last 2 fish...major gripe here...

[The Dogfather]

Originally Posted by Matt Wild Horse

It may be random probability, but then that means you need to increase your opprotunities to catch it.

Thats why I say just keep fishing, because you need to increase the opportunities you have by just keeping the lure in the water.

Originally Posted by Matt Wild Horse

I would also venture to say that the fish isn't always available. It may only be available to catch at let's say for example between 1:15 and 1:20 PM and you have a 1 in 1000 chance of catching it when you cast but only if you cast during that time frame.

I say this about the fish not always being available because sometimes when I am fishing I will get a ultra and a few buckets later get another of that same ultra. Seems strange to fish for days without seeing an ultra and then see 2 of them in a few buckets.

There is other oddities to fishing that I have noticed. Like some days are just really really lucky days for a certain toons. I have seen toons catch all there ultras in one day. I have never had this happen to me, but I have had days that I keep pulling in ultras and records. And then I have had days that I will fish 100 buckets and not even get a new record let alone any ultra rares or new species. For this reason I think people that want to max fishing need to fish everyday 50 buckets in one sitting.

I wish everyone the best of luck out there. I would love to help anyone the best I can. I believe you all can do it.

Good Luck,
Matt

Thats just speculation and no way it can be proven that these fish are only available at certain times or days. It is a good thought and quiet a possibility, but being able to catch 2 of the same rare fish on the same day, eventhough you have not seen one in months is what random probability is all about. Sometimes luck is in your place while other times its not. Random probability is varying outcomes, and that is what fishing has, too much variation. These fish can be caught anytime as long as you have the right fishing pole.

The Dogfather

[Sky Waffle]

It's so hard to catch a new species for me and I have only caught like 24 species!

I probably need a new fishing rod.

[mildew102]

Originally Posted by cool crumblepow

I seriously cant stop laughing, not at you, with you. The dedication. I have 8 more togo. I dont fish for 8 hour shifts, nor have I ever done 50 buckets in a day, but I admire those of you that have. Margaret where are you? Lets go fishing.

If we get a group of 4, that is only 10.25 buckets each. If we fish for 10.25 buckets with the same 4 toons every day for 6 months -- if we don't catch the ultras at least we will be very good friends at the end.

As much as I would love to increase my laff, I couldn't do what these folks have done. Its just not worth it to me. I would much rather have a challenge of skill in the game. Fishing and gardening are solitary, boring, and non-skill based. Fishing adds the delighful feature of being totally random! Perhaps this belongs in the stinky or rants page (stinky rants? where's Crab E Dog's voice of reason) but I have enough fish in my freezer to last a lifetime.

Would anyone like a fillet? I just happen to have some on hand.

[The Dogfather]

Originally Posted by mildew102

If we get a group of 4, that is only 10.25 buckets each. If we fish for 10.25 buckets with the same 4 toons every day for 6 months -- if we don't catch the ultras at least we will be very good friends at the end.

As much as I would love to increase my laff, I couldn't do what these folks have done. Its just not worth it to me. I would much rather have a challenge of skill in the game. Fishing and gardening are solitary, boring, and non-skill based. Fishing adds the delighful feature of being totally random! Perhaps this belongs in the stinky or rants page (stinky rants? where's Crab E Dog's voice of reason) but I have enough fish in my freezer to last a lifetime.

Would anyone like a fillet? I just happen to have some on hand.

Pass me a fillet, I'm hungry, LOL


The Dogfather

[mildew102]

Would you like it baked, broiled, boiled, or fricasseed? I am sure you must have some good fish recipies. What do you do with 100,000 fish, anyway?

[The Dogfather]

Originally Posted by mildew102

Would you like it baked, broiled, boiled, or fricasseed? I am sure you must have some good fish recipies. What do you do with 100,000 fish, anyway?

I like mine broiled. I ate about 5 of them, while the other 99,995 are in the freezer still LOL!

The Dogfather

[Matt Wild Horse]

Originally Posted by The Dogfather

Thats why I say just keep fishing, because you need to increase the opportunities you have by just keeping the lure in the water.



Thats just speculation and no way it can be proven that these fish are only available at certain times or days. It is a good thought and quiet a possibility, but being able to catch 2 of the same rare fish on the same day, eventhough you have not seen one in months is what random probability is all about. Sometimes luck is in your place while other times its not. Random probability is varying outcomes, and that is what fishing has, too much variation. These fish can be caught anytime as long as you have the right fishing pole.

