The easiest way is what oyu said. The fastest wa takes more searching, but you ctach the fish alot faster. The fastest catch would be to ifnd the pond with least fish other than that species. It doenst matter what rod you ahve, you still should count all species. For example:

DCL is after a front perch. More people have caught it on Ladybug Lane than on Parachute place. You can get 13 (including boots and JB jars) other fish on ladybug lane, and it's more known to fishertoons. But on parachute place, there are only 8(yet again including jars and boots) other fish possible. DCL went to parachute place, and caught the fish within the hour. Bob went to Ladybug Lane and had to fish there for 6 hours to catch the front perch.

[Scout]

LOL!!!


Great reading, HEHE.

What are my chances of being struck by lightning?

~Houlihan~65 Species~

[jellybeans]

Last year on my high laff toon, I couldn't catch the devil ray with steel or golden rod. Then the account was cancelled. We just started new account again and I caught the Devil Ray with bamboo rod. It was in Brrgh during Bingo night. What was my odd? I was fishing in the high district about 1 am hawaii time. I have hardwood rod now with 52 species.

[auntiejen]

I was reading really well then got sidetracked when they said they was saving beans for goofy speedway, sorry its gonna be another 'money' system of tickets there, but to the most recent poster, i think we can almost compare it to a deck of cards, and I think right after the game has under gone maintence then comes back we have better chances of catching anything new...

[Baron Von Mizzenjinks]

Originally Posted by auntiejen

I was reading really well then got sidetracked when they said they was saving beans for goofy speedway, sorry its gonna be another 'money' system of tickets there, but to the most recent poster, i think we can almost compare it to a deck of cards, and I think right after the game has under gone maintence then comes back we have better chances of catching anything new...

I don't agree with this maitenance theory you throw out at all. People are lazy and all the programming that went into fishing is mostly likely simple odds. You have a 1:50000 chance to catch the devil ray for example. This never changes with anything including rods, ponds, whatever. Sure some fish they may have made more complicated but I think this basic idea is all it is. You guys just love to make things more complicated than they really are. This is human nature, people find meanings in books and movies that the writers/directors had never even thought of. You guys are doing the same exact things with toontown fishing. Just keep that in mind.

I think fish are only programmed on a very small number of varibles. Most fish are only programmed to be different odds based on pond. It is my opinion that rod and anything else you can think up has nothing to do with odds at all.

Now that I think about it, I think this is how toontown does it:

Every single fishing pond has a set of fish that can be caught there and a certain odds for catching it there.

For example the only factor playing into what fish you can catch is this:

TTC Playground

Starfish 1:3
Clown Fish 1:5
Nurse Shark 1:50
All Star Fish 1:50000
Devil Ray 1:50000

Etc. Etc.

They have that for every pond and that is the ONLY factor in determining what fish you catch. The argument for that fact that rod and weight doesn't matter is you seem to be just as likely to catch a 16-20 lbs. fish with a steel rod as a gold rod. Therefore it seems like the weight of the fish and the rod you are using does not matter at all. The only thing that matters is what I have stated above.

This is a very simple way to program the fishing and therefore I think it is the correct one.

Another thing to think about is, let's talk about the odds of the Grand Piano Tuna for example. They could look something like this:

MML PG: 1:50000
Alto: 1:45000
Baritone: 1:50000
Tenor: 1:50000
All other: ----

OR

MML PG: 1:60000
Alto: 1:40000
Baritone: 1:50000
Tenor: 1:55000
All other: ----

OR

MML PG: 1:50000
Alto: 1:50000
Baritone: 1:50000
Tenor: 1:50000
All other: ----

This is probably the only place Disney programmers had any "fun" in programming the rarity of fish. They might have made the rarity slightly different in ponds. HOWEVER, my opinion is they are too indifferent or lazy to do this and the most likely reality is the third example with the second example the least likely. PERHAPS the reality is like the first example but our perception that Alto is more likely could be totally fictitious. When the odds to catch something are 1:50000 (just a good estimate for an example I'm using) and with the very limited amount of catches we have, it is IMPOSSIBLE and STUPID to think we have any idea that one street may be more likelier than the other. For us to have any certainty of this we would have to have thousands and thousands upon more catches and data. If a couple people decided to fish on Baritone until they caught Grand Piano then the data that Alto is more likely could be totally skewed. Though I am no expert on this latest issue I have been talking about so if Batleth could clarify why he thinks Alto is most likely for the Grand Piano this would helpful to me.

Okay, I am starting to get bored of the topic of toontown fishing so I'll leave it at this for right now.

Any comments on my post would be appreciated. And feel free to totally disagree or correct me where my logic or data is wrong.

Oh yeah and I have been using the Grand Piano as an example just because that is the fish I am trying to catch at this time, haha. I am 110 laff with 65 species by the way. I need the Grand Piano Tuna, Grizzly Bear Acuda, Full Moon Fish, Devil Ray, and Concord Grape PB&J Fish (that's as of 9/27/05). I've been fishing for the Grand Piano for awhile now but probably only for about 10,000 fish so I feel no reason to be annoyed yet. I find the people who get mad after not catching it after a week amusing, it's not going to be that easy guys, Disney wants you to keep playing and keep paying!

[Stimpy]

Baron Von Mizzenjinks, you seem to be a bit overly upset with the entire fishing thing. I read your post and I saw several parts where it looked as if you were insulting us, when in fact we didn't even make the game. And you seem so certain with your theory and say that ours are completely wrong... But, take a look at what you said in your post that is actually proving your theory to be no more likely than anyone else's...

Originally Posted by Baron Von Mizzenjinks

For us to have any certainty of this we would have to have thousands and thousands upon more catches and data.

[Baron Von Mizzenjinks]

I am sorry if I came off as insulting to other theories as that was not my intention. Though I will admit I like my theory more than others but that's why it is my theory. I just think the toontown programmers are too lazy to program any of the complex fishing theories being thrown around.

I didn't mean to be rude and like I said, I don't mind if you disagree with me.

But you are partly right that I seem overly upset about toontown fishing. I do tend to come off as overly upset when I write things. I really don't care that much though. The thing I'm most annoyed with is it takes countless hours to get all 70 fish and getting the 70 fish is basically pointless and yet I am obessed with getting the 70 anyway.

[Shaylarein]

You guys had WAY too much time on your hands to think about this so much.

[Batleth]

Originally Posted by Shaylarein

You guys had WAY too much time on your hands to think about this so much.

What else is there to do when your fishing..lol.

I go for the simple theories. They seem to be harder to prove or disprove. Most theories that are long and involved I can disprove in a couple days on several toons..lol.

[MichaelMONK]

Originally Posted by Batleth

What else is there to do when your fishing..lol.

I go for the simple theories. They seem to be harder to prove or disprove. Most theories that are long and involved I can disprove in a couple days on several toons..lol.

I heard that lol. Agreed

[TOTWU2005]

Yay! finally people of my own kind(math and tt fishing)...

Anyways, I'd say you guys have a point in fishing, but why don't we interrogate a tt member staff...MUHAHAHAHAHAHA(oops not g-rated)

I'm wondering about the cast and luck increase...for example:
If you cast 100 times, a fish that has a chance of 1:6000 becomes 1:5999, (and that's for all uncaught fish) and so on until you get a new species and reset...wonder if that's possible