7 and 8 bean combos - how to find them

[DudleyBlueDog]

All the 6 bean combos have been found but,
To my knowledge no one has found any 7 or 8 bean combos for planting flowers.
This is not surprising since there are 4,782,969 possible 7 bean combos and
43,046,721 possible 8 bean combos (531,441 6 bean combos).

The color of the first bean is known for all the flowers


To summarize first bean colors for 7 and 8 bean combos:

7 Bean
Red - Rose
Yellow - Daisy
Cyan - Lily
Pink or Violet - Carnation or Tulip
Blue - Petunia

8 Bean
Red - Rose
Yellow - Daisy
Cyan - Lily
Violet or Pink - Tulip or Carnation
Blue - Petunia

Once the 7 bean first colors are known then the 8 beans are known

The beans after the first bean must determine the flower's variety. I call these beans (all the beans excluding the first) the Variety Beans.

The gang is already hard at work on the brut force method of trying all 1,572,864 Variety bean combinations for 7 bean flowers.

I can't see many clues to the Variety Bean's colors (I hope someone will) but I've made some observations about the bean colors excluding the first:

In only one 4 bean and no 5 or 6 bean combos are the beans all different colors.
In no case are there more than 3 different colors in a set of variety beans.
The predominate color of the flower tends to be the same as the predominate color of the Variety Beans.

So I would try all the combinations that are predominately a color not yet used. For example, try for a 7 bean yellow lily:
The first bean is cyan.
Try all combinations of the Variety Beans (next 6 beans) that have four yellows and then have 3 yellows

Try for a 7 bean blue lily
Try for a violet daisy
A green rose
and so on

There are 11,249 combinations of Variety Beans with three or more of them yellow and 1,009 combinations with four or more yellow for a 7 bean flower. Hey, it's better than the half a million for 6 beans, 9 colors.

If you don't use silver beans then there are 7,638 combinations with three or more the same color and 778 with four or more the same color (for seven bean flower, 6 variety beans) compared to 262,144 combinations of 8 colors, 6 beans.

I bet there's a more deterministic pattern for Variety Bean colors so...

Calling all you smart and/or intuitive toons: start thinking/contemplating and share your ideas!!

Thanks to Sammi (Lisa) for pointing out that first bean color matches species

Maybe Disney will give us clues (anybody heard any?).
Maybe we should start a fund to bribe an insider!

Post Your Ideas Here!!

[Miss_Tree_Toon]

This topic is covered in a very well prepared thread.

Just click search and enter SPOILER ... you'll find it.

If you are already working 7 beans, follow that thread and wait. If you are going to help, post your FINDS and NO FINDS there. So that everyone can find it easily... The thread has been stickied so it won't go away anytime soon.

Also, it would be helpful, if you are trying to figure a 7 bean, to follow their pattern assignments. Its working out beautifully.

Happy Hauntings

[DudleyBlueDog]

I should have known that the sharp toons on this site would have already figured out the first bean's color and they are already well along in brut force decoding. I think its still going to take a long time to find em that way.
I edited my post, leaving the part I feel is still relevant

[mamasparkleface]

Hi Dudley,

I'll bite!

I'm with you on this....

I've been watching the beans for flowers for patterns and it seems to me that they do follow a pattern....

What I'm seeing is that after the first variety bean, like you said the bean colors are matching what the flower is. Too bad Disney didn't post pictures of their flowers in their toon guide like they have of the fish species.

That would make it too easy tho....

I'll use the Marzi Pansy as an example of the pattern that *I* am seeing....
okay since this is a 4 bean combo it fits nicely...

It starts with the anchor bean of orange...
the flower itself has a double yellow of petals hence the two yellow beans abd a red center which goes right along with the final red bean.

I see the cyan bean as a filler and a few other things. I will break down flower by flower what I am seeing. This is fun :-) I am ignoring the anchor bean in my observations.

Daffy Dill -- the cyan bean is filler
Chim Pansy --the cyan bean is filler
Instant Carnation -- one yellow bean for solid yellow flower
Lazy Daisy -- one red bean, as there is no pink and as there is only one bean left after the anchor they went with red as it is the predominent color in the flower
Lily Pad -- green, primary flower color

Midsummer Daisy -- I don't quite understand this one, my best guess is that they are making white by using all different colors, isn't white a reflection of all the colors in the spectrum? And cyan is not used as it is a filler bean. That's my guess....
Potsen Pansy -- 2 reds for solid red flower.
Summer's Last Rose -- 2 reds for solid red flower
Hybrid Carnation -- 2 reds for solid red flower
Tiger Lily -- 2 oranges for primarily orange flower

It gets a lot tougher on the rest of them.....and my brain is too tired to ponder anymore right now. But I think there is definate reasoning behind the color beans used and it is fun to try to crack the code.