The Dogfather

I don't want to argue with you over fishing, because I agree with your math. I am a math geek myself. I know I can't prove what I said. I think the only point that we disagree on is that it seems you believe that it is a straight randomization. I believe it is radomization with some variables mixed in, that either make it easier or harder depending on ??? and ??? or ???. And there is no way for either of us to prove that the variables exist or don't exist. I would pay big money to see the lines of code they used to make the fishing program.

I also think we came to the same conclusion. To catch all the fish you need to fish alot and fish often. So, in conclusion I want to say, Dogfather is one smart fisherman. I love your "sticky" on fishing. For a math geek it is a good read. Thanks.

Also, I don't have much for fish in my freezer. I hate fish other than fish sticks with so much tartar sauce I barely know I am eating fish. In fact, I just looked we have one box of fish sticks and I threw it out, it has been so long since we ate fish that it had become freezer burned. I will take a good steak over fish anyday.

Good Luck,
Matt

[mildew102]

How about Maple fish sticks? Or Dogwood sticks? I think I would like to see some Apple fish sticks, too. The animation might be hard, but I think you are on to something.

Maybe instead of making it easier to fish, Disney could add sauces to the ponds. Would you like some clam sauce with your cat fish? Or salsa with the king crab? How about the ol' standby tartar sauce, I think it would go well with the cutthroat trout.

I say lets have a fish fry at the pond to celebrate the joys of fishing! I'll bring the tartar sauce!

...:tropical fish:

[The Dogfather]

Originally Posted by Matt Wild Horse

I don't want to argue with you over fishing, because I agree with your math. I am a math geek myself. I know I can't prove what I said. I think the only point that we disagree on is that it seems you believe that it is a straight randomization. I believe it is radomization with some variables mixed in, that either make it easier or harder depending on ??? and ??? or ???.

No argument, it’s just that I am very much so grown on facts. Although the inclusion of random variables is a possibility, and a great idea, we are so limited on TT that it’s just not measurable and results in only speculation. Just like the theory that "the longer breaks you take on fishing, the longer fishing takes." I can’t say that is fact, although I have seen a pattern to fit that theory, I just don’t have enough evidence to say that it is fact. Not enough people that I have observed to take long when they take long breaks. The thing that is worth stating is that this theory is measurable and can be turned into fact.

Originally Posted by Matt Wild Horse

And there is no way for either of us to prove that the variables exist or don't exist. I would pay big money to see the lines of code they used to make the fishing program.

This gives me a great idea, because I am there with you on finding out. I do know a handful of people that have seen some of the code, just not sure what extent or what sections they have seen. I just think this is funny, because, although none of them know each other, all 3 of them told me the same exact thing. Each of them told me it’s very ugly, LOL, which makes me understand why there are so many problems on TT. I will try to find out if there is any light in regards to finding out about fishing.

Originally Posted by Matt Wild Horse

I will take a good steak over fish anyday.

Good Luck,
Matt

You have got that right; just don’t know what to do with all these fish, LOL.

Originally Posted by mildew102

I say lets have a fish fry at the pond to celebrate the joys of fishing! I'll bring the tartar sauce!

...:tropical fish:

Maybe we can just use TNT on one of the ponds due to all the frustration and celebrate the show by eating steak and fish, LOL.


The Dogfather

[bluedog]

My first toon, at 17 lp I caught the devil ray in ttc. When I started fishing for lp, in the brrgh, first day I caught 3 ultra rares in 20 hours of fishing. The first month I went from 54 fish to 69 fish. The last one took me months to get, it seemed very disproportionate in time.

After fishing for 10 to 20 hours a day I start imagining many patterns, the weight of the fish, how many stars in each bucket, how many boots, how fast I filled the bucket, it goes on and on. However, in the end I have not noticed ANY true patterns. Except one, I heard a rumor that to catch the Grizzly to fish 5 buckets on each pier on Walrus, go to another pg and fish 5, then come back and fish 5 more. (I believe that was the pattern, it has been a long time though) I actually caught it doing that, on the first try. I know its absurd, just the coincidence of it was stunning. Don't rely on this because it is a total fluke, I had already fished for days on that pond.

2nd toon, I created him just for the doodle at first. 3rd bucket at 15 lp, he got the All Star. It seems very random to me, but with Disney, it could be they like to make it easy the shorter you play, harder the longer. I did hear that a long time ago, it was much easier to catch them all before they had fisherman at the ponds.

