CCG - I have a problem

[Loopy Nickleswirl]

I had this happen the other day also. The toon stood behind me and refused to stomp any goons. Just waited for me to get knocked off the crane. If he had just asked he he could operate the crane I would have gladly jumped off and given him a chance. Very poor toon ettiquette

Fortuntley we won anyway

Kristin

Originally Posted by kyga42066

Now this in itself is not unusual, we know that. My problem is the behaviour of a toon that became a real hazard to the experienced toons in the craning battle. We had more than enough craners and one toon did not get a crane. So instead of stomping until a crane became free, they stood in front of a crane constantly asking for a crane.

All of us went sad, but the issue is simply this. Experienced toons such as myself and 3 SF's with me witnessed a toon standing in front of a craning toon and saying 'May I operate the crane'. It wasn't so bad that they said it, it was the fact that goonies were coming out and he was NOT doing anything constructive to good teamwork. He just set in front of the podium until the craner got knocked off and then promptly took the crane. The important fact is that he DID NOT contribute to teamwork by doing the stomping job when he didn't have opportunity to get a crane. So we had 3 stompers running around stomping and trying to stayed tuned up and this toon simply grabbed treasures and waited until a crane was free.

I left the crane at 43laff and had to stomp a few goonies to get the treasures, of which I needed even from the stomping, but I never got them due to those treasures being stolen by the said toon. I got lock on a podium when passing it, ended up with 5laff, jumped off and ran to a free area of the room only to have a rotating goonie sweep me by the edge of his light and send me to the PG. I was first to leave. Am I miffed? You guess!

Lion Heart - a toon of Deputy Dynowoof's clan

[Lady Googlebrains]

Originally Posted by GiGi Bumblebee

I've read in posts of CCG runs where young kids have attempted VP runs, gone sad and the parents report that the child was so upset he/she was crying. Maybe it's just me but I don't think a 'game' should be so intense for young children that they would cry at a bad outcome.

I'd like to hear from other families with young children, what rules does your family have and 'how's that working for you' (Dr. Phil always says that).
GiGi

I've got 3 kids who all play, 6, 8 and 10.

For my part, other than a little coaching before big events (like VP), I do not get involved telling them what to do, won't do stuff with their toons (like earn jellybeans, suit parts). They must do all this themselves. Now I as a toon will help them and work together with them on any task, etc. But they only progress if they're capable.

I have control over secrets friends, they cannot enter a code without me. They have none other than me and each other right now.

We have run into and discussed bad behavior in other toons. It's a real life lesson!

Now my two older ones go to the VP. Again, outside of a little coaching before hand, I stand aside. Yes, my 8 year old has been reduced to tears from losses (but bounces back quickly) and I console him afterwards. He's successfully done 2 VP runs with CCG and was rejoicing endlessly after his first. He loves it! He was very proud to have avoided most of the VPs jumps this past run (yesterday afternoon). My 10 year old has not succeeded yet and was dissappointed yesterday when he went sad in the skelecog round, but he handles it OK. (I watched him make a big mistake in the cog round hitting a lured Mr. Hollywood by himself! - Ugh! I explained to him why he should have chosen differently afterward.) It's really hard for me to watch because sometimes their choices would be different from my own, but sometimes it works better!

My youngest must be one of those toons that drives people nuts. Constantly running around in places like The Brrrgh, Dreamland. Begging every black cat he sees to be his friend and getting upset when they won't. Races like a nut and surprisingly beats many people, does fairly well. Amazingly, some experienced toons take him along in 4-5 level buildings and the Factory and help him through! Even though he hasn't completed the tasks on DD yet, he's almost got building radar for every type of cog. Again, I let him play the way he wants to, so if a toon keeps pestering you to be his friend, at the least say "Sorry I can't" - he actually accepts that answer. What he doesn't like is when they don't respond. Our only struggle is he can get really upset when he loses a race. We just try to ride it out.

