guys! I am surprised!!

[colonel]

Guys, I am so surprised. Why are you shuffling at CFO’s? I can understand at VP’s, there are some silly toons that come in with 1 laff, some with bad gags or low laff, some are just jerks.
But most of you who comes to defeat CFO have good gags. I’ve seen some short changes that had all the gags maxed, the lowest laff you can find is not less than 77. It’s just that some people chose to finish with the VP first and than move on to the CFO, they are experienced players. But you still chicken out. The funny thing is as soon as RB comes in some jump off straight away wanting to be with that RB only to be damped by him/her later on. Just go with your group. If there are 8 of you on the elevator, be rest assured it’s a good group with good gags. Can’t understand what your problem is, unless you are a snob and only go with some high suits.
Another point I want to make is: stompers! Stop eating all the treasures when you don’t need them. I end up with just a few points of laff in the end of the battle very often, because I leave it for a while, just until I am really in trouble. But I’ve seen some of you go straight for the ice-creams after you lose 2 or 3 points. There is no need for it at all, we have to leave some for crane operators, and for when we are in trouble, which is when you lose at least half of your laff matter, not just a few points. You are just being greedy.

[Video Gamer]

Here Here!

I totally agree, when I had Leon, (May he rest in peace!) I was surprised at the amount of shuffle, and I dies several times because of treasure-hoarding.

[DJ Max]

Me, personally, I don't mind going to cfo with low suits. But I can explain you what kind of risk is there when u go to cfo with beginners - it's not the cog part of the battle. Like you said, toons that gathered their CFO suit are minimum in their "late 70-ties" and most are even older! :xmas22:
BUT! No matter what is ur laff or gag level, if u don't know what ur doing during the craning/stomping part of the cfo - u can turn the whole CFO fight into a disaster for everyone. WHY ? I'll explain. Putting aside all the little mistakes that beginners do , I find 2 major and VERY common mistakes 'commited' by experienced toons as well, and they are following:

Common mistake #1: Not many toons know that "a safe will become his helmet" not only when somene puts it on CFO's head but also when THERE'S A SAFE LEFT ON THE FLOOR NEXT TO CFO!
Cfo grabes safes which are placed/thrown around him! - thats when u have this situation when inspite that CFO's helmet is being knocked off - a new helmet appeares out of nowhere endlessly!

And what I observed, is that often craners who don't know about that - put the safes in front of them, so that it is easier to grab for the next shot. THAT IS WRONG! KEEP THE SAFES BEHIND YOU!

Common mistake #2: In the tough CFO moments, like for example: helmet is on, good craners left cranes in search for treasures, many red goons are around, chaos and panic reins, so what can happen in this situation, and what I saw severall times - ther's often a toon (obviously a not experienced one) who reaches for the crane and blocks the goons exit with the safe, probably thinking that he will "save the day" this way by reducing the flow of red goons. THAT IS WRONG again!! Because this brings back to the situation discribed above (see: common mistake#1)
This makes CFO to have this "non stop" helmet and double difficult task for a craner - not only to knock the safe off , but to pull back the safethe that is positioned close to cfo, instead of using that moment to hit cfo with a goon. (and as u know when ther's a "sea" of red goons - time for craning is very limited - u get hit by the goons constantly)

Hope I was able to explain u one of the resons of high suits concern resulting in the elevator shuffle.

[colonel]

Originally Posted by DJ Max

Hope I was able to explain u one of the reasons of high suits concern resulting in the elevator shuffle.

Then use this opportunity to practice your crane operating/goon stomping. Most of short changes want to be stompers, which will give you the perfect opportunity to polish your crane operating techniques. I am greatfull if I just participate in a battle, which gives me more experience, because cog part is the boring bit, but so far there was no problem with it, no matter if I was with short changes or any other suits (cause we all are experienced cog fighters by the time we in ddl).
if you are a medium suit (and these are the the majority of shufflers), and want to go with RBs only and expecting them to do all the hard work, than when are you going to learn? So, one day you'll become a useless RB...lol (it's not about you, DJ Max tho, lol )

[furball]

I haven't personally been to the CFO yet but I'll make sure not to do any of those things and yeah shuffling at the VP i understand like when a 27 or 36 comes in becuz it's too easy for them to win the factory. Like u said all the ppl in the CFO are either mid-laffers or high-laffers. The VP any1 can get into, the CFO u have to complete tasks and be at a certain point. Idk y ppl would shuffle...ppl who shuffle at the CFO have very bad judgement.

