Shuffling and Cog suit judging

[Lady Rosie Twinkledoodle]

The thing I dislike the most in toontown are the finicky higher laffers who judge lower laffers. I'll admit that I have too judged lower laffers who are at the wrong place at the time but I'm stating what we all loathe the most.

Shuffling
This happens every single day. I'm sure many of us are tired of it. Most of us do it. And some are here to stop it. I'll admit noobs dont belong in Donalds Dreamland, In cog hqs, In places where a 16-30 laff toon is not welcomed in places where there are level 7+ cogs to say. But we all have to deal with the fact that this is a game.

Buildings
Shuffling in buildings really get on toons nerves. Sometimes we all like to go with a friend. Sometimes with random good people who are there to help or need it for themselves. And of course we all get sad once in a while in them. The thing we hav to stop is the building shuffling. Sure there are most likely more than 4 people standing at the foot of the elevator but sometimes we should just deal with the fact that if you arent able to get on with your friend, you could just find another building. There are tons in toontown. Every single district, every single street, in every single playground! We do not need the constant shuffle in the door frame of an elevator. And so what if a noob stops by to say hello. You can atleast TRY to help him. Think of it as a mission to help the newb stay alive and make it throughout the whole building. If he gets sad well atleast you tried with all the toon power in you.
Mints, Facs, DAs & BB Golf courses
Of course all of us fear the wandering noob(s) that happen to stuble across a cog mint, fac, etc. But stinking them wont get us any closer to atually getting in the mint. Shuffling stinks too but if you have one noob maybe you can still make it. I can understand if you are in a DA, BB golf couse, or Bullion but there is no reason to "stink" them. The "I think this is too risky for you" may not work anymore. The noobs will just protest. Shuffling is needed indeed but is it too much? Lets say you get stuck with 2 random people who are 100 laffers and a noob. Is it right to hopp off if you are in a Coin mint? Or fac? No. You shouldnt. You should let the noob have a fun ride. To let him expierence what tough feels like. If he gets sad, fine he'll learn them lesson that way. Odds are, they will. But is it fair to start stinking them. No.

Non-noob shuffling:
For example: an 80 laffer wants to do a cog mint. Lets say a dollar mint. There are 3 other people. 2 are 100 laffers and one is a 90+ laffer. Is it right to ditch him? No of course not. With those laffs you can make it. If they start saying "I think this is too risky for you" They are just being MEAN. Its not. You belong in there. Its not like the toon is 30+ laff.

CFOs, CJs & CEOs
Shuffling in these places ^ is a big WASTE. If the toon is good enough to get in one of these, they can handle it. There is no need for shuffling. If your friend was paying any attention, he/she would've gotten in the elevator.

VPs
This is the most hardest shuffle ever. Once these toons get teir suits, they go VP. If you are one of them and you are reading this GO JOIN THE CCG. Then, you can VP all you like without the shuffling. But when noobs start VPing. It gets a little complicated. I once saw a 17 laff toon with a cog suit. I thought it was an uber but I the checked its toon details and it was not. Anytoon can get in the VP these days. All they have to do is tagalong in 12 factory runs and theyre in. Well, again, shuffling wont help a bit. The newb will still be there. Trying to get on the elevatory ASAP. And some toons will be there in theyre high and mighty Hollywood suits saying "I think this is too risky for you", hopping off, stinking other toons, and shuffling untill they have NO cold callers in the elevator. I've seen it happen. Day after day after day. Lets see the odds of having A newb and a bunch of other great toons. Well, that happends almost every single time! So what. You've got a newb on your team. And look, theres a newb on the elevator. Does it really matter? You've got higher laffer, better toons with gags, and a whole lot of toon-up for those mistakes the newbs may make. It is not right to take away the newbs right to VP. And you should flee or shuffle because 1 little newb is on your elevator. YOU WONT GO SAD BECAUSE OF THE NEWB.