So basically, I let them play as they will, I help them as a toon, coach them when they ask, but do not direct them and discuss bad behavior and how they want to be treated.

We love the game, a fun, safe environment that provides valuable lessons on independence, collaboration, and how to help others.

Lady Googlebrains/Lady Calculus/ Weirdo Wolfie

[allicat]

Originally Posted by annasender

I've got 3 kids who all play, 6, 8 and 10.

For my part, other than a little coaching before big events (like VP), I do not get involved telling them what to do, won't do stuff with their toons (like earn jellybeans, suit parts). They must do all this themselves. Now I as a toon will help them and work together with them on any task, etc. But they only progress if they're capable.

I have control over secrets friends, they cannot enter a code without me. They have none other than me and each other right now.

We have run into and discussed bad behavior in other toons. It's a real life lesson!

Now my two older ones go to the VP. Again, outside of a little coaching before hand, I stand aside. Yes, my 8 year old has been reduced to tears from losses (but bounces back quickly) and I console him afterwards. He's successfully done 2 VP runs with CCG and was rejoicing endlessly after his first. He loves it! He was very proud to have avoided most of the VPs jumps this past run (yesterday afternoon). My 10 year old has not succeeded yet and was dissappointed yesterday when he went sad in the skelecog round, but he handles it OK. (I watched him make a big mistake in the cog round hitting a lured Mr. Hollywood by himself! - Ugh! I explained to him why he should have chosen differently afterward.) It's really hard for me to watch because sometimes their choices would be different from my own, but sometimes it works better!

My youngest must be one of those toons that drives people nuts. Constantly running around in places like The Brrrgh, Dreamland. Begging every black cat he sees to be his friend and getting upset when they won't. Races like a nut and surprisingly beats many people, does fairly well. Amazingly, some experienced toons take him along in 4-5 level buildings and the Factory and help him through! Even though he hasn't completed the tasks on DD yet, he's almost got building radar for every type of cog. Again, I let him play the way he wants to, so if a toon keeps pestering you to be his friend, at the least say "Sorry I can't" - he actually accepts that answer. What he doesn't like is when they don't respond. Our only struggle is he can get really upset when he loses a race. We just try to ride it out.

So basically, I let them play as they will, I help them as a toon, coach them when they ask, but do not direct them and discuss bad behavior and how they want to be treated.

We love the game, a fun, safe environment that provides valuable lessons on independence, collaboration, and how to help others.

Lady Googlebrains/Lady Calculus/ Weirdo Wolfie

This is the perfect example why I am so patient when playing. I imagine it might be a kid like my daughter who needs to get used to the way of play. I also will not build my daughter's toon as upset as she gets. If she doesn't battle and learn then she will be one in the VP with 100 laff and no strategy what so ever because she never learned it. When it comes time for her to battle her first VP it will be with the CCG...I will coach and help her understand what the suggested speedchats mean but other than that she is on her own .
As for crying...I'm more apt to do that than her LOL.

EDIT: ROFL Pinkersmirk! Wish I knew about this stinky bunch of ppl way back when I lost 4 suit parts everytime I stepped on the elevator! It was intense and the scenario I was thinking of is pretty much as you posted...Lost in the VP after waiting all day for a group of friends to take me on my first real run so I could quit trying to run with randoms and getting ditched! I lost in the pie fight after 45 minutes of battle...man THAT stunk!

[Pinkersmirk]

Oof lol.. You know the sad thing is I know many adults who have gotten emotional over this game too lol. I remeber how upset I got a long time ago before I became a Stinker of course.. Took Roxy Sparkleberry to her first VP as a Uber with the CCG before it was downgraded and went sad. Everyone tried so hard to keep me alive! When I saw them in the PG they made sure to let me know they were sorry I lost.. One even offered to take me to the street for a toon-up.. Waaah!! Geez where is the tissue avatar?.. Hormones I tell ya!! (Can I say that )

Ok I am better now! You All Stink!!

