soundless doesnt mean less(im gonna vent)

[sequoia rain]

Originally Posted by Little Boo Boo

It was sooo much fun doing Boss with you! Since we are maxed now i now its tuff on you. Silly Chirpy and I helped as much as we could. I would still come and do a couple 9's and 6's with you but need to get Chirpy to come along with the Organic Sound. Yes sound does get boring at times ...I like a challange every once in a while. and I try and help as much as I can with the soundless toons. They have a ruff time out there!

Way to go Jellyroll! Keep up the good work! Can't wait till you Max!! You are the Greatest!! xoxoxoxo

Yes I Wanna Ride The Trolley!

Thank you soo much little boo boo.You are the other half of the team with silly chirpy that has helped me so much. I always felt relief when i could catch a run with you 2. And you guys are very lethal in the CEO. Dont worry about me i think i may have enough stick to it iveness enough to get thru this headquarters. I look forward to more with you though ill be back to cfo's soon. So hop on board hee hee

[sequoia rain]

Thank you Chip nice to hear from you I hope others listen and have this attitude. Ill cu you very soon in TT. good luck on your options.

[LoneWolf01]

Yeah trust me I know being a soundless is tough (since my main toon is a soundless.) I can't tell you how many times I got rejected from the factories, mints,etc. just because of not having sound gags. One time (before Bossbot HQ) I went in the DA's office D with three other toons who were all secret friends. When I was on the second floor and at the first round of cogs. They all waited for me to start the fight while they stayed away and watch me go sad. It took me while to figure out as I was going sad that they didn't want a soundless in the group so they decided to get rid of me. I was so mad that I decided to stay off of Toontown until Bossbot HQ arrived. This was the worst rejection experince I ever had and it still haunts me to this day. And this happened when Lawbot HQ was still new. But so far I hadn't had anymore problems like that, but you never know

[frogabog]

I've watched Jellyroll Featherflap get shuffled more than once. Having played with him before, I knew he was a great player regardless of being soundless and watching it was quite maddening. It was pretty sad seeing the shuffling against what I know to be a fabulous player. GRRRRR!!

We aren't friends in TT (or anywhere) either so my perception is pretty unbiased there :~}

I for one prefer to sound through but I'm more than happy as well to drop the mutant, at least in 3's but rarely am able to because toons get all funky on me when I do.

Regardless... my had goes off to you Jellyroll... I would NOT want to be a soundless toon working Boss! U Rock!

[ambear]

And Ambear thank you for letting others know that soundless toons are worth playing with and helping me with 9s or asking friends to help me ty. [quote]

You are very welcome. No Regrets.

[Bluey Cat]

I fell bad for you.... why do people care about you not having sound? It the weakest gag in the game! Your like my bro... he dosen't have sound and he's getting stinked.....

[Miss Cuckoo]

Originally Posted by Danny

Just because someone has the right to not run with a soundless doesn't make it ok. It is just a game, but, believe it or not, you can do things that are wrong in it. Refusing to go with a toon because of a gag he/she doesn't have is one of them.

People see a soundless standing by the back-9, and they freak out like it actually takes that much longer to run with a soundless. In all reality it doesn't take that much longer at all. Maybe 10 minutes? Honestly, what else are you going to do with those 10 minutes? Seriously, quit being such babies, and DARE to take that extra 5-10 minutes to run with a soundless toon. You may realize how stupid you are for avoiding them after you actually try it.

Sorry this happens to you though... Unfortunatly, it always will.

Um? Those 10 minutes, Danny, do add up and yes, actually, you have a lot of things you can do in 10 minutes ESPECIALLY if your mom is threatning to pull the plug to your computer because of just those extra only 10 minutes, maybe you have to be somewhere and just found out about it, and maybe in that extra 10 minutes you lost your connection. Don't even give me the whole sound thing if you don't go with them your stupid, or a baby, or later on you'll think it is, that isnt true, at all. It is anyones choice to go with a soundless or not, and that doesn't make it stupid. As its also not stupid to not choose sound. You get to explore other gags, learn better stratagies, and have more a challenge, which in my opinion makes a game more fun. Now, I'll ussually go with a soundless and do anything, however, if that soundless really has no stratagy I'll never go with them again because hey you can not have stratagy and just sound your way through but when your built without sound and still don't know how to play, thats a shocker to me. I like soundless and am making one but some people don't, and no one should be degraded for it. No one also should be discriminated against for being soundless by being stunk, griefed, etc., however, people are allowed to go without someone if they're missing something. I don't think its always wrong to avoid someone because of there gags because you don't know that persons side, maybe they have to be somewhere in an hour exactly, not an hour and 10 minutes, who knows? I like soundless and I do go with them but I don't like how you call the people who have a different opinion than you babies. To me it doesn't seem like they're the babies. Grow up.