Cog Suit Judging in the VP
Okay. I'll admit it. I am a telemarketer. Yes. 100 laffer with a telemarketer cog suit! OMG this cannot be. The toon must be a noob. Well most aren't. And guess what? I was a cold caller lvl 2 a few days ago! So I dont VP much. Maybe I dont like the shuffling and stinking that goes on in that little dirty room filled with mean toons and anxious newbs. Well heres the thing about cog suit judging. DONT HOP OFF JUST BECAUSE THERES A COLD CALLER ON THE ELEVATOR! There are great toons that may not VP right after theyve gotten theyre suit. Maybe theyre at 112 laff but is still a cold caller. Does it matter what suit you are in? No. It doesnt. I'm a telemarketer. To the Oh so glorious Hollywoods who jump before they know, just because I'm at a low level cog suit doesnt mean I'm low-leveled. You shouldnt hop off the elevatory just because you see someone in a low level cog suit. Give them a chance. They might surprise you. You should be grateful enough that you even got ON the elevator with all that shuffling going on.

Cog suit judging in CFO, CJ or CEO
1. Theyre good enough to get theyre suit. So why shuffle?!
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This is my little rant about shuffling and cog suit judging. I know many toons loathe it. And some of us even do it over and over again. But this is my view on shuffling and how I dislike the cog hqs so. Usually I go with a bunch of randoms. If one noob tags along, I let them. He may get lost, they may not be able to go through the whole course, but at least they try. And for some of us who are stuck witha noob in a building, well if he ever makes it to the top, post a pic! Show me your triumphant vistory! See how one toon can make the difference for the random noob/newb.

Cog suit judgers: One thing for you guys, If the toon can CFO, CJ, or CEO, there shouldnt be any judging on what cog suit theyre in.

VP judgers: The VP is easy for you Hollywoods and upper-class cog suit toons. You shouldnt be worried about who gets on with you. You should be focused on helping the little ones get through theyre first VP.

[Thing One]

I think you're pretty much right about all you said. But in the VP there are usually SOO many people that, for me at least, it's basically impossible to check out the stats of everyone in the room.. and I forget who I have checked cause everyone is milling around.. and it's just nuts. So only due to my own comfort level I try not to get on the elevator with 7 cold callers. I dont' really care about the suit level at all.. I care about the laff and gags, and there are TONS of high laffers who are still low suit b/c the vp is just plain frustrating to get into.. But it's hard for me to check on that.. so I just don't get in with a full load of cold callers b/c most of the time idk what their laff and gags are like b/c the place is just too darn crowded. I try to stand to the side until I'm comfortable getting in the elevator.. and no I'm not one of those clock blocking hollys. Don't they have ANY consideration? My gosh. And once I get on the elevator I try to stick to it.. and I have ended up in vps with horrible groups b/c I hate when the other hollys shuffle so I try to stay.. and lots of times it doesn't turn out well.. but at least I stayed. Anyway.. that was my own rambling about nothing lol.

But anyhoo, you are so right about the CFO, CJ, and CEO. With those, once you get your suit your good enough to go in. I see no reason for elevator shuffling there. I made it to big cheese on one of my toons and I would get into a CEO elevator with 7 flunkys any day b/c I know that they HAVE to be at least 100 laff and by then most people have decent gags.

[Sok]

Originally Posted by Lady Rosie Twinkledoodle

YOU WONT GO SAD BECAUSE OF THE NEWB.

I agree with everything but that one sentence.
I've done many VPs where one n00b/newb makes the entire group sad because they use sound on the lured cogs, use weak pies on lured cogs nobody else is hitting, and all that stuff.

I know this is rare, but for some reason it happens to me a lot.

So.. yes, there is a possibility you can go sad because of the n00b/newb.

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Here's some good advice... Always prepare the thought that doing something/anything that has to do with battling can leave you sad, so if you go sad from it, you won't be as mad.