[Dr. Bearinstien]

Originally Posted by colonel

Guys, I am so surprised. Why are you shuffling at CFO’s? I can understand at VP’s, there are some silly toons that come in with 1 laff, some with bad gags or low laff, some are just jerks.
But most of you who comes to defeat CFO have good gags. I’ve seen some short changes that had all the gags maxed, the lowest laff you can find is not less than 77. It’s just that some people chose to finish with the VP first and than move on to the CFO, they are experienced players. But you still chicken out. The funny thing is as soon as RB comes in some jump off straight away wanting to be with that RB only to be damped by him/her later on. Just go with your group. If there are 8 of you on the elevator, be rest assured it’s a good group with good gags. Can’t understand what your problem is, unless you are a snob and only go with some high suits.
Another point I want to make is: stompers! Stop eating all the treasures when you don’t need them. I end up with just a few points of laff in the end of the battle very often, because I leave it for a while, just until I am really in trouble. But I’ve seen some of you go straight for the ice-creams after you lose 2 or 3 points. There is no need for it at all, we have to leave some for crane operators, and for when we are in trouble, which is when you lose at least half of your laff matter, not just a few points. You are just being greedy.

u can come into the cfo with 71 laff, but its really hard.

its the same thing with the vp. if a baron goes on, all the sc follow. even other suits follow.

[DJ Max]

Originally Posted by colonel

So, one day you'll become a useless RB...lol (it's not about you, DJ Max tho, lol )

Phewww that was close lol

Speaking seriously - yes I see ur point.. And, yet, still it's not that evident, my experience shows that actually many beginners want to operate the crane , which is comprehensible , of course - they want to practice. In fact I think it's not the short change that put the mess (beside taking a good craner's place - they don't bring much harm, in case if they don't stomp) Who really turns things into a distaster is often - semi-experienced toons, who think they can operate but in real make the mistakes I mentioned in my previous post.. well..

There's is another often reson why RB sometimes jump out of the elevator - it's just that simply they try to get in with their friends. They go to cfo like with 2 or 3 friends - which makes them not enough numerous to form a separate group and go to an empty distric, so they try to fit into an elevator on a busy district. And with all toons trying to get in - its not easy to find urself with all of ur friends at "first shot"

[colonel]

Originally Posted by bukato

u can come into the cfo with 71 laff, but its really hard.

its the same thing with the vp. if a baron goes on, all the sc follow. even other suits follow.

well, it's just stupid, don't you guys have any pride????


ps. off topic, Max, let me disagree about a safe, I think in some cases it's good to block one side. When the place is absolutely packed with goons, you don't need any extras. The'd go out and blow up enetering a safe. When crane operators get rid of some of the excessive goons safe can be moved. But this is just my opinion. It did help in a couple of battles.

[darkgrundo]

I KNOW! one time every one in the cfo (in the crane part) died except for me and some other dog.

he was on red, and we were trying to get him killed but we were getting bombarded by red goonies. then a safe would pop on his head, that silly guy kept on thinking it was me. i told him no, but he pulled this for another 15 minutes until he saw a safe come from the sky.

they should have mata hairy explain the WHOLE thing, because some toons think that you can throw a safe anytime you want, and even if you say, don't throw a safe, they say in thier heads "well then, why did you throw a safe before?" this is why i hope lawbot hq will only allow high, high toons in. probaly 90+ laff.

i can see, well for sell bot hq, the average for normal people is 50+, because even the "help someone 50 or below kill the vp" tells what the normal level is for the vp.

for cbhq, they jacked it up by about 30, for 80+

and for law, i THINK they will bring it up to about 90+, so there will not be any "unsmart" people.

because i USED to know a "person" that let his 5 yr old play on his 105. and imagine if he was like, a newbie, he would be annoying us all over the place. thats why #1, they are trying to get a laff limit that is = to age.

you won't find too many young people playing on "experienced" toons, because the tasks sometimes go out of reach for young people, and for a little older people, they will usually have a time limit set by thier parents, so they won't get very far.

[DJ Max]

Originally Posted by colonel

ps. off topic, Max, let me disagree about a safe, I think in some cases it's good to block one side. When the place is absolutely packed with goons, you don't need any extras. The'd go out and blow up enetering a safe. When crane operators get rid of some of the excessive goons safe can be moved. But this is just my opinion. It did help in a couple of battles.

I will comment on this a bit later I'm at cfo at the moment , can't distract for long

BTW ' which Is really of topic here , but concerns u directly - since , as I noticed, ur a TT UK player.
One of the members started a petition for disney in order to make them allow TTUK players on test (as for now only US TT players can subscribe and play there) You can add ur signature here:

Test Town UK

Cheers

[Sir Tom Twinkletoes]

Originally Posted by DJ Max

Me, personally, I don't mind going to cfo with low suits. But I can explain you what kind of risk is there when u go to cfo with beginners - it's not the cog part of the battle. Like you said, toons that gathered their CFO suit are minimum in their "late 70-ties" and most are even older! :xmas22:
BUT! No matter what is ur laff or gag level, if u don't know what ur doing during the craning/stomping part of the cfo - u can turn the whole CFO fight into a disaster for everyone. WHY ? I'll explain. Putting aside all the little mistakes that beginners do , I find 2 major and VERY common mistakes 'commited' by experienced toons as well, and they are following:

Common mistake #1: Not many toons know that "a safe will become his helmet" not only when somene puts it on CFO's head but also when THERE'S A SAFE LEFT ON THE FLOOR NEXT TO CFO!
Cfo grabes safes which are placed/thrown around him! - thats when u have this situation when inspite that CFO's helmet is being knocked off - a new helmet appeares out of nowhere endlessly!