Originally Posted by allicat

As for crying...I'm more apt to do that than her LOL.

[Cool Spike]

Originally Posted by allicat

This is the perfect example why I am so patient when playing. I imagine it might be a kid like my daughter who needs to get used to the way of play. I also will not build my daughter's toon as upset as she gets. If she doesn't battle and learn then she will be one in the VP with 100 laff and no strategy what so ever because she never learned it. When it comes time for her to battle her first VP it will be with the CCG...I will coach and help her understand what the suggested speedchats mean but other than that she is on her own .

I absolutely agree. I have five kids between 3 and 9. Obviously the youngest is not able to play with any sort of strategy. He still enjoys to run arround, using random speedchat phrases and going without gags and 1/15 laff into the factory. All my attempts to keep him away from factory have failed so far. I'm just glad he can't get to VP and annoy anybody there. His 5 year old brother cares already about his toon tasks. He still doesn't play with much strategy and asks me alot which gag to pick, but he can also do it alone.
Both of them don't realy care much if they win or lose.

The oldest is the most serious player of them all. He got his toon to 99 laff all by himself. He has been in VP and CFO with the CCG and some random runs. On the other hand, he also had to learn what it means to lose. He had problems in the beginning and needed some time to cool down. But he had to learn, that losing should not be a problem and if he tries hard he will be victorious the next time.

I think Toontown CAN help kids to learn that you don't need to win all the time. It CAN help to see what can be accomplished if they work together. And - it CAN show kids, that not everybody is nice. But that only works if we parents talk with them about what they have seen in the game and how it can be projected into real life. Toontown is in many aspects just a mirror of the real world. If we use it the right way we can help our kids.

[Freckles Poodledoodle]

Originally Posted by Cool Spike

He still enjoys to run arround, using random speedchat phrases and going without gags and 1/15 laff

My 4 year old is the same way! That and now he loves to race! He really has no clue what he is doing, and he actually likes going sad! To him it is funny. He usually just runs around on the street and tries to kill cogs. On the rare occasion he gets a new gag, he gets so excited! He also loves to spend the jellies. That is how he ended up with his own toon. He was spending all of Mommy's jellies! Yikes!

[Cool Spike]

Originally Posted by Freckles Poodledoodle

My 4 year old is the same way! That and now he loves to race! He really has no clue what he is doing, and he actually likes going sad! To him it is funny. He usually just runs around on the street and tries to kill cogs. On the rare occasion he gets a new gag, he gets so excited! He also loves to spend the jellies. That is how he ended up with his own toon. He was spending all of Mommy's jellies! Yikes!

Hee hee. I know, what you're talking about . I went to the beanfest with his toon just to notice the next day that he has spend all his jellies again.

But, it helps me watching him. I can now understand much better, why toons are acting as they do. I understand, that some toons are not trying to annoy you. I understand why some toons spam you with random speedchat phrases. And I understand, why I end up in the factory with a toon without gags running in circles and attacking a level 9 with a squirt flower.
My kids have shown me how I have to deal with other kids. They tell me what they like and what upsets them. And I try to reflect that in the way I play.

[rezrov]

Hee hee! I also took my four year old's toon to the beanfest, and he immediately bought something like five desks, then whatever smaller price items he could get to run his jar down to empty. His house is a jumbled mess with junk scattered all around. Kind of like his room in real life?

[Lady Di]

Ok, this has come up before, but still not sure how to handle a situation such as:
12 people are left to go to CFO or VP. Eight load leaving a group of 4 unless others show up.
When I'm on that elevator with 8, I feel like I should exit to even up the groups! If I do that I may cause a shuffle.
Any suggestions? I may not be a member, but I do follow the rules. One being no shuffling, but still feel groups should be evened out with the last runs?????