[Cyclops]

The thing I hate in toontown the most is VP Shuffling, Ok so two toons are on my side and one person is 49 laff, the other is 51 and the other one was 117 laff and me 105 laff, ok so we were at the second battle fighting 3 level 12 cogs and 1 lvl 11 and then we missed lure, and everyone died accept me and the 117 laffer I was at like 20 laff and he was at 30 and when we all completed it there were 5 toons in total during the VP and we all got sad becasue throwing pies at the VP was taking tooo long so I think all VPs should have 70+ laffers only at least. One time i've seen a 15 laffer in there trying to show off, but he wasn't a uber

[Catooo]

I'm with you all the way with everything. Its funny how you were talking about you beeing a telemarkender as your discuise. Midnight my black cat is too. She is level 2 & she has 93 laff. I wanted to VP today. Midnight's toontask is to defete some level 12 cogs & it is a lot of them too. I am not going to go in a 4 or 5 story building that many times. The reward for this toontask is 1 laff boost. To me its not worth it but I chose that toontask in November. I do not know what I was thinking. I do not want to cfo. The last time I did the best crane workers died. They were really good at working the cranes too. Sadly most of the toons were not good at working the cranes. Only about 3 of them were & we needed 4 & I have a hard time working the cranes. I have been trying to get in a good group for the vp but sadly I have not been sucsesful the last three times. Today I saw a red monkey with 107 laff & he was a level 2 cold caller. Thats not all I also saw cat with 58 laff & he was a level 12 Mr. Hollywood. I ended up VPing with him too. It did not turn out well. I was the oldest toon there. Two other toons had about 80 laff but they got scared. One toon dies & when we were given the chance to leave everyone leaves leaving the cat & I to try to leave as quickly as possible. I believe that cat was the last one to leave too. I don't even know if he left on time. Also you should not judge a good toon by her gags. My oldest toon Salty has 106 laff & no sound. I get a lot of I think this is to risky for you because of it. One time in DDL I wanted to go in this 4 story bossbot building. It was before BBHQ & Salty had to defete 400 bossbots. The reason why I chose that toontask was because I knew BBHQ was coming very soon & I really wanted to be able to carry 250 jb. There were three toons there already. I think one of them was 109 laff & the other was 86. The third toon I did not forget his laff. It was 53. His throw was to cream pie & his squirt was to fire hose. His sound was to elephant trunk & his drop was to the thing right after the flower pot. The one with 53 laff said I think this is to risky for you. I ignored him & got on the elevader thinking the other toons would follow. They didn't. The one with 53 laff said you stink. I said lets get on the elevader. The 109 laff pointed toon said no. The 86 laff pointed toon got on the elevader. The other two followed. All of them ditched me. All three of them. I was so mad. You defaintly should never judge a toon by thier laff. I was in BBHQ a couple days ago & a friend of mine wanted to help me with my toontask. I still have that defete 400 bossbots toontask. One of the toons that helped us was a yellow duck with 27 laff. First thought that came to mind is you have to be kidding. There was no way I would have that duck help me in BBHQ. Maybe if it was somewhere where we would not die but not in BBHQ. I checked the duck's gags & you would not believe it. That duck had all throw & squirt gags. Even the new ones. Yes they are still new to me. Monkeys in TT are still new to me & they have been around for a while. I do remember that I voted for bear the first two elections. Sorry for my horrible spelling & for getting off topic. I hate shuffling for the VP. I am going to try to VP tonight if you want to help. I am going to try to be in Nuttyville around 10:00pm Pacific time. I am going to play Midnight. I am tired of shuffling & I think to avoid that we need to plan a time & place to do what ever in TT. If you want to VP & hate shuffling I will be waiting. Sorry for saying that I want to make sure that toons are going to be there. You are so right on judging toons.

[Mystical Monkey Power]

It's a trade off - no doubt about it. Going with toons that are less powerful makes it risky, but also more fun and more rewarding if you succeed.

Today my friend (Penny Sniffleklunk) and I took my daughter into the bullion mint. She's young, so I have to help her make the right decisions in high-level fights sometimes. And she just got up to 72 laff points, so she's JUST eligible for the bullion.

We got there, and a couple of toons said to my daughter, "I think this is too risky for you." We were having none of it, and the 3 of us loaded. None of the several other BIG, STRONG (at least 100+) toons would come with us, so off we went alone (3 of us).

