Getting a bit tired of this...

[Coolchewbaca]

I'm really getting tired of going to fight the vp and all of the people just leave. shouldnt people come to sellbot tower to fight the vp? I'll never go up in level if I can't fight!

[coolmilly]

yeah that always happens and it not fair and expesaly people who mr hollywoods wes hould do it to them

[Rubber duck]

im not surprised ur 42 laff u should wait till ur 80+ laff B4 u fight the vp

[Mr Red Bull]

Originally Posted by Rubber duck

im not surprised ur 42 laff u should wait till ur 80+ laff B4 u fight the vp

Yes i have to agree, you don't even have cream pie or Hose yet, i've ran four toons and never entered a VP before id got my Birthday Cake. I think 80+ is a bit harsh tho, I think as long as you got Birthday Cake and Hose and TU of Lipstick/Cane and common sense u qualify.

Best thing is bring your strongest gags, concentrate on wining and not gag training, and use common sense, let the big toons lead, communicate as much as u can with speed chat of your intentions, then it should be a fairly smooth process.

I think u shud get in some builds and build your gags up a bit and get in next playground, 50+laffs before you VP as ull find being stranded on elevator a common thing as well as losing in battle a bit common too, unless u get lucky

However Cold Callers Guild do VP runs for all toons, they don't allow shuffle(just remember to visit their section and read how they play the fights, they have systems that they like all toons to follow to allow best chance for all toons to win)

'Keep it Kool :cool'

[xtoontown]

Originally Posted by coolmilly

yeah that always happens and it not fair and expesaly people who mr hollywoods wes hould do it to them

No, because there are some NICE Mr. Hollywoods (like me).
I start off with me, a Mingler, and all the rest cold callers. The Mingler Ditches us. Do I leave? NO. I stay there and help all those cold callers advance their suits, because I know that MOST of us WILL live. I know we WILL get to the pie part, and from there, I can send him down in a second.
-Proves that there ARE nice Mr. Hollywoods

But, yeah, I totally agree. Too many shufflers.

[Cool Winky Doggendoodle]

Originally Posted by Mr Red Bull

Yes i have to agree, you don't even have cream pie or Hose yet, i've ran four toons and never entered a VP before id got my Birthday Cake. I think 80+ is a bit harsh tho, I think as long as you got Birthday Cake and Hose and TU of Lipstick/Cane and common sense u qualify.

Best thing is bring your strongest gags, concentrate on wining and not gag training, and use common sense, let the big toons lead, communicate as much as u can with speed chat of your intentions, then it should be a fairly smooth process.

I think u shud get in some builds and build your gags up a bit and get in next playground, 50+laffs before you VP as ull find being stranded on elevator a common thing as well as losing in battle a bit common too, unless u get lucky

However Cold Callers Guild do VP runs for all toons, they don't allow shuffle(just remember to visit their section and read how they play the fights, they have systems that they like all toons to follow to allow best chance for all toons to win)

'Keep it Kool :cool'

I have to disagree you don't need your birthday cake. 8 toons in the 40 to 50 laff range CAN defeat the VP. All it takes is some teamwork.

In the first battle you will want to go for the kill and not overkill the cogs. You can save your powerful gags for the second round of cogs. Remember that level 11's and 12's can hit for a max of 24 so you will only want to keep one of them unlured because of the chance you will go sad.

I start VPing my toons around the 27 laff range.

[Mr Red Bull]

Originally Posted by coolwinkydoggendoodle

I have to disagree you don't need your birthday cake. 8 toons in the 40 to 50 laff range CAN defeat the VP. All it takes is some teamwork.

In the first battle you will want to go for the kill and not overkill the cogs. You can save your powerful gags for the second round of cogs. Remember that level 11's and 12's can hit for a max of 24 so you will only want to keep one of them unlured because of the chance you will go sad.

I start VPing my toons around the 27 laff range.

Well Maybe not, but ive brought up 4 toons and done in execess of 300 vps, and i've gotta say in most cases with 40-50 laffers ive lost every time, there are exceptions (but below 30 is not time for vping in my opnion, there plenty of other tasks to be done and youre exposing yourself to one hit death squad as far as im concerned), but a lot of 40-50 laffers do not have the aptitude to play the teamwork game properly, and as i said regardless of laffs most important thing is common sense and following the bigger usually more sensible line of the bigger toons (altho i agree that even that inst always the case)

One thing to remember with VP is play the beat the VP game and not what XP u think u would like to get, beat the VP first worry about gag experience later, play sensisbly as a team and keep together as a unit, and u can succeed in any case. I've done 4 toons, 3 toons and 2 toons, only thing not in my arsenal is the elusive solo, maybe one day, tho my friend is closer to that title.

'Keep it Kool :cool'

[Cool Winky Doggendoodle]

Originally Posted by Mr Red Bull

but ive brought up 4 toons and done in execess of 300 vps

I have been playing since July 04 and I have 3 accounts plus test! That would be 24 toons. I have never counted the vp's I've done but I do have a holly 50 and most others close to holly stage.

The VP is winnable at any laff. Teamwork is the key! Sooo many people look at laff or gags. You just play your strengths and cover your weakness.

[Rubber duck]

Originally Posted by coolwinkydoggendoodle

I have been playing since July 04 and I have 3 accounts plus test! That would be 24 toons. I have never counted the vp's I've done but I do have a holly 50 and most others close to holly stage.

