Spoiler: 7 Bean Combo Finder

[DudleyBlueDog]

Here's a program that steps thru all 7 bean combinations with 3 or more beans of a selected color (and the selected first bean). It's a Java applet so it runs in a web page and is completely safe (Java applets cannot infest your computer).

To try it click this link:
Bean Finder



To use it you play TT in a window with an inch left open on the bottom of your desktop. After you get the Bean Finder set up on your first combination you squinch down its window to where you only see the bottom two rows. Plant your combo (the bottom row), click "+" in the Bean Finder and repeat until you can't take anymore. If you have a wide screen (best thing I ever got ) you can just put it to the side.

You will need Java (any version) which you should already have. If not, get it from Sun.com

Of course, I don't expect anybody to break ranks on the 7 bean search but maybe for the 8 beans....

I could make it so you login and and it keeps track of everybody and even skips combos already done by other sites.

Anyway here it is, for what its worth.
Happy Planting!

If you want to download the applet and a little web page to run it here:
Zipped up Bean Finder

[Little Pearl Petalbee]

Cool, Thank for all your effort to write the program.

I will try it to help in searching.

[sristi]

I am impressed. I was gonna suggest writing all the combinations out for the seven bean combo and try them on like we do for probs and stats. This makes it a lot more efficient. Awesome Job

[MissFrecklesMcChomp]

I applaud you DudleyBlueDog! This is a really incredible tool, and I understand how you intended it to be used. I would love to use it to help find new flowers. I certainly like your integration ideas so that work is not duplicated!

At the same time, there is already some nice teamwork going on in the combo search threads. I wonder if it's possible for you to refine your ap so that it can be more easily used by those searchers...?

Here are some random thoughts:

1) Search assignments are being defined by the first four bean colors. Is there a way to lock down the first four positions and have the last three positions stepped through incrementally? That would greatly help the searchers with their tasks.

2) The way the assignments are listed, there are nine (9) possible colors of beans. Could you perhaps add silver as one of the bean color choices?

If these modifications are possible, we could possibly have a breakthrough much sooner.

You rock!

[DudleyBlueDog]

If you really want to "have a breakthrough much sooner", you'll change the search system to fit the Bean Finder and not the other way around.

I can and will add silver. Rather than make it go thru the combos in [what I call] numerical order, I will make it skip the combos already tried and make it try the 2s, 1s and 0s. So that all the combos will eventually be tried but, in order of most likely first and no combos would have to be repeated. Also If I could get just one little page where I could throw some php I could make it give out assignments and keep track of everyone's progress (automatically reported to the server by Bean Finder).

We're going to have to go to something like this for the 8 beans (this is what I'm really working towards). You have nothing to loose. Keep using the system you have until we can get the changes made to switch to the new system. I don't want to spend time going backwards, changing to fit the old system.

Also I'd love some help coding, if anyone knows php, Java, C++, photoshop (I'm real slow at artwork), and organizing and posts. I'm working on making it skip the combos already done right now. I'd add the silver last and make it check the silver combos last.
I'd also like to see cooperation between fan sites.

I'm certainly willing to give up of general direction of the effort and just code my part but, I'm not really interested in working on it unless it plays the odds and not just numerical order.

You have to check 180,000 combinations in numerical order before you are likely (50% chance) to find the first 7 bean flower.
And that's if there's no silver. With silver its twice that.
You're likely to find the first flower in 18,000 combinations in most likely order (the Bean Finder order), 30,000 with silver.

You will have to try over a million combinations to be likely to find all the 7 bean flowers numerically (2 million with silver).
The Bean finder likely gets em all at 250,000 and 450,000 with silver.

The 8 bean flowers multiply all the numbers by 8 for numerical and by 6 for Bean Finder.

[DJ Max]

Great program! I think we should add silver to 7 bean combo research - like some start to suggest - maybe in combinations that include silver bean lies the hidden 7 bean flower ?

[DudleyBlueDog]

I doubt that there are Silver beans in the flowers. The reason no flower has been found is that not enough combos have been checked to make it likely to find one.
There's only a 1 in 6 chance that a flower will be found by the time open toons can plant 7 beans (in 7 days), if you keep going the way you are. At that point if 100 toons start searching in numerical order (the order they're using now) it will be at least 12 days before the rest are found.

If we switch to checking the combos in most likely order (the way the Bean Finder does it), 5 toons will find the first flower in 4 days. and the 100 toons will find the rest in 4 days.

It's maybe not worth the switch for seven bean flowers but consider the 8 beans:
It will take 100 toons, planting 1000 combos each a day, 14 days to find the first 8 bean flower (if they are lucky) and 100 days to find the rest.

If those same 100 toons search the 8 bean combos in most likely order, it will take 3 days to find the first and 25 days to find the rest.

