The Chief Executive Officer: Cogsuit Levels and CEO Difficulty

[The Dogfather]

Originally Posted by ABOXONADA

I have a question

i could understand the math for the tables and cogs, but till i read all the posts(just did it now lol) i could see the number of pink slips change too... is there any way to know how many u will win, once u have that tables and cogs and dificulty math done?

If you dont want to do the math for every CEO, you can tell how many pink slips you will get only after you see how many tables and cogs there are at the banquet and what type of cog is present. This is for sure the easiest way to tell, but if you would like to know before hand you will have to do the math.

The Dogfather

[ABOXONADA]

hummmm let me see if i got it

the number of pink slips depends of the dificulty of the ceo.... so if the ppl i go with,if the math was on easy its one, and if is the hardest its like 4?

And, i have to say.... im ur fan LOL i would never do a solo i think but after read urs solo reports, i must confess i wanna try SOMEDAY, maybe a far day LOL

[The Dogfather]

Originally Posted by ABOXONADA

hummmm let me see if i got it

the number of pink slips depends of the dificulty of the ceo.... so if the ppl i go with,if the math was on easy its one, and if is the hardest its like 4?

And, i have to say.... im ur fan LOL i would never do a solo i think but after read urs solo reports, i must confess i wanna try SOMEDAY, maybe a far day LOL

The CEO battles gives from 1 to 5 pink slips depending on the average of all the suits:

1 pink slip - 8 tables with 4 CRs per table
2 pink slips - 9 tables with 5 BCs per table
3 pink slips - 10 tables with 6 CRs per table

The 4 pink slips is tricky, because there are two types:
- 10 tables with 6 CRs per table - at BC19 average
- 8 tables with 8 BCs per table - at BC20 to BC34 average

5 pink slips - 13 tables with 5 BCs per table

Hope this helps make it more clear.

Out of anything I have ever done on TT, soloing has been the most fun. You just get a huge rush throughout the whole battle. You should look into it sometime. Should you ever need some tips on any of the bosses for a solo, dont ever hesitate to send me a PM.


The Dogfather

[Alvin Twinklestink]

Hey Dog!
And here I am reporting CEO battles where I say there are 7 tables...but you will notice, if you read them, I also say "I think" and I usually ask if there is any way to actually screenshoot the number of tables. I really don't feel right running around counting them when I should be feeding. I am sure that somewhere in all the discussion someone mentions how to count tables, but can you make it easy for an old man? How can I actually see how many tables there are and how many cogs?? My experience is that the best screenshot has the CEO blocking the view and the doorway hiding some tables. Then, when the feeding starts all I see are the backs of cogs in chairs.

[The Dogfather]

Originally Posted by Alvin Twinklestink

Hey Dog!
And here I am reporting CEO battles where I say there are 7 tables...but you will notice, if you read them, I also say "I think" and I usually ask if there is any way to actually screenshoot the number of tables. I really don't feel right running around counting them when I should be feeding. I am sure that somewhere in all the discussion someone mentions how to count tables, but can you make it easy for an old man? How can I actually see how many tables there are and how many cogs?? My experience is that the best screenshot has the CEO blocking the view and the doorway hiding some tables. Then, when the feeding starts all I see are the backs of cogs in chairs.

LOL! Well what I usually do is take a look at how many cogs per table and the type of cog to help me determine how many cogs there are going to be. If the number of cogs is 5 BCs per table, I look at how many tables there are in the room by counting the number of rows. You can clearly see the difference between 9 tables and 13.

8 table battle has 4 CRs per table
9 table battle has 5 BCs per table
10 table battle has 6 CRs per table

8 table battle has 8 BCs per table
13 table battle has 5 BCs per table

The tables are arranged in a 3x2x3x2x3 format (look at banquet overview figure). The figure shows where tables 9 and 10 are placed when they come into play. It also shows what the room will look like when all 13 tables are present.




Hope this helps.

The Dogfather

[Alvin Twinklestink]

Originally Posted by The Dogfather

LOL! Well what I usually do is take a look at how many cogs per table and the type of cog to help me determine how many cogs there are going to be. If the number of cogs is 5 BCs per table, I look at how many tables there are in the room by counting the number of rows. You can clearly see the difference between 9 tables and 13.


Hope this helps.

The Dogfather

Well, sort of, but do you know if I can get some kind of look or shot by toggling through the Tab key or jumping or looking down and jumping or some kind of funny thing so I can "see" everything?

[Dippy Megajinks]

Just my two cents DogFather...
64 cogs (8 cogs at 8 tables) is very difficult yes... but 65 cogs ( 5 cogs at each of 13 tables) i think is more difficult because you have to walk further to get to the cogs.

Thanks for the charts and descriptions tho...WOW! lots of work went into that.

[The Dogfather]

Originally Posted by Alvin Twinklestink

Well, sort of, but do you know if I can get some kind of look or shot by toggling through the Tab key or jumping or looking down and jumping or some kind of funny thing so I can "see" everything?

I usually use the TAB key to help me take pics.

Originally Posted by Dippy Megajinks

Just my two cents DogFather...
64 cogs (8 cogs at 8 tables) is very difficult yes... but 65 cogs ( 5 cogs at each of 13 tables) i think is more difficult because you have to walk further to get to the cogs.

