fishing in other estates?

[Ladybug Wrinklepretzel]

I am a 104 toon and not to brag but.....it was not that hard to get there from fishing laff boosts.(at least for me) But my question is if you guys try fishing in other toon's estates? I did this and on my second cast i caught the holy mackerel!(which gave me a laff boost) I don't even know if that was why i got it but since i had tried fishing in my estate along time i figured it couldn't hurt to try.

Do you think it was just random that I caught it there or do you think it was because I was at my friend's estate?? Just wondering

Ladybug Wrinklepretzel
104lp

[Batleth]

Honestly, I think you got luck. But the Holey Mackerel is easier to catch now than it used to be before the update. It is catchable in any pond, but I still believe it is slightly easier at the Estate.

[Momo]

I also did not catch my Holey Mackerel until finally visiting a friend's estate (I got it in the first bucket there). Prior to that I had probably pulled out 30-40 buckets from my own estate.

[Aunt Nutmeg]

Originally Posted by Momo

I also did not catch my Holey Mackerel until finally visiting a friend's estate (I got it in the first bucket there). Prior to that I had probably pulled out 30-40 buckets from my own estate.

I've tried fishing at other toon's estates as well, but finally caught my Holey Mackerel a couple days ago at my own estate. I did have a friend visiting and fishing with me, though. I actually invited him to come fish because he needed one or more of the sea horse fish (which he didn't get!). I got my Mackerel in my first bucket. And I caught it on the second pier from the left, but I don't think that makes any difference.

Aunt Nutmeg, 104 (finally), maxed gags, dropless, Mingler 9, gold rod, 40 fish

[good o' biscuit]

I went to my sf's estate. He caught a holey. I caught an Arabian, and another toon caught an All star plus Arabian in the first few buckets. So it really makes me wonder if its easier to catch rare fishs in other's estate.

[Rattlebones]

Other on line games have a philosophy of making things easier for groups of toons. So in theory this could easily have been done. Afterall, I assume Disney wants you to visit other toon's estates, or else why create them? There really isn't a good reason except as a jellybean sink and a clothes locker. So, in theory they could have coded it to be easier to catch certain fish if 2 toons are in one estate fishing.

I wouldn't put it past them and it would be a good thing. Given I haven't caught anything in a week I think I'm going to put it to the test this weekend.

[Preciouspop]

I caught the Holey Mackerel at my estate.

[CoolFangsSupercorn]

I caught a cog fish!

[Rattlebones]

I did a little testing last night and I'm convinced that fishing at other's estates is a productive use of one's time.

I fished at my wifes and caught the arabian on 1st cast (been after it for 2 weeks).

Brought my wife to mine and she caught arabian, clydsedale and mackeral in first bucket.

Of course this is just annecdotal but seems consistent w/ other observations.

Also has any one else noticed that certain "fish shadows" seem to consistently deliver bigger valued fish and others lower?

[Batleth]

Oh no, not with the shadows again. We've had several people do such studies and then when someone else tried to check out their studies, they came up with totally different results.

It's human nature to try to come up with a logical pattern to some times random events so our brains can make sense of things better. We've discussed this is length on several threads. I even had a short lived pier theory that I even managed to prove wrong myself. Fishing is done totally random by a Disney's server. We've pretty much proved this fact, short of actually looking at their coding. Disney isn't going to show us their coding and they aren't going to tell us how fishing is truly done. We have made several educated guesses eliminating what isn't about fishing. Some of the better minds on this forums have gone over the possible programming, coding, mathematics, and the possible probobilities.

We do know that there are no differences between the fishing shadows and the different ponds. We know that with each cast a pick is made, from that pick if a fish comes up, a weight is determined. If you can't support their pick with your rod, then a boot is more than likely picked instead. A boot is more than likely among the picking of items as well as jellybean jars. Yes, we do know that a computer random picking can create a pattern, but that pattern may be quite complex or the chances to actually get a certain pick by continual picking is astronomical.

So please read through some of the threads before coming up with a theory about fishing.

