organic gags

[mick]

please could people post some of there findings. my sons been using his maxed b/cake 110 with mixed results. in the bullion we were experimenting with a maxed org b/cake it wouldnt kill a lured 11. in fact even with some marbles chucked at it after it still didnt die, but in cfo the 11s dropped, is this a bug? ive noticed no difference in the sound bonus, and have yet to get my squirt maxed. so far as gameplay will change, i dont think it will change much on these findings. the lower gags bonus is actually quite pathetic, i think they need to tweak these a bit.

[Matt Wild Horse]

Organic cake will take out a lured 11 only if you are able to break the lure. In the boss battles this is true most of the time. In the mints and the DAs office not always going to happen. In order to insure that you will break the lure the cog has too be the original cog on the right side. I have never seen the original right cog in a group not jump. Also the last cog left will always jump, the rest of the cogs in the mint or DA's office are just luck if they jump.

The reason the organic cake can take out a lured level 11 cog is because you get the 50% bonus damage if the lure breaks. For a cake that is 55pts. Adding 55 plus the 110 for the cake gives you 165pts. 11's have 156. Without organic cake it is 50 bonus points plus the 100, equaling 150, that will leave you 6 pts short.

Good Luck!

[pixanator]

I have organic drop on my 4th toon.
While in the bullion, I noticed the accuracy hasn't changed from low to medium.
I'm hoping this is an oversight on Disney's behalf.
I did send in a question/bug report inquiring about this.

[Matt Wild Horse]

Organic gags give you a bonus of 10% of the regular gags value rounded down and with a minimum of 1 point bonus. Lure raises it's accuracy from low to medium. The rest do not get any change in accuracy.

Maxed Juggle 120 + 12 = 132 organic
Maxed TNT 180 + 18 = 198 organic
Maxed Lure is low accuracy / medium organic
Maxed Fog 50 + 5 = 55 organic
Maxed Cake 100 + 10 = 110 organic
Maxed Squirt 80 + 8 = 88 organic
Maxed Drop 170+ 17 = 187 organic

Cog Values
Level 1 = 6
Level 2 = 12
Level 3 = 20
Level 4 = 30
Level 5 = 42
Level 6 = 56
Level 7 = 72
Level 8 = 90
Level 9 = 110
Level 10 = 132
Level 11 = 156
Level 12 = 200

Sound benefits only when working with a reduced crew and if everyone has organice sound. 2 organic fogs will take out a 10. 2 organic fogs and 1 elephant will take out an 11.

Throw benifits fruit pie will take out a lured level 5 cog if you break the lure. Cake will take out a lured 11 cog if you break the lure. Cake can take out a level 9 cog with no lure.

Squirt benifits Cloud can take out a lured level 10 cog if you break the lure.

Lure is very nice to have it hit more often.

The other gags not looking at level 7 gags don't offer much except more damage.

I personally have planted on my 3 toons on open squirt, throw and lure. And on my test toon I have planted lure trees. I don't see enough benefit in the other gags.

[Matt Wild Horse]

I agree with you mick the lower gags are pathetic, but I don't think it needs to be changed. The cogs are already to easy and unless they are going to bring out some higher level cogs, this is already a huge advantage.

The one thing that is very good about the change is if you are building lure. Have lure trees planted when you are building a lure gag would be awesome. That improved accuracy would make it alot easier to build lure.

[mick]

its nice to know what should do what and when but in reality that never happens. i would like for people to post if they see any noticeable change in there gameplay. so far ive toons with maxed sound throw and squirt, and there is no real benefit at all. pixanator has noticed a huge increase in the lure side, which im sure will be of benefit. im gonna leave my trees as they are and wait to see where the game goes before i make any decisions, but im well prepared to dig em up if i have too.

[Matt Wild Horse]

I was in a D office last night and the organic cake was highly benificial. The set of 3 11s and 1 12. One toon lured, one toon hosed the 12, one toon droped on the 12, and I threw the organic cake at the far right level 11 cog to insure that it jumped. We were left with 2 cogs after first round. One more round and all the cogs were gone. I felt like I had TNT, lol. Lure and Throw definitely hold the most benefit right now. With the throw gag you definitely need to know which cogs are going to jump, and for the most part I can tell that, I have been studing which cogs jump for awhile.

In reality, your correct, things don't happen the way they should. So, that is why sound is probably a bad gag to plant. The only way to see the benefit from organic fog is if 2 toons have organic fog and use it accordingly. But, since it imposible to tell which toons have it, unless they are sf, then it is difficult to coordinate.

[sara73]

I was in the mint with a green duck yesterday that had organic cake. He was taking out 11's on his own with it and 'hee hee ing' after.