I definately give kudos to those hard working toons who are finding the species the old fashioned way!

Mama Sky Rocken Roxy

[mamasparkleface]

Well, I went back and looked over the spreadsheet verison of known combos (was looking at a chart with pictures of the flowers in it also, previously) and now I see other patterns.

While it wouldn't be helpful for the work thats being done already I sure wish I could plant 7 bean combos to experiment with all the ideas running rampant in my head!

Toodles

Mama Sky Rocken Roxy

[DudleyBlueDog]

There are pictures of three flowers in the Official Guide that have not appeared in the combos so far (thru 6 bean): Violet Daisy, Blue Rose and Pink Petunia. We assume that these will be 7 or 8 bean flowers (but we don't know which).

We could go on the assumption that at least three of the variety beans will be the flower's color and maybe four.
We assume that no silver beans are used.

I propose that the best chance of finding first 7 bean flower is as follows:
Try for the Violet Daisy with four or more violet variety beans (778 combinations).
Try for the Blue Rose with four or more blue variety beans (778 combinations).
Try for the Pink Petunia with four or more pink variety beans (778 combinations).
Try for Violet Daisy with 3 and only 3 violet variety beans (6860 combinations).
Try for Blue Rose with 3 and only 3 blue variety beans (6860 combinations).
Try for Pink Petunia with 3 and only 3 pink variety beans (6860 combinations).

The the 4, 5 and 6 predominate color (flower color) combinations look like this:
S = Species Color, P = Predominate Color, A,B = Every/Any Color except P (get run thru all 49 combinations)
There are 15 sets of 49 combinations:
S, P, P, P, P, A, B
S, P, P, P, A, P, B
S, P, P, P, A, B, P
S, P, P, A, P, P, B
S, P, P, A, P, B, P
S, P, P, A, B, P, P
S, P, A, P, P, P, B
S, P, A, P, P, B, P
S, P, A, P, B, P, P
S, P, A, B, P, P, P
S, A, P, P, P, P, B
S, A, P, P, P, B, P
S, A, P, P, B, P, P
S, A, P, B, P, P, P
S, A, B, P, P, P, P

6 sets of 7 combinations
S, P, P, P, P, P, A
S, P, P, P, P, A, P
S, P, P, P, A, P, P
S, P, P, A, P, P, P
S, P, A, P, P, P, P
S, A, P, P, P, P, P

and one set of 1 combination
S, P, P, P, P, P, P

One person could do all 778 of these for a species in one chunk.

The three predominate color combinations look like this:
S = Species Color, P = Predominate Color, A,B,C = Every/Any Color skipping Predominate Color (343 combinations).
There are 20 sets of 343 combinations
1 S, P, P, P, A, B, C
2 S, P, P, A, P, B, C
3 S, P, P, A, B, P, C
4 S, P, P, A, B, C, P
5 S, P, A, P, P, B, C
6 S, P, A, P, B, P, C
7 S, P, A, P, B, C, P
8 S, P, A, B, P, P, C
9 S, P, A, B, P, C, P
10 S, P, A, B, C, P, P
11 S, A, P, P, P, B, C
12 S, A, P, P, B, P, C
13 S, A, P, P, B, C, P
14 S, A, P, B, P, P, C
15 S, A, P, B, P, C, P
16 S, A, P, B, C, P, P
17 S, A, B, P, P, P, C
18 S, A, B, P, P, C, P
19 S, A, B, P, C, P, P
20 S, A, B, C, P, P, P

One person could two of these sets (686 combinations) in one chunk.
I've numbered the sets for this one for easy picking.

Thats 22914 combinations all together divided into 33 chunks.
One person could do 2 chunks a day (2 or 3 hours).
Odds are we'll hit it half way thru
If we got 3 people thats 3 days for a 75-80% chance of finding a flower.

So claim a chunk (in a reply) and lets get going!!

[Zippy Sparkledoodle]

If you go to the spoiler you would see that these people are finding these combinations quite quickly. One toon found 2 6 bean combo's in just a few days. Your ideas are great maybe you should join them. But speaking from a toon that got the gardening tools they were available 7 and 8 bean combo's are really ir relevant right now.....i've been planting 5 beans for what seems like eternity, so i'm sure that by the time I plant the 6 bean combo's for those 16 days someone will have the 7 bean combo's figured out. My suggestions would be that if you have a test toon go donate beans to these poor souls that are spending all their time looking for bean combo's. Personally I give them kudo's because I know I would fall asleep having to pick pick dig....