[Rattlebones]

Well, that's an awfully haughty reply for someone who hasn't read the code. Quite simply, any theory I've seen put forth here I can develop programatically; not limited to the shadows, the piers, or even the once caught it is easier to catch theory.

And I distinctly recall

Originally Posted by WizardHawk

If you read the thread where Disney sent a reply to Tonado about fishing, it would suggest that the 'swap a boot for a heavy fish' theory is wrong. They stated that it WAS harder to catch rare fish with higher poles because there were more fish added to catch.

which pretty much blasts what you said above.

[Batleth]

But not all species are catchable in every pond. Out of a possible 52 pickings, each pond have conciderable less pickings in each pond because of this.

I didn't mean to come across haughty, just I've seen so many theories lead so many astray and come up with even more wild ideals that end up being proven wrong in the end. I started fishing the morning fishing was released on test. Since then countless toons have tried to get an edge on fishing and failed. In the end, we all cast a bean into the pond and we get a fish, a boot, or a JB jar.

I'm sure you can tell by the fishing guide, that I'd rather give toons clear cut proof since I refuse to give actually percentages to catching a species. Instead I use Disney's rough rarity values of being rare, common, etc. The TUFS is doing research to show clear percentages of catches per species.
If you believe you've come up with a sound theory to fishing, please present it but don't be surprised if several try to disprove and prove your theory.

[Rattlebones]

I'll buy everything you said and make a couple comments :

1) I didn't espouse any theory as being actually valid.
2) I said it seems to be easier to catch Estate fish in other people's estates
3) I noted this is anecdotal evidence
4) The shadow thing was an observation I had made while fishing, especially in the Brrgh.

You're right most theories don't hold up but some theories bear some exploration. I was just curiuos as to the shadow observations of other fisher toons.

That said, just because someone says it isn't true doesn't mean it isn't. We have no way to track certain things (like shadows) while we can track things like fishing in other's estates.

Zman and I are both software engineers and we happen to work together and happen to discuss the coding behind fishing on a regular basis. We've been able to come up w/ algorithms to essentially account for any theory we've seen on the boards here. Disney certainly could have coded any of these theories into the game, we'll never know if they did since they don't bother to interact with the community.

That said, I have another observation. Seems when I cast (in particular in the Brrgh) to a certain spot I nearly always catch a certain type of fish. While again this is programmatically possible, I highly doubt it's programmed this way. Just wondering if anyone else seemed to have the same observation or if I've just made a pattern out of nothing.

[Aunt Nutmeg]

I've considered this in my time at the fishing holes. But that would make it nearly impossible to catch certain fish.....hmm. Aren't we all saying that no one has caught certain fish?

Anyhow, the only way to test this theory would be to cast in exactly the same spot twice and actually have a shadow there so you could catch a fish. Or have two toons fishing and cast in the same exact spot, both catching a fish so they could compare. Not easy. I've wondered about this but put it down to my mind not having anything else to do while fishing.

As for the "boot is a fish to heavy for your rod" theory, that would result in more boots caught with the lower rods and I haven't found that to be true. Looking at TUFS should dispel that theory as valid. I know some toons with gold rods (as mine is) that catch a LOT of boots (more than me if they are not exaggerating while fishing with them at a pond), although that is just anecdotal. More likely would be each rod has a table of fish that are catchable and each cast picks from this table (which would include the boot and jb jar possibilities).

Yes, Batleth, I agree, the human mind struggles to make sense out of chaos. Where there is lack of knowledge (Disney won't reveal coding secrets) theories and supposition will abound. Not unlike all the theories for whether you are having a boy or girl based on hundreds of insignificant little signs. What does it hurt to keep guessing as long as we all keep in mind that they are theories after all. It's just a game, right? If we don't catch all 50 fish because we base our fishing on untrue theories it's really no big deal. Frustrating, yes, but in the grand scheme of things it's of little importance.

Aunt Nutmeg

[lilpinkangel7415]

u wrote alot so i read ... none but just sayin they posted in october nobody is foin to answer u lol