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09-09-2007, 04:08 PM
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Just marking that I have included all of the above results into the database.
The Dogfather
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09-12-2007, 05:25 AM
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I have included these into the database, but from what you are saying I'm guessing they are not in the right order? If I am reading this incorrectly, I will leave them as I have put them into the database, if not, can you please orient them correctly? I would greatly appreciate it sooooo much. Thank you so much! The Dogfather
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09-12-2007, 07:43 AM
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I'm not sure if you still need data, but here are my fishing stats just incase you can use them.
#61 - All Star - About 1,000 fish. #62 - Devil Ray - About 500 fish. #67 - Full Moon - 25,000 fish. #68 - Concord - 20,000 fish. #69 - Grizzly - 22,000 fish. #70 - Grand - 2,000 fish. Total amount was a little over 70,000 fish. Btw, nice job. I was thinking about doing something like this before, but I'm to lazy  . Thanks for the data.
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09-12-2007, 07:01 PM
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09-13-2007, 08:27 PM
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I think y'all are crazy!
I don't know how many hours or buckets it took me to get to 65. What about the fact that some think you are luckier after a laff point increase? Or a boss battle? I don't think so. It is all luck people! Random luck! You gotta be in the right place at the right time, during a full moon on a holiday, standing on your head, with your shirt inside out, & only touch the mouse with your left hand while sneezing! Oh & your socks hafta be on the wrong feet! LOL! It took 2 years of fishing, on average 10 buckets a day, to get numba 65, which was the all star. I got excited & caught the full moon & devil ray the following weekend. That weekend I made top toons twice. So roughly 5,000 fish later, I guess? After a year & making top toons for fishing again twice in same week, I got the grizzly while waiting for a friend to get out of a DA. SURPRIZE SURPRIZE! That was 6 months ago. I fish at least an hour a day sometimes more sometimes less, from every dock high & low & I am in a major slump. So if anyone sees a Grand piano or a Concord throw him back please!
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09-21-2007, 03:21 PM
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Well good luck on the Grand and Concord, took me forever to get my Concord. Have fun! The Dogfather
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10-23-2007, 02:04 PM
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Pigs CAN Fly
After weeks of searching, I finally caught that elusive Concord yesterday. I just want to say, Mr. Dogfather Sir, that your charts and graphs make you a toon after my own heart. I reviewed them daily to keep inspired. I still am not 100% convinced that it is purely random. It seems NOTHING is random in this game. Observe, even if another toon comes to the fishing hole with you how the fish KNOW to swim away. And I was wondering during my countless hours of fishing (and occasionally wondering if I could just use my TNT to blast that concord out of the water), why would toon town bother maintaining records of how many fish you catch? I mean, they tell you at some point that you have a new record number of X fish. That seems like a lot of extra programming for no particular reason. It's not like you get additional trophies or jellybeans. So why bother maintaing that information unless you, as toontown, are using it in some fashion. I also noted some posts that indicate that each district is an identical copy of the other. But, have you ever noticed that Fisherman Frizzy in the Brrgh, for instance, wears different outfits depending on your district? I think she has a total of 6, it may be 7. You have to imagine at some point programmers have to make decisions about what to do in a game. Why bother changing the outfits district to district. But, it's not even random. Not all the fisherman have different outfits, like I said there are about 6 of them (which changes daily, btw) and are evenly spaced. What's behind that programming decision? Perhaps I've just spend entirely too much time at the watering hole.
 It is truly an honor to meet the man behind the dog, as it were. We're played together many times, and you are a great asset to the toon town experience. Thank you for all your hard work in putting those statistics together. I think I can speak for many and say they are much appreciated. Crazy Violet Bumblefidget, Brick Mouse, Duck Season, Little Bonkers
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10-24-2007, 06:27 AM
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Updated the stats by adding probability section.