At one point, a lure missed and 4 cogs were beating the stuffing out of us. We were all down in laff points, but I knew my daughter was in danger especially, and there was one more cog getting ready to hit us. She only had 9 laff points left.

So I used a toon-up unite to keep her (and the rest of us) happy. It was one of those REALLY nice ones, too - total laff point toon-up. Sweet! We had no more problems after that. Teamwork is a beautiful thing.

You could look at this and say, "see, 72 laff points isn't enough." But I say, if any one of those other toons would have taken a little chance, we'd have had a much easier time, and I'd probably still have my unite. Not that I'm complaining - I got to be the hero.

And it's not like we were asking them to go with a bunch of noobs: Penny and I are both over 100, and we've both done the mints dozens of times.

I wonder how long a time they waited for a group of toons to show up who met their standards?

[Trickysticks]

I agree with it mostly, but the fact noobs wont make u die is absolutely wrong. This happened Wedsnday, in a computer in New York....



I was in a Vp,"escorting" two uber 15 laffs(I wanted too) and a 45 laff. I lure the cogs(The 1st set, which has the lvl 12!)and the 45 laff, after we ALL move, uses a whistle*DA DAAA DAAAAAAAA*and unlures the lvl 7 and lvl 12, along with the lvl 1s, which exploded. the lvl 7 mingler used Paradigm shift, which missed us all. The Hollywood, however, hit us all. I used a 20 tu to have us survive, when more high levels came. I lured, the toon did it again, the ubers died, I was alone (D: )SO I used Presentation and waited. The rest was easy, with my sfs. So the moral is, low laffs can(But not likely) be smarter than higher laffs. Especially uber. Unless ur an uber, I will not take you if your under 65 laff(unless I have too, or ur my sf)

[SuperPeppy]

well, i'm not ashamed to admit that I shuffle. I do it for two reasons.

1. Speed. It saves a ton of time when all four cogs spin around and fly apart in unison. So when I'm the mood for maximum speed then I want teamates with #50 foghorns.

2. Experience. It's not laffs, it's not gags. It's the balance betwwen the two. A smart player uses lure bonus and teamwork bonus to make his team stronger. He knows when to hold, when to fold, when to attack, and when to pass. I'd rather go with a small smart player than a big dumb one anytime. If your gag/laff ratio looks bad then I'll shuffle. For example ... if you are a 102 laffer with cinnamon rolls and elephant ears looking to do a HQ then forget it. You should go find a building and work your gags. If you hop on then I'm hoping off.

[Pixie Dust]

I've done both. Did a mint with a 15 laff that actually made it all the way up to the end then went sad on the long stomper track (the one with fox holes). We kept him tuned and walked him through all the obstacles that we could. But I have also been in buildings and Boss HQ with low laff toons and other random toons and I went sad and lost my lvl 7 gags. Takes time to rebuild and not having them can jeopardize outcome of HQ battle. I like to go in fully loaded with laff up.

I think the important thing to remember is not to judge without knowing the circumstances and in most cases you probably never will know. Out of the toons that I have met on TT and in TTC, I would say they are a pretty terrific group. I see high laff toons stopping to help more often than I see them snub a toon because of their laff. I can't tell you how many times I have been fishing and saw a low laff toon come up to one of the high laffs fishing and ask them for help and the high laff stops fishing to help them with a task.

Let's encourage and reinforce the right actions of helping others by bringing them to light and lead by example.

I've been on TT only a few months so not that long ago was I a low laff. Here are some tips for low laffs that may help them:

1. If you need help with a task, state your task then ask "Can you help me?" It is polite and most toons will want to help if you are working on a task.

2. Say thank you after being helped -it's the polite thing to do.

3. If going into factory and needing suit parts, say "I need more sellbot suit parts," "Can you help me?"

4. Make sure you have your gags as full as possible.

5. Make sure your laff is full.

6. If you can't take out a cog on your own, go for the same cog as the others or pass.

7. Don't hound the other toons 20 times to be your friend. If they say "No, thank you" the first time just thank them or say "No problem."