To OP and anyone reading, I say this because I've been on both ends. I use to never mind soundless but wouldn't want to go with them, rather waited outside that mint, whatever, than go in there and stay longer. I didn't mind them in cfos, vps, or any boss fights and not in factories either, but in mints and da's, I mean I'd go with them but I really wouldn't want to. Now I ussually don't care and will go with them, although, honestly I rather not but I ussually do. Cgcs for me are different though because you're constantly getting fogs and they can kill v2 which could potentinally make the cgc faster. I don't think its right any one whose gagless to be judged, however, unless verbally abused or griefed as in trying to kill your toon, following you, etc, I don't think its right to judge the person who wont go in with you because of your gags. I don't like it when people say the "I think you should choose....." and then they refuse to go in with you or stink you but I think its more appropriate to just sit on the sidelines and wait for the soundless to board or let the group board then go in, without trying to hurt the soundless feelings. Now if someone says the I think you should choose phrase but says sorry aftewards I find that a little more understanding. No one should be judged, but it'll happen and some of those people who do judge really are nice people and who will ussually go with a soundless. I have so many sfs who are so nice to soundless and everyone but sometimes they just wont go with them because they really are in such a hurry. I don't think its right to judge them because quite frankly if they werent rude you have absolutely no right to judge them.


And remember I say that as being a victim of what its like to be discriminated from your gags. I don't and have never had it as bad as soundless but there are those days. I do find it wrong but at same rate I do think there are acceptions. Toontown is just like the real world, there will always be someone who wont like you and will judge you for whatever reason, you have to learn to accept it and move on.

[Tinkercat]

And Chip thanks for the compliment! I tend to do three holes because I just can't deal with people not wanting to go with my dear Soundless Tinker Cat, my toon who I feel has her own personality! I would love to have a Tinker Cat doll!

Also been trying to balance my life more lately so not on as much. But still plugging away at Boss and will need to go back and get last golf trophy and last 4 fish someday!

Tink

[EJC]

I have made a back nine run with a soundless and two organic sounds. It was surprising that I did an elephant and the other two did their fog horns and this damage actually got rid of the Level 11's!

[Splink-Splink McGillicutty]

Originally Posted by gillysillytillygirly123

I fell bad for you.... why do people care about you not having sound? It the weakest gag in the game! Your like my bro... he dosen't have sound and he's getting stinked.....

My response below is slightly OT. I'm not going to defend shuffling and stinking soundless toons. It's mean and misses the point of toontown.

I wanted to address the point about sound being the weakest gag. That's not quite accurate -- it's only the weakest when you're facing a single cog.

Up to level 6 gags, sound is the only one that does more total damage as the number of cogs increases. So when you're facing 4 cogs, a foghorn is the most powerful level 6 gag in terms of total points. A single foghorn does 50 x 4 = 200 points of damage. A TNT only does 180.

Clearly there are times when using a TNT or piano makes a lot more sense than a foghorn. Sound is often not the best choice. But when you're facing 4 cogs with toons that have sound, sound is effective precisely because it is the most powerful gag in that situation, not the least powerful.

(Level 7 gags are a different story. Since all level 7 gags hit all cogs, the opera singer is definitely the weakest.)

CraigC

[Big Coconut]

Um? Those 10 minutes, Danny, do add up and yes, actually, you have a lot of things you can do in 10 minutes ESPECIALLY if your mom is threatning to pull the plug to your computer because of just those extra only 10 minutes, maybe you have to be somewhere and just found out about it, and maybe in that extra 10 minutes you lost your connection. Don't even give me the whole sound thing if you don't go with them your stupid, or a baby, or later on you'll think it is, that isnt true, at all. It is anyones choice to go with a soundless or not, and that doesn't make it stupid.

Just want to point out, how does one B9 with a soundless add up? Unless you're going with a soundless every time, which you are likely not, there is no extra 10 minutes the second time. I don't know about you all, but from what I've seen, soundless toons are rare in Boss, and you really should try going with one. Of course, if they are 106 laff with gags up to quicksand and big weight, obviously they should be back in Cash... but if they have maxed gags, and a large laff limit, they most likely know what they're doing. You should trust them. Don't avoid them if you see them again after a rough B9, they are probably new to Soundless Stratagy. Also, it isn't just the soundless that has a weird stratagy. Everyone with sound has to follow different fog combinations to get the job done... some toons refuse to try that stratagy because it may take too long. Soundless' job is rough too... but they have no choice.

If you are afraid of your parents telling you to get off the computer, tell them that they need to give you at least an hour warning so that you won't go in the B9. If you need to rush to make that limit and won't go with a soundless, don't even go to the CGC. What's one B9 that night going to change when you max, and what's a few extra B9s with a soundless here and there going to change it either? Considering you have full days worth of B9s to do to max that suit, a few extra "10 mins" here and there should not make a difference.