Thanks for the charts and descriptions tho...WOW! lots of work went into that.

Its my pleasure helping make the game easier.

Well actually the 65 cogs with 13 tables is the same as the 64 cogs with 8 tables, because regardless if there are 64 or 65 cogs, you will never get to the last cogs. The most cogs that can be fed in 5 min is about 33/34 cogs. So, in a CEO with that many cogs, you should never go after the farthest ones, because there is no way to feed them all. Since you should never go after the far ones, it then makes no difference how far or close the unfed ones are located.


The Dogfather

[Crumblesnooker]

Once again, another amazing and spectacular guide by the Dogfather (:

Do you ever stop being so intelligent?

[Fräulein Trixie]

After reading all this really nice collection of knowledge I am still missing one thing: What are the results of the values, meaning which average values of cog suits lead to how many amounts of pink slips rewarded?

I would have expected that once you got all combinations together, we would know before even entering the elevator, if it will be an easy, modearate, above moderate or difficult battle; of course you can tell it is a very difficult battle leading to 5 pink slips when going with at least 7 Big Cheese Level 50s.

As a result I wished that the Excel sheet that you can use to determine the avg cogsuit levels tells me how many tables of cogs there will be and such also knows the amount of pink slips.

As Alvin Twinklestink said before it is quite hard to actually see and count the amounts of cogs in the banqet hall, so it would be nice to use the avg. values you've gathered now to determine the outcome.
Is that possible now?
cu,
Fräulein Trixie
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[Alvin Twinklestink]

Originally Posted by Fräulein Trixie

As a result I wished that the Excel sheet that you can use to determine the avg cogsuit levels tells me how many tables of cogs there will be and such also knows the amount of pink slips.

As Alvin Twinklestink said before it is quite hard to actually see and count the amounts of cogs in the banqet hall, so it would be nice to use the avg. values you've gathered now to determine the outcome.
Is that possible now?
cu,
Fräulein Trixie
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Actually, If you scroll down to table 2 in post The Chief Executive Officer: Cogsuit Levels and CEO Difficulty, you will find you can take the average suit level calculated by the spread sheet and find the information you want

[Fräulein Trixie]

Ah yes, I've seen that before, but doesn't it still give an answer only if you see the cogs in the banquet hall?

Let's recall the chart here



So does it mean, that if you go in with

• eight Micromanagers Level 4
  (or any other avg. cog suit value of 16 or below)
  it is Level Easy -> 1 Pink Slip?
• eight Corporate Raiders Level 8
  (or any other avg. cog suit value of 32 or below)
  it is Level Moderate -> 2 Pink Slips?
• eight Big Cheese Level 18
  (or any other avg. cog suit value of 46 or below)
  it is Level Above Moderate -> 3 Pink Slips?
• eight Big Cheese Level 34
  (or any other avg. cog suit value of 62 or below)
  it is Level Very Difficult -> 4 Pink Slips?
• eight Big Cheese Level 35 and above
  (or any other avg. cog suit value from 63 and above)
  it is Level Difficult -> 4 Pink Slips?

If this is the case and the essence of this whole thread, why didn't anyone stretch it out yet? If it is correct, it could easily be included into the excel chart too (and I know someone who would surely include it into his fansite as a calculation means to forecast the reward). I added the modified Excel Spreadsheet with these considerations now.



I also haven't quite understood why there is a "Level Very Difficult" that is lower than "Level Difficult". Or is it just a typo?
cu,
Fräulein Trixie
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[Alvin Twinklestink]

Originally Posted by Fräulein Trixie

Ah yes, I've seen that before, but doesn't it still give an answer only if you see the cogs in the banquet hall?

No you dont have to see the cogs in the banquet hall. If you calculate your team's average effective cog suit level and locate it on the chart, say you calculate 28.6, that is effectively like haveing a load of Head Hunter 9s, and then if you read across you will have 9 tables each seating 5 level 12 Big cheeses and you will get 2 pink slips if you win.

I am excel challanged and have no idea why that was not added to the info machine.

I think the Dogfather also explains in the text why the battle gets easier at one point as effective cog suit level goes up.

[Fräulein Trixie]

Yeah right, he said

To me, I find a CEO with 13 tables easier than one with 8.

I just now understood that you're not seeing these 13 tables each time in the banquet hall. I always thought some are left empty during the feeding round, but that's not the case.

Perhaps this chart illustrates it for better understanding? At least it does for me now:



You have to face the fact that hardly anyone will ever calculate the avg cogsuit values before entering the elevator. You'll go with the ones you meet and won't (or at least shouldn't) be bothered to leave the elevator only because the expected reward is too little.

Nevertheless, this was a great calculation and wonderful common effort of the people to find out the values.
cu,
Fräulein Trixie
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[JaMan51]

You don't have to exactly count to figure what you'll get. Just look at the highest suit, the lowest, and figure how many are in between. Estimate what you'll get, and then you should have it. I'm sure this has been answered for you, but no need to bring out the calculator.

As for your post with the chart, that information is included. Just calculate the suit level, look across, and you know what to expect. What isn't included?