I have gone with the throw and lure on my smaller toon and the benefits of lure, I'm really glad I chose it. I only planted up to the 5$ bill but the misses are rare now. Made it really easy to get the blue magnet!

[mick]

just finished another experimental mint, max cake killed a lured 11 shark, but didnt kill a lured 10 money bags lol. im sure there must be a bug somewhere, some parity on this would be nice.

[Twinkie]

Originally Posted by mick

just finished another experimental mint, max cake killed a lured 11 shark, but didnt kill a lured 10 money bags lol. im sure there must be a bug somewhere, some parity on this would be nice.

I just got the organic Cake and I will be testing with you as well.

[Trish]

Originally Posted by mick

just finished another experimental mint, max cake killed a lured 11 shark, but didnt kill a lured 10 money bags lol. im sure there must be a bug somewhere, some parity on this would be nice.

Did the Money Bags kick back? Was the Money Bags in the middle of the lineup?

[crimson dynamo]

Originally Posted by mick

just finished another experimental mint, max cake killed a lured 11 shark, but didnt kill a lured 10 money bags lol. im sure there must be a bug somewhere, some parity on this would be nice.

Until I see the Level 7 drop or level 7 dynamite, right now I think throw with garden bonus is the best gag. if the Level 7 drop or Level 7 trap takes out a 12, then those will be the best gags.

Your gag is working as it always has. THERE IS NO BUG. This has ALWAYS BEEN THE CASE since I started playing toontown in 2002 or 2003.


B Cake with Garden Bonus will TAKE out a LURED 11, if you get the added +55 bonus.

110 + 55 = 165

If you attacked a level 10 cog and did not get the bonus you are only getting 110. A level 10 takes 132 laff points.

If you attacked a level 11 cog and did not get the bonus you are only getting 110. A level 11 takes 156.


When in the Factory, Mints, or DA Office and you lure the cogs, you do NOT ALWAYS GET THE LURE BONUS. You have to know when you get it, and how to use this knowledge to your advantage.

I have a maxed cake and it works as expected.

For me, I think the Birthday cake with bonus just might be the strongest gag to choose.

Level 9 Unlured has 110 laff points
A Garden Bonus Throw Gag takes it out ALWAYS, lured or unlured. before a B Cake would fail on a Level 9 cog without the lure bonus.

A Level 10 Cog has 132 laff points. You must have the lure bonus of +55 to take it out.

A level 11 cog has 156 laff points.
A Garden Bonus Gag takes it out if you get the lure bonus.

There are other advantages to the level 4 throw and the level 5 throw also. But I won't go into those details.

I have Sound, Throw, Squirt, Toonup, and Trap selected with garden bonus. I have played them all.

[Captain Flappy Electropretzel]

I'm leaning towards my first reaction, that organic lure is the right choice for me... My anecdotal experience is that the low level organic lures have a noticeable difference in successful hit versus the non-organics... on similar level cogs. They also seem to be successful against moderately higher level cogs more often.

Question that's come to mind... I'm under the impression that we will eventually be able to grow trees for level 7/8 gags... If so, I wonder what the organic bonuses would be for them... similar percentage increases in damage? If so, then wouldn't an increase in the Lure percentage hit rate be even more valuable?

[Matt Wild Horse]

Crimson Dynamo has it right the reason it didn't kill the 10 is because you didn't break the lure. You have to get the kick back as everyone is stating.

Here is some basic ways to tell if a cog will kick back.

1. The original cog that is on the right. Or in other words the cog that you touched when you run into a set of 4 cogs. This cog will ALWAYS jump back and give you the lure bonus for squirt and throw, which is 50% of the gags that hit it.

2. If there is one cog left. It will ALWAYS jump back and give you the lure bonus.

There are some other things that work too but I still need to do some more testing. For the most part other than these 2 ways in the mint the kick back is not a sure thing and the cake will not take out the cog.

[pixanator]

Originally Posted by Captain Flappy Electropretzel

I'm leaning towards my first reaction, that organic lure is the right choice for me...

Question that's come to mind... I'm under the impression that we will eventually be able to grow trees for level 7/8 gags... If so, I wonder what the organic bonuses would be for them... similar percentage increases in damage? If so, then wouldn't an increase in the Lure percentage hit rate be even more valuable?

On my 5th toon, she has organic lure.
I've yet to try her organic goggles out, and may do so on a CCG Sell run today.
Out of the lure gags I used in a CCG run... not one blue magnet or 10 dollar bill missed.
Since she's a 4track uber, I felt it best to pick lure.
My Cash uber has trap, since she isn't maxed in it yet and with the added organic points... and a cream pie, I can take out an 11.
Also, my level 1 organic drop (I have level 4) has yet to miss.
The organic tu is also awesome.
I didn't choose organic sound.