[Benfrriend]

I am soundless too.


Its very hard to get in a bullion or CGC sometimes. But people who say "Running back 9s are boring." They just don't know how boring it use to not just click ele, fog, move to next battle, fog, play cog ball, kill the next cogs blah blah blah... With sound it makes it yes, a bit slower but soundless are greifed more than tuless (not to say that *I* grief them, just something I've noticed.) The best way to stop them, bring a high(er) lvl sf who wants to come too. They might rather go w/ you and the 130 then just you.

[Winky Beaniebouncer]

I have had the honor of playing with Jellyroll Featherflap a number of times and have no quams about running anywhere in TT with him just because he is soundless.

[Danny]

Originally Posted by Miss Cuckoo

Um? Those 10 minutes, Danny, do add up and yes, actually, you have a lot of things you can do in 10 minutes ESPECIALLY if your mom is threatning to pull the plug to your computer because of just those extra only 10 minutes, maybe you have to be somewhere and just found out about it, and maybe in that extra 10 minutes you lost your connection. Don't even give me the whole sound thing if you don't go with them your stupid, or a baby, or later on you'll think it is, that isnt true, at all. It is anyones choice to go with a soundless or not, and that doesn't make it stupid.

Sorry, I guess I'm just going out on a limb here, but I ASSUME that most people that avoid soundless aren't thinking, "Oh my gosh, my mom might come and un-plug my computer before I get to finish, because this toon is soundless."

Besides, if that does happen, just tell your mom, "It's going to take me an extra 10 minutes to do this, because we're with a soundless toon!" I'm sure she'll understand

The truth is, in some rare situations, those 5-10 minutes can effect you, but it's pretty unlikely... But, it doesn't add up to much, and your arguement really didn't make it seem like it did. What you were saying could happen in ANY situation; it has nothing to do with time adding up. You could be halfway through a CFO battle, and your mom could come and threaten to un-plug the computer. You could be on AIM talking, when your mom comes in and threatens to un-plug your computer.

And, IMO, refusing to run with a toon, because they don't have the sound gag track IS stupid. I guess that's why they call it an opinion, because not everyone agrees with it.

[Miss Cuckoo]

Originally Posted by Big Coconut

Just want to point out, how does one B9 with a soundless add up? Unless you're going with a soundless every time, which you are likely not, there is no extra 10 minutes the second time. I don't know about you all, but from what I've seen, soundless toons are rare in Boss, and you really should try going with one. Of course, if they are 106 laff with gags up to quicksand and big weight, obviously they should be back in Cash... but if they have maxed gags, and a large laff limit, they most likely know what they're doing. You should trust them. Don't avoid them if you see them again after a rough B9, they are probably new to Soundless Stratagy. Also, it isn't just the soundless that has a weird stratagy. Everyone with sound has to follow different fog combinations to get the job done... some toons refuse to try that stratagy because it may take too long. Soundless' job is rough too... but they have no choice.

If you are afraid of your parents telling you to get off the computer, tell them that they need to give you at least an hour warning so that you won't go in the B9. If you need to rush to make that limit and won't go with a soundless, don't even go to the CGC. What's one B9 that night going to change when you max, and what's a few extra B9s with a soundless here and there going to change it either? Considering you have full days worth of B9s to do to max that suit, a few extra "10 mins" here and there should not make a difference.

What are you talking about? In that whole entire thing somewhere I said:

Cgcs for me are different though because you're constantly getting fogs and they can kill v2 which could potentinally make the cgc faster.

And actually now that I think of it, it adds up to 30 minutes sometimes, and yes every SINGLE back 9 I've done with one soundless has added up to atleast 10 minutes. I havent went with idiots either, it was with smart toons but it still took longer, and I've done a lot of back 9s with soundless, a lot. So again what are you talking about? And no I won't go in with a soundless who has no stratagy again because if they're above 100 laff I think they had enough practice with being a soundless. I never said I wouldn't go in with soundless, you obviously didn't read everything I said. I said it does add up time and a lot of people don't want to waste that extra 10 minutes because you know what 10 minutes is definitely something. 10 minutes is a big deal to someone who has a tummy ache for that long, for someone who only has only a week more to live, someone risking their lives, and I sure would hate if my math class was 10 minutes longer. My whole argument in that was people who don't go with soundless (silently) shouldn't be yelled at or called rude. Rude is someone stinking you for being soundless. Just as its your right to be soundless its theirs not to go in with soundless. And you know whats funny? Some of my soundless friends on their second toons tell me when were about to do a mint or back 9 or something "no I dont want to go, they're soundless" Ironic, huh?


and Danny I was just using examples. Like if you know you're getting picked up at 7 to work out or something and think you can fit in a quick back 9 and then those 10 minutes are something especially if your friend walks in on you playing toontown, knowing you you'd probably x out wasting a whole hour.