8. Most important, read the guides and tips provided by TT and TTC, they will really help you become a better player. High laffs are more apt to take on lower laff toons as friends if they see they are really trying.

9. Toons to the Rescue can help with task, so ask them for help too. CCG can help with the VP, CFO, CJ, and CEO runs. These toons are committed to helping others, especially if you are just starting on something new.

10. Respect others right to say "No." Don't assume it isn't because they don't want to help you, they may have a different agenda that day.

[Trixie the cat]

buildings r the worst 4 me. I recently went in a 5 storey building wiv noobs-just 2 help them and get jury notices. I know I'm NEVER makin that mistake again. we probably would of ALL survived if that stupid dog hadn't done wat he did. he went 4 the opposite cog we went 4 and attacked the highest on his own wiv weak pies-he ended up dieing-good riddance! And I just survived the last floor. used toons of the world toon up,clerk clara,presentation,wedding cake-one long floor! the truth is-noobs ruin everything!!!!!!!!

[Lady Gigglesnout]

No matter what , no matter when...there would always be those shufflers and players who would judge you by your suit..That's why I started running with CCG and ATTA....I'm not saying running with such wonderful groups can guarantee you a "No shuffling and judging of suit"..But atleast these kind of situation is kept to a minimum.

[Axellia]

High laffers in the VP with a small suit are not necessarily experienced. I only did my first ever VP at 80 something laff points. I was quite useless then as it was my first time. If you want experienced you can tell by how they get on the elevator. There's a special technique that some people use to ditch the people they don't want. High laffers will normally get on when all the low suits can't get on and if they're smart, they will stay on unless abosolutely no-one gets on the elevator. It's almost guarenteed that if there's not 8 toons in the elevator, someone will get off, buying you 10 seconds more time for other people to get on.

[DonKeyandcrew]

Originally Posted by Trixie the cat

buildings r the worst 4 me. I recently went in a 5 storey building wiv noobs-just 2 help them and get jury notices. I know I'm NEVER makin that mistake again. we probably would of ALL survived if that stupid dog hadn't done wat he did. he went 4 the opposite cog we went 4 and attacked the highest on his own wiv weak pies-he ended up dieing-good riddance! And I just survived the last floor. used toons of the world toon up,clerk clara,presentation,wedding cake-one long floor! the truth is-noobs ruin everything!!!!!!!!

You know, you can use your speed chat to teach new toons - most often they'll listen - especially after being hit by cogs. Such a shame that your attitude is so anti 'noobs' - we were all new at one time - how did we learn? We played! We had help from others - we learned the damage our gags would do and we worked our gags.

Who's to say the next 'noob' you play with wont turn out to be one of the best toons on tt? You won't know!

That toon may also have been a young child - what did you teach them by your example? Have a little patience - smile, encourage them to play the right way - the safe way - time enough for risks when they are a little more confident with their own abilities.

Have a nice day.

[Amanda Tori Oinker]

Originally Posted by Lady Rosie Twinkledoodle

VPs
This is the most hardest shuffle ever. Once these toons get teir suits, they go VP. If you are one of them and you are reading this GO JOIN THE CCG. Then, you can VP all you like without the shuffling.

The CCG is for EVERYONE, it is not only for cold callers, or noobs, as you say. If you are frustrated and experiencing shuffling, or any kind of problems either loading, or once into, any boss run, go read the CCG guidelines and schedule and join us for a run. CCG doesn't only offer an environment that is as shuffle free as we can make it but it also offers training runs to help cultivate tactics and technique that will improve your overall success rate.
If the shuffling and suit judging annoy you so much, you are a prime candidate for CCG.
I don't shuffle unless I am trying to go with friends. If I am not successful in loading after 3 or 4 times, I wish them my best then I leave. Shuffle is one of the top 3 worst things in TT.

[Lady Gigglesnout]

Originally Posted by Amanda Tori Oinker

Shuffle is one of the top 3 worst things in TT.

Uhuh! And bugs and lags no matter how upgraded your system is!