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I have updated the thread and added a probabilities section, been meaning to for the last few weeks, LOL. I agree with you that nothing in this game seems to be random. Although you are right about the different districts, and you might also be right about TT changing how fishing works and that is why they maybe keep track of our fishing, but we will never know. All we have is what we can investigate, and from my point of view, fishing is random. Although each fish does have a probability factor instilled, but anyone of us can catch any of these fish in 1 cast or in 1,000 casts. That is the randomness of it. I'm sure we will never get the truth about how fishing works, but its fun to try and figure it out. Dont worry about spending too much time at the watering hole and going crazy, because any one of us that has maxed fishing felt as if we might be going over the edge, LOL. There is an end, and it will come, just be patient and keep at it. Perseverance is such a great virtue which ultimately leads to great achievements. Your time will come and when it does, please let me know. I would appreciate it. Again thanks for your comments and inspiring me to finish posting the probability section. The Dogfather
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10-24-2007, 06:38 AM
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Wow! I just got done reading some of your stats on the fishing. I have no clue as to how many fish I needed to catch or how many buckets I had or where I was
 So sorry I can't be of any help. I had no idea that it takes so much to catch a fish! I'm stuck at 63 right now and after reading this, I'm kind of weary on going back to fishing, I don't think I'll ever catch them! lol But I did want to say thank you for posting this, now I have some clue as to what I'm in for.
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10-25-2007, 11:40 PM
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Next Topic
It would be interesting to find out WHERE people are catching the most fish...guess another topic for this.
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10-27-2007, 03:46 AM
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Caught 70
Dogfather--I'm sorry I wasn't clear in my last post. Looking for the Concord WAS my final accomplishment--I caught all 70! Sadly, I don't have a screenshot of it. I had answered the phone and kept fishing and 7 fish later caught it and didn't even realize it. Sad, huh. Well, all I know is never again will I contemplate tying the fishing line around my neck during countless hours of fishing. Of course, I also said never again when I maxed my first toon and now have three other toons on their way to maxing (without fishing, of course). Unfortunately, it did not occur to me to track the amount of fish I caught as I didn't discover your attempts to track it until about 3 weeks ago. I only know that the total to catch the final four was about 70,000 as I was the top toon for fishing for over a month with each day catching between 5,000-7,000. I was thinking if you wanted to get a more accurate assessment of the fishing situation, you might do well to send one toon to each district on one day and just have them fish in the same playground or street location looking for the same fish and see what happens. Following that test, you might want to take 4 toons all looking for the same fish and have them fish together and see what happens. I know in one post they indicated that 5 people were looking for the Concord, I believe, it may have been the Grizzly, and all of them caught it that night within minutes of each other. You have to figure that Toontown would know you were looking for that fish. If it was truly not random, perhaps fishing in a group would give you a greater chance of catching them. I'm not much into conspiracy theories, but after that long fishing expedition, I'm beginning to think conspiracy....
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10-30-2007, 09:28 PM
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That test would be great to try, just not sure who will be willing to hang around for some time (days/weeks, yikes!!) fishing for those stinky fish. It is possible that TT might tweak the system every so often and make it seem as if there is a pattern to it all, but I just dont think they would put that much effort into making something that by itself is a mystery: randomness and probabilities. Making it filled with random probabilities makes it easy for them to code and randomness just helps put all of these theories into play because some catch the fish fast while others slow. Random probabilities is just the perfect culprit for making people think (and think and think and think) and try to figure out when in fact there is no pattern whatsoever. The Dogfather
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10-31-2007, 03:29 AM
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My Turn to Fish
I'm at 64 fish. I got my 3rd key and 129lp so it's time to get serious about the fishing.