[Silly Salty]

Rules say pack the elevator so i say load 8 and we've seen that 4 toons could easily win and there are always those stragglers that come along after weve all gone up/

[JellyrollDandyzilla]

Originally Posted by SillySaltyDoggenKlunk

Rules say pack the elevator so i say load 8 and we've seen that 4 toons could easily win and there are always those stragglers that come along after weve all gone up/

Yes, there are stragglers. A few days ago, because of misadventure on my part and lack of merits on Monty's we were a couple of those stragglers. I know it stinks to be one of the ones left behind after the last full elevator goes but I was relieved to see those left. Adding the two of us in, we had a full load and if I remember right, we won. If I'm one of the ones left after the last full elevator goes, I'll wait to see if anyone shows up because I know from experience not everyone gets there in time.

[Cool Spike]

My opinion: Stay on the elevator. I've been in the situation to be left on the platform and know it is frustrating not to find a group. But that is just unfortunate and should not be the cause of a shuffle.

[Deputy Monty]

Originally Posted by Lady Di

Ok, this has come up before, but still not sure how to handle a situation such as:
12 people are left to go to CFO or VP. Eight load leaving a group of 4 unless others show up.
When I'm on that elevator with 8, I feel like I should exit to even up the groups! If I do that I may cause a shuffle.
Any suggestions? I may not be a member, but I do follow the rules. One being no shuffling, but still feel groups should be evened out with the last runs?????

Salty you are correct in stating that 4 can do it, and that rules say...blah blah blah but, I usually consider the situation starting with

(1) "what time is it?" If it is BEFORE actual run starting time, I almost always pack on the last spot. If it's after and we've already put through a crowd so more toons are less likely to show up, I will quickly assess the toons involved.
(2) Am I leaving 4 strong toons to go with 7 toons who have some very weak teammates. Or are the 7 toons on the elevator strong enough to handle the boss cog and I can be more help to the 4 left in the lobby.

Sure, the guidelines say PACK on, but they don't say "leave your common sense back in the pit." All of my toons are strong enough and I'm familiar enough with the CCG members that I feel comfortable making this decision.

However, to answer Di, once I load, I will NOT get off the elevator. I don't even get off for Cold Callers as I seem to be unable to do that gesture without causing shuffle. My solution is to hang back while I'm assessing the situation and if I decide I'm not going to load but "help a friend" (and you are all friends), then I will back down from the platform. Others can pack on if they wish, that's their prerogative. Like Dianne, my toons are usually looking to see how they can best help out.

[Oswald Pepperfish]

Originally Posted by JellyrollDandyzilla

A few days ago, because of misadventure on my part and lack of merits on Monty's we were a couple of those stragglers.

I was hanging back, trying to ask people to "wait for my friend" at that run, so Jellyroll and Monty could tp to me - but everyone decided it was time to go. lol I'm glad you guys were able to help out the last elevator!

[Deputy Monty]

Originally Posted by Oswald Pepperfish

I was hanging back, trying to ask people to "wait for my friend" at that run, so Jellyroll and Monty could tp to me - but everyone decided it was time to go. lol I'm glad you guys were able to help out the last elevator!

It's unfortunate when we have friends who are so close and yet so far. But, both you and your friends need to be aware that once on the platform, toons should be ready to load. I cannot TELL you how many times I"ve had toons want us to "wait for my friend" when there are already 8 of us there, ready to go. WHY would we wait for more people? If anyone wants to wait for a friend, they should leave the area and do so BEFORE they board the elevator.

However...if there are not 8 ready to go and someone announces "let's wait for my friend" that is another matter. I HATE to leave with less than eight when there are others close by. But, if the majority loads and decides they are going to run with those present and willing to get on the elevator, I will usually load up with them rather than let them go short.

Just for the record...Most the "short one (or two)" elevators I've allowed to depart have gone off to fight the CFO. Toons with Cashbot Suits are much better prepared fight the boss cog and can easily do so with fewer team members than the the toons who go to the VP.