I do not think they keep a record of how many total fish you have caught, or when you complained they would take it more seriously when they saw, 253,000 lol. They have been known to make mistakes, there were many fish that were in the wrong ponds, and a few that were uncatchable at first.

There is nothing I have found that shows us (on the client side) any hints as to patterns or procedures to catch them all.

My belief is to stay at the same pond, the closest pier to the fisherman, in the quietest district until I catch one. I try to make it as easy as possible, never counting buckets or focusing too much on how I hate it.

I do notice that I always seem to catch one about 5 minutes after I lose all hope of ever catching it, spending my life at that pond.

[LittleBizzyMcMush]

Yes i do agree to this whole thread... but is it really worth missing the time to hang out with your sfs on tt...i meen it is only 1 laff boost...i meen seriosly...Is it all that worth it?

(my opinion)


good luck,
Matt (yes my nick name is matt too)

[Sourmash]

I see some interesting thoughts about fishing and I guess in TT anything is possible since the minds of the developers at Disney are pretty unpredictable.

From what I have seen Disney say about fishing and the responses I have seen and heard about concerning fishing I will repeat my theory that fishing is a lottery. You can compare the spinning data base that each cast of a toons rods hooks into to the spinning basket of ping pong balls used in lotteries. Fishing odds are most probably a little worse because each cast has all the numbers remaining in the data base.

Each cast of a toons rod has the same odds as the first cast he made. Being at different ponds and having bigger rods will change the odds a little toward certain species but the point is the first cast I made with my gold rod has the same odds as the last one I made. Its a lottery and I may not ever get them all.

So this theory says that the number of fish you catch in a day can be equal the number I have caught in a week and we have the same chance of catching the same species. So say I've fished for 4 years and caught 200,000 fish and you have fished for 6 months and caught the same number. We should have the same odds of catching the 70 species. We have both done the same amount of work.

[raydawg]

I read sourmash's statement and couldn't agree more, the odds are the same on each cast, With that being the case a toon may never catch the last fish. I agree toontown needs to correct the fishing program they have running. Can you just see the look on Hundreds of kids faces after they have fished month after month and still no new fish, I ask you, is this the disapointment disney wants for the KIDS? I would hope not!

[BayouGirl]

I can't believe Disney made fishing so hard, especially since this is supposed to be a game that targets younger people, many of whom lead structured lives and have limited game time each day, if they even get to play every day. How is anyone ever going to finish fishing if they only have 30 minutes or an hour a day to dedicate to gameplay? It's only fun if it's something you can actually look forward to achieving - sometime this millenium.

I agree with those who feel that as it is currently structured, it's basically impossible, and Disney is wrong to say 'just keep fishing' when people who have fished for two years with great effort still have nothing to show for it. It's very few people who have time to fish thousands of fish each day/week/month. As it stands, it's just ridiculous.

[The Dogfather]

Yes, fishing is a pain, because it is random probability where the odds never change.

Originally Posted by BayouGirl

I can't believe Disney made fishing so hard, especially since this is supposed to be a game that targets younger people, many of whom lead structured lives and have limited game time each day, if they even get to play every day. How is anyone ever going to finish fishing if they only have 30 minutes or an hour a day to dedicate to gameplay? It's only fun if it's something you can actually look forward to achieving - sometime this millenium.

I agree with those who feel that as it is currently structured, it's basically impossible, and Disney is wrong to say 'just keep fishing' when people who have fished for two years with great effort still have nothing to show for it. It's very few people who have time to fish thousands of fish each day/week/month. As it stands, it's just ridiculous.

This is why TT is a family game and not just a childrens game. How many young children are able to effectively coordinate with eachother to defeat the CJ or even the CFO? I agree that fishing is waaaaay too difficult and just ridiculous, but everyone does have the chance to catch them all. Not only is it people that can play everyday or fish everyday that catch them all, its also the lucky people that do as well.

From my analysis of dozens of different fishermen, it is like a lottery, just plain random probability. I also found that there are some people that have all of the luck in the world and had to put forth minimal effort into fishing, while the majority fished for more fish just to catch one new species than what it took the lucky ones to catch them all.

I know for a fact that Disney will change how fishing is done, because I did speak to a Disney rep that told me that eventually fishing for the current fish would be more manageable. This made me think that, that is cool, but then I realized that we have more room for more fish and made me realize that although they will make fishing easier for the current fish, but they can also just make it difficult again for the new ones to come.

The Dogfather