Dog Father, you truly are the best poster here. I enjoy all the information that you freely spread and you personally have made my ToonTown experience a much more enjoyable challenge. Your clever yet polite wit to your critics is a blast. When I was a much smaller toon, I ran up to you in the Burr, You were so nice and chatted with me for a minute. That made me so happy and influenced the way I interact with the baby toons to this day since my lp number is much higher. I am going to keep records for your database. I think we are possibly missing something with the fishing analysis. I have my racing trophy sheet, Golfing sheet, gardening sheet, and fishing sheets on my desk. On all of them, you must complete the smallest category/task first... then move to the next. I can not imagine that fishing has taken a path of it's own to random probability. Nothing in this game, that I have seen, is random. Could it be possible that you need to catch (X) number of fish in Toontown central, (2X) number of fish in Donald’s Dock. (3X) number....; I know you get where I'm going. I remember reading that you mentioned you caught around 70,000 fish, is it possible that during the course of getting those 70,000 you fulfilled the lower playground tasks unknowingly. I have seen maxed toons that (I think in your thread) said that they completed fishing in no where near that. Another possibility. I've been fishing my Toon brains out and got nothing!!! I just jumped 3 lps. I just caught 4 New Records and a new Species (#64) in 5 buckets. Is it possible that certain Species are only available if your lp is a minimum of (X)+(right pond)+(right rod)=(success)? Has anyone maxed fishing with a low LP or before Maxing the HQs? I don't think anyone has addresses that... Please don't get me wrong here... I am your FAN not your critic. I am sure that you were not satisfied when you proclaimed random probability. I too was not satisfied. There is something here that we have not uncovered yet. I am going to spend some time thinking about this and I hope I have inspired some different trains of thought for you. I truly appreciate the time and effort in you lists and posts; most of them are saved on my desktop… I am 129lp, maxed except with 1lp left at - racing, golf, and fish. I need Concord, Siamese, All Star, Devil Ray, Full Moon, and Grizzly Bear. If you can think of a pattern to the fishing that has not been tried; I’d be happy to be the tester. I will keep perfect records. If you have any ideas, please let me know…. Your Fan, Deputy Mac
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10-31-2007, 05:42 AM
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Its my pleasure to make any situation enjoyable and I really enjoy passing any or all information I have. I like to help as many people as I can. I am also glad to see that my attitude has been passed onto other people such as yourself about how to treat other toons , especially new toons. It really makes a difference in the game when you have a group of toons that just have the right attitude. Our life we have is not only determined by our experiences, but also by the attitude we bring to life. Quote:
You do come up with a good point, because that is the way I used to think that fishing was setup. I thought there was a pattern to it all because some of my stats actually were very close to what some of my friends had. If you read my Fishing Tips and Stats thread, you will see that I thought there was a particular pattern. I thought that it was depending on Fish Position and that there was a set amount of fish required before catching a new species within each Fish Position. It wasnt until I ran these averages that it made more sense that these numbers were way too random. When I say way too random is if you look at Table 1, you will see that the standard deviations are almost as large as the average fish values. When a large deviation is observed in statistics it signifies that there is no specific pattern to it, just random. Quote:
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Well actually, I do remember reading in another fan site that no longer exists that a 20 something laffer was maxed in fishing (70 fish). This toon was at very low laff (approximatley 17 or 18) when he started fishing and decided to gain the remaining laff points from fishing. Not sure how true it was, because I myself never observed that toon in TT, but it seemed valid due to what others were posting. Quote:
When I realized that there was no set pattern of fish requirements for either species or fish position, I was definitely disappointed. I was not ready to state random probability, especially for the fact that I spent lots of time looking at the data sets I did receive. I really wanted to find a set pattern for fishing and have a great answer for this mystery, but the data does point to probabilities and nothing else. You are right and there could be some variable that everyone has overlooked, including me, that could be skewing the data towards randomness. If so, I am not sure if we are capable of discovering that due to our limitations on TT. I applaud you for looking further into it. If you do think of something, please let me know and I will work with you to test something new. It will be great working with you. Good luck on your remaining fish. I know it’s a hard task ahead, but just keep your head up and persevere. It might seem like a long haul, but just know that with every cast the closer you are to completing it all. Eventually, even through random probability, you are likely to catch them all. If there is anything I may have missed, please let me know .Off Topic - 500th Post Yay!!!! The Dogfather
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11-08-2007, 06:17 PM
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plz tell me where devil ray is
i have like 60 fish and a gold rod and i need to find the rest because they are probably rare im missing: the last pp&j fish, devil ray, a couble moon fish, the last bear acuda, a couple piano tuna, and the one of the three nurse sharks. plz PM me a list of where to find each type of these fish and PLZ tell me what they are
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