The VP is winnable at any laff. Teamwork is the key! Sooo many people look at laff or gags. You just play your strengths and cover your weakness.

my task 4 u is to go in the vp with all 27 laffs and WIN it.

[Mr Red Bull]

Originally Posted by coolwinkydoggendoodle

I have been playing since July 04 and I have 3 accounts plus test! That would be 24 toons. I have never counted the vp's I've done but I do have a holly 50 and most others close to holly stage.

The VP is winnable at any laff. Teamwork is the key! Sooo many people look at laff or gags. You just play your strengths and cover your weakness.

Well thats nice for you, altho i doubt u have 6 toons on each account, not all yours anyways, and if u do i would wonder why you need 24 toons anyway. i think 2 or 3 on each account for yourself would be sufficient, cud never see me needing more than that, ever!

However thats besides the point. I have 4 on one account, i like making new toons and taking through the tasks again, so can hardly talk about too many toons i spose.

I see you have 118 laff toon, that shows u have experience. I dont disagree with the fact VP can be won at lower lvls, altho even i wud like see a group of under 45's that don't know each other, picked at random from the VP lobby, CC1's only aswell, do a VP, and see how many times they would have to repeat the process before they learned how to succeed, would make a great experiment! Not that it would ever happen.. which leads me on to my next point.

I dont look first at laffs or gags when in lobby, i look at suits first any CC1 will be scrutinised (i do like to have and idea of what gags are carried give me indication of what gags are likely to be thrown, CC1's especially as i class them as the unpredictable ones). I wud never go with all CC1's what ever laffs they were.

As what i think counts is VP experience, u can't truly understand exactly whats in the VP until you've done at least 5-10 VPs as it changes so much, one thing is for sure you battle as a team till the end, and don't play silly games or spend all your time training gags, if you want to win and that u learn as u get higher in suit.

I don't mind having certain number of CC1s in the line as long as i can see experience in at least half the elevator. After all CC1's cant gain experience of VP without doing them, and theres no where to practice(altho the strongest builds in DDL lvl5's with 10,11 or 9,11 on first floor is good practice).

And the suit experience conbined with 40-50 laffs is too low mentality that a lot higher toons have is why the poster of this thread is having trouble getting through first VP.

And to original poster and other in same situation i say again.

I stand by my recommendation of going to CCG run, and also reading up their site about how they play, their strategies are sound and are designed to take low toons through, a lot can be learned from the basic principles they apply to VP battling.

I also stand on my suggestion of continuing tasks and build gags more before really trying for VP, as i cant see why everybody needs to rush to VP as soon they done some factories, there are plenty of tasks and buildings to train in.
Go to DDL for example with four of your similarly strengthed friends(35-45) do some 5 storeys, when u can do them with ease then ure getting ready for VP. Complete a 5 storey with a 10 and 11 or first floor comfortably then your the masters!

[Captain Comet Thunderboom]

Originally Posted by Mr Red Bull

I also stand on my suggestion of continuing tasks and build gags more before really trying for VP, as i cant see why everybody needs to rush to VP as soon they done some factories, there are plenty of tasks and buildings to train in. Go to DDL for example with four of your similarly strengthed friends(35-45) do some 5 storeys, when u can do them with ease then ure getting ready for VP. Complete a 5 storey with a 10 and 11 or first floor comfortably then your the masters!

I agree whole heartedly. I'm beginning to get twitchy about taking medium laffers with me on VP runs because they almost always lack the experience required to battle groups of high level (8+) cogs. This is evident with them yelling 'Let's use sound!' when all they have is whistles and trumpets, and sometimes an aoogah. Sorry folks, those won't do the job. Even four aoogahs won't kill a level 8, even with the bonus damage. Four trunks, they have a chance, but when you get to 10's and higher even they are useless, unless a foghorn is added. (This the importance of foghorns, and why lots of people want to have them along.) The best strategy is to lure them in and then concentrate firepower on the cogs one at a time until you beat them, which is where their inexperience rears its ugly head yet again. Three toons go for one cog, the medium laffer tosses a fruit pie at a level 12 thinking it will kill it. Surprise surprise when it barely scatches it and it returns fire.

If you can survive a 5 story building in Dreamland relatively unscathed, you're ready to take on the VP. Those buildings have cog levels sufficient to replicate what you'll face in the VP. Medium laffers should cut their teeth there first, then tackle the VP. Doing so also gives the benefit of working gags, so your gag levels are at a more acceptable level.

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[MW Lemon Pit]

Would any one like to view my thread that I just started? It's about creating a group or groups who can VP together.

[Beany Picklepop]

I hate going in to do VP and the other toons don't have any gags, they have low laff or seem to be there just to ruin the run by not playing as a team.

I don't think you have to be an 80 laff but at least the ability to play as a team and understand stategy is necessary. I started doing vp when I was still below 50 laff and made it out just fine.

[Mid Knight]

THere is no point in wining about the elevator shuffle...its not like all of ur complaining is going to stop the noobs from doing what they do. it annoys everyone...not just u

[Loopy Scooter Gigglewig]

Originally Posted by Rubber duck

im not surprised ur 42 laff u should wait till ur 80+ laff B4 u fight the vp

Get real. 80 Laff? That seems more like the minimum for CFO. I did my first VP when I was 54 laff. Laff doesn't matter, SKILL does.