something else I have wondered...

[Kehawin]

I have browsed this forum for a while, and haven't seen any mention of this yet. If it has been mentioned, please pardon me... but...

Something occurred to me as I was switching back and forth on my toons, fishing like a fool.

Super Chunky MacMonkey has her gold and 34 species. Caught 3 new species with the steel *after* ordering the gold but before the gold came in the mail.

Prof. Von Jabberwoof has 15 species, sticking with twig for now. (I would bet you can guess which 4 she doesnt have?)

One of my toons has the Captain, one has the Clara. They were caught a day apart.

The one with the Captain has caught several. The one with the Clara has caught several.

Hmmmmm.

After cursing fate for the third time, I got to thinking. We don't get fuzzy dice, talking frogs, or ice cubes unless we need them. And now I am positive we get certain fish much easier if we DONT need them. Could this not be a coincidence? Is it possible that there is some code written to make the first fish of any kind more difficult to catch, but much easier after that? I am not a programmer, I honestly dont know.

Some statements from past news archives:
"The more you fish, the better you get."

Is this true right now?

"Just like the ice cream cones, catching fish will heal you faster after a challenging Cog encounter."

Because this isn't.

"Specific rods, lures, and bait will attract certain fish. "

Lure and bait????

"Some fish will be more rare than others and the rarer the fish, the more healing power it will have."

Could lures and baits be coming, and could those be the answers to the stuff that doesn't seem to be happening?

"The Old King Crab is a rare breed that can only be found on Lighthouse Lane."
"The very rare Baby Grand Piano Tuna and the extremely rare Grand Piano Tuna seem to be most attracted to gold rods, but are still a tough catch."

The last quote was from the December email newsletter. Just wanted to throw that out, in case anyone didn't get or didn't save that newsletter.


So what do you think? Is it possible that there is a built-in code that makes "breaking the ice" with a species the most difficult part? I have fished with friends who caught a fish I didn't have (but they already did) on the same "shadow" at the same time (same rod even).

[MrsWeebert]

You make an interesting case, though I have no insight to offer as far as lure and baits.

Disney did say they were working on the fishing due to the amount of requests they received from the "frustrated" toons.

I myself was wondering if the docks have anything to do with it. I mean, if you're on one dock for an hour and then you switch, does this increase or decrease your chances for catching the original fish you were after.

Perhaps there are no theories, it could indeed be nothing more than luck of the draw.

Then I was also wondering, does it take a certain fish to catch another one.
Like say, if you have the Holey Mackeral, are your chances higher that you'll catch the Panda?

My husband is a programmer, he says they can do just about anything they want with code as far as what pops up when.

Little old me? I just fish for hours on end hoping something new will pop up and reassure me that those fish really DO exist!

[Lil]

These are all good thoughts. As far as lures and bait and healing go, I believe this release was written a long time before fishing came out. I'm sure these were all ideas that they had but didn't end up using. Maybe they will someday, who knows. I believe I also hear rumors that we could keep fish at pets but that hasn't happened yet either.

"The more fish you catch, the better you get" might just refer to your skill. I'm sure you miss less than you used to and now know the best places to fish. There might have been plans to have fishing EXP that you acrue but that doesn't to be the case now. Also, I don't know why we always talk about bigger rods making things more rare without talking about the possibility of bigger rods intrisically being better at catching certain species because it is a better rod. While I'd think that would make sense, I do agree that it doesn't seem like that is true.

As far as making the first fish harder to catch, yes it is possible for them to do, but not likely. I am a programmer so I know it shouldn't be too hard. However I don't think they'd do that. The goal should be to program it to be as statistically similar to real fishing and that feature wouldn't be very realistic. More likely it is your mind trying too hard to find patterns in your random luck of catches. Humans are good at this, too good.

[MrsWeebert]

Originally Posted by Lil

More likely it is your mind trying too hard to find patterns in your random luck of catches. Humans are good at this, too good.

My mind trying to find patterns?

Naw, just trying anything that will make the time appear to pass faster as I fish.

Since when did theories or wishful thinking become a bad thing?

[Lil]

Originally Posted by MrsWeebert

My mind trying to find patterns?

Naw, just trying anything that will make the time appear to pass faster as I fish.

Since when did theories or wishful thinking become a bad thing?

I'm not saying that it is a bad thing to think, but it is a known phenomenon that people think they see causality where none exists. I've you've ever taken a high school literature course you know what I'm talking about. ha ha. j/k. I just think that the obervation that it seems harder to catch the first of a species than to catch more is probably no more real than the observation that a shadow that was a boot and hasn't moved will be again or that there are more boot on the last friday of the month (no one has made this claim about toontown, but other games I know of).