Keep in mind that it takes 4 hours to plant 1000 combos (2hrs or planting and 2 hrs of fishing to pay for them). Think of the neglected children and spouses. The cost to Toonanity! Not to mention 80,000,000 waisted Jelly beans!

[DJ Max]

Originally Posted by DudleyBlueDog

I doubt that there are Silver beans in the flowers...

why do you think so?

[DudleyBlueDog]

Originally Posted by DJ Max

why do you think so?

1) No silver in flowers so far.
2) I hounded a Disney programmer (untill he dropped me) and the only comment I got from him was "It's not that hard" in responce to "How we gonna check 3 million combos for the seven bean flowers and 24 million for the 8 beans"

[Little Funnysocks]

Originally Posted by DudleyBlueDog

Here's a program that steps thru all 7 bean combinations with 3 or more beans of a selected color (and the selected first bean). It's a Java applet so it runs in a web page and is completely safe (Java applets cannot infest your computer).

To try it click this link:
Bean Finder



To use it you play TT in a window with an inch left open on the bottom of your desktop. After you get the Bean Finder set up on your first combination you squinch down its window to where you only see the bottom two rows. Plant your combo (the bottom row), click "+" in the Bean Finder and repeat until you can't take anymore. If you have a wide screen (best thing I ever got) you can just put it to the side.

You will need Java (any version) which you should already have. If not, get it from Sun.com

Of course, I don't expect anybody to break ranks on the 7 bean search but maybe for the 8 beans....

I could make it so you login and and it keeps track of everybody and even skips combos already done by other sites.

Anyway here it is, for what its worth.
Happy Planting!

If you want to download the applet and a little web page to run it here:
Zipped up Bean Finder

Thanks!!!! WOW! Will have to install and try this later today.

[DJ Max]

Originally Posted by DudleyBlueDog

1) No silver in flowers so far...

but as you know in 1, 2, 3 and 4 bean combos - ther were no blue or violett - which appeared only in 5 and 6 bean combos. Maybe silver bean is the bean that appears and starts to be present in 7 and 8 bean combos?

Originally Posted by DudleyBlueDog

2) I hounded a Disney programmer (untill he dropped me) and the only comment I got from him was "It's not that hard" in responce to "How we gonna check 3 million combos for the seven bean flowers and 24 million for the 8 beans

LOL as they say "all is relative"... 8 hours per day of fishing during several month in a row is not concidered to be hard by some if to read some posts lol

What is "hard" in the perception of that Disney programist I wonder? maybe 3 billion combos? then 3 million is piece of cake of course! lol

[Little Funnysocks]

Originally Posted by DudleyBlueDog

Here's a program that steps thru all 7 bean combinations with 3 or more beans of a selected color (and the selected first bean). It's a Java applet so it runs in a web page and is completely safe (Java applets cannot infest your computer).

To try it click this link:
Bean Finder



To use it you play TT in a window with an inch left open on the bottom of your desktop. After you get the Bean Finder set up on your first combination you squinch down its window to where you only see the bottom two rows. Plant your combo (the bottom row), click "+" in the Bean Finder and repeat until you can't take anymore. If you have a wide screen (best thing I ever got) you can just put it to the side.

You will need Java (any version) which you should already have. If not, get it from Sun.com

Of course, I don't expect anybody to break ranks on the 7 bean search but maybe for the 8 beans....

I could make it so you login and and it keeps track of everybody and even skips combos already done by other sites.

Anyway here it is, for what its worth.
Happy Planting!

If you want to download the applet and a little web page to run it here:
Zipped up Bean Finder

Sorry I'm just a novice here. I downloaded it and it is in a zip folder.

Opened folder and there are two icons:
1. BeanFinder.jar
2. index (explorer)

My question is - now what? How do I open, use, extract?

How do I get this to work. Thanks

[DudleyBlueDog]

Originally Posted by Little Funnysocks

Sorry I'm just a novice here. I downloaded it and it is in a zip folder.

Opened folder and there are two icons:
1. BeanFinder.jar
2. index (explorer)

My question is - now what? How do I open, use, extract?

How do I get this to work. Thanks

Drag the 2 files (icons) to a folder somewhere.
Double click on index (in the folder)

[Little Funnysocks]

Originally Posted by DudleyBlueDog

Drag the 2 files (icons) to a folder somewhere.
Double click on index (in the folder)

That is soooooo cool. WOW you are very talented, what a gift you have. And so nice of you to share it with the rest of the fanatics lol

Good luck in your bean search

[Little Funnysocks]

Originally Posted by DudleyBlueDog

1) No silver in flowers so far.
2) I hounded a Disney programmer (untill he dropped me) and the only comment I got from him was "It's not that hard" in responce to "How we gonna check 3 million combos for the seven bean flowers and 24 million for the 8 beans"

Any Thing is EASY when you know - so to the programmer it would be easy. He knows the combination theory that is being used. If we knew that it might just be EASY for us too.