It was a good question about "breaking the ice" I'm just saying that I don't think that is actually happening. I could be wrong.

[MrsWeebert]

Hmm.

It doesn't matter if it IS or ISN'T happening.

That is why it's called a theory, not an opinion. My theory is not my opinion, ya dig?

*sighs*

[Lil]

Originally Posted by MrsWeebert

Hmm.

It doesn't matter if it IS or ISN'T happening.

That is why it's called a theory, not an opinion. My theory is not my opinion, ya dig?

*sighs*

I'm not sure I do quite "dig", but I'm not sure that we are talking about the same thing since I wasn't responding to anything you said in the first place. I was talking about the original post.

[MrsWeebert]

Originally Posted by Lil

It was a good question about "breaking the ice" I'm just saying that I don't think that is actually happening. I could be wrong.

No, we are on the same subject.

You said you were not sure if it was happening. And I said, "It doesn't matter if it IS or ISN'T happening, it's a theory, not an opinion..(regarding patterns and such)!

[zman]

Excellent topic...I was wondering about this the other day. My daughter and I were fishing...we were both fishing in TB. I was looking for the alaskan king crab, which she already has. I have probably caught 70-100 buckets in TB brug without seeing that darn crab. Over the course of 10 minutes, she happily pointed out the 4 alaskan king crabs she has just caught...so I grounded her! ha! Seems like there might be something to your theory, or she is just very lucky!

BTW, I did finally catch it last night ... yee haw!

zman

[MrsWeebert]

I'm glad to hear you finally caught it.

My theory is plausable.

I say this because when I fished the other night with Lady Bumblebee, she and I were seeking the same species.

The Panda Bearacuda and the Holey Mackeral.

I ended up with the Panda and she ended up with the Holey Mackeral.
I noticed, through asking her, that she and I had some of the same species in our books, though we also had ones that the other was missing.

I was merely trying to imply the possibility that the fishing could be programmed in that manner. ( i.e, you can catch species #9 easier if you already have caught species #4)

Either way, we would all just like to have them, right? In the end no one cares how, just that they get em'!

[Lil]

Originally Posted by MrsWeebert

No, we are on the same subject.

You said you were not sure if it was happening. And I said, "It doesn't matter if it IS or ISN'T happening, it's a theory, not an opinion..(regarding patterns and such)!

That's fine, I wasn't critizing his theory. He asked the question is this real or just a coincidence? is it possible it is programmed like that and so I answered his question saying that it is possible but I'm pretty sure that it is just a coincidence. I didn't mean for this to turn into an argument. I'm sorry if there has been a missunderstanding. forums aren't the best method for clear communication.

As far as your theory goes about one making the other more common, again I think it is possible and certainly an interesting theory, but I doubt they would do something like that. It is good to come up with all the theories we can though.

[WizardHawk]

If this theory were correct, then I would see more holey mackeral's and clara's after I caught them. I got the holey mackeral as soon as I got the bamboo rod, like just a few buckets in my estate. I have not seen another one since and I did a LOT of buckets there with HW and steel. From my experience, it seems totally random. It took me a long time to get the Panda (far longer then what others data showed should be normal). The other day I got two in one bucket with the gold rod while I was looking for the Grizzley on walrus. I don't think this was because I already got one, it was just part of probablity theory. In essence, it made up for the drought I had with that fish.

We are close to 21k fish catches in TUFS. That is starting to get to the point where detailed stats would be of use. This project should answer posts such as this one with ease. It should also tell us how much harder mega rare fish should be to catch because we can draw direct assumptions from the stats on semi-rare fish. I have input a ton of data from the steel rod and have started adding data from the gold rod. If we are getting enough from the twig through hardwood, then it should tell us if there are interesting programming techniques used such as suggested by this post. We would see substantial varience from toon to toon based on which fish they have already caught. I have suggested that this could be possible before, but I would be really surprised to see it if it turned out to be true.

[MrsWeebert]

Originally Posted by WizardHawk

If this theory were correct, then I would see more holey mackeral's and clara's after I caught them.

A theory doesn't have to be correct, for if one were, it would now be a fact. (this isn't being said sarcasticly, ok)

Secondly, it can perhaps be random. I don't have a problem excepting that

On another note, it took me 47 buckets to get the Panda. Once I finally did catch it, I began to catch it more frequently.

[Taffy Bumberfoot]

Originally Posted by MrsWeebert

A theory doesn't have to be correct, for if one were, it would now be a fact. (this isn't being said sarcasticly, ok)

The whole point of a theory is to allow people to ponder whether or not it could be a fact. That is what Lil was doing.

[MrsWeebert]

I agree Taffy.

Though I wasn't commenting on Lil's post, I was speaking to Wizard