And what I observed, is that often craners who don't know about that - put the safes in front of them, so that it is easier to grab for the next shot. THAT IS WRONG! KEEP THE SAFES BEHIND YOU!

Common mistake #2: In the tough CFO moments, like for example: helmet is on, good craners left cranes in search for treasures, many red goons are around, chaos and panic reins, so what can happen in this situation, and what I saw severall times - ther's often a toon (obviously a not experienced one) who reaches for the crane and blocks the goons exit with the safe, probably thinking that he will "save the day" this way by reducing the flow of red goons. THAT IS WRONG again!! Because this brings back to the situation discribed above (see: common mistake#1)
This makes CFO to have this "non stop" helmet and double difficult task for a craner - not only to knock the safe off , but to pull back the safethe that is positioned close to cfo, instead of using that moment to hit cfo with a goon. (and as u know when ther's a "sea" of red goons - time for craning is very limited - u get hit by the goons constantly)

Hope I was able to explain u one of the resons of high suits concern resulting in the elevator shuffle.

You're sure hat he picks them up? They always look like they fall from the ceiling on to his head. And I've never seen safes nearby disappear when he does get a new one. Maybe I've just missed it everytime. Not saying you're wrong, I don't know. I'm gonna have to look more carefuly once i get my merits together.

[colonel]

Originally Posted by DJ Max

I will comment on this a bit later I'm at cfo at the moment , can't distract for long

BTW ' which Is really of topic here , but concerns u directly - since , as I noticed, ur a TT UK player.
One of the members started a petition for disney in order to make them allow TTUK players on test (as for now only US TT players can subscribe and play there) You can add ur signature here:

Test Town UK

Cheers

Oh Gosh, no! I am happy if I find some time for an ordinary game, never mind test. Work, family, plus trying to study for my second degree. Lol, it has been postponed now since I got myself hooked on TT. LOL! I feel very guilty,as I keep postponing my exam. Don't get me started on test as well! lol. But thank you very much for your offer anyway!

Rb's don't normally dithch, I mentioned medium levels, Tightwads etc. There is a perfect group of 8 on the elevator, all ready to go,a Loan Shark, or a Rb comes in, ooops, 2 or 3 jump off straight away, suckers!

[DJ Max]

Originally Posted by colonel

... But thank you very much for your offer anyway!...

It wasn't an offer ! It was an ORDER!!!

Well actually I don't want to motivate anyone here to play on TT test, just thought it would b nice of u to add ur "2 cents" in favour of ur fellow compatriots, but back to the toppic:

Originally Posted by colonel

...
ps. off topic, Max, let me disagree about a safe, I think in some cases it's good to block one side. When the place is absolutely packed with goons, you don't need any extras. The'd go out and blow up enetering a safe. When crane operators get rid of some of the excessive goons safe can be moved. But this is just my opinion. It did help in a couple of battles.

u can only get away with it if u have 2 or more good craners - who won't let CFO "breath" (i.e.: having cfo being hit/dizzed non stop) and then moving safe back shortly after. Once ther's already a helmet on CFO's head - putting another safe right next to him - is a mistake. In my opinion a grave one.

Well I can show u where it leads in practice during the CFO battle if u wish.

Now:

Originally Posted by Sir Tom Twinkletoes

You're sure hat he picks them up? They always look like they fall from the ceiling on to his head. And I've never seen safes nearby disappear when he does get a new one. Maybe I've just missed it everytime. Not saying you're wrong, I don't know. I'm gonna have to look more carefuly once i get my merits together.

Yes safes which are placed nearby and that CFO grabs and uses as a helmet (it's when u have a safe "fall from the ceiling" effect) they don't dissapear unfortunately - thats the problem - a safe which is positioned next to CFO will constantly be kind of a "source" for the CFO's helmet - but will always be there, no matter how many times CFO grabbed it and used it as a helmet, or how many times it has been kicked off. Untill one of the craners will pull him away - far from CFO - u will face the "helmet falling from the ceiling" thing.

[Cracka Jaxx]

Originally Posted by colonel

Guys, I am so surprised. Why are you shuffling at CFO’s? I can understand at VP’s, there are some silly toons that come in with 1 laff, some with bad gags or low laff, some are just jerks.
But most of you who comes to defeat CFO have good gags. I’ve seen some short changes that had all the gags maxed, the lowest laff you can find is not less than 77. It’s just that some people chose to finish with the VP first and than move on to the CFO, they are experienced players. But you still chicken out. The funny thing is as soon as RB comes in some jump off straight away wanting to be with that RB only to be damped by him/her later on. Just go with your group. If there are 8 of you on the elevator, be rest assured it’s a good group with good gags. Can’t understand what your problem is, unless you are a snob and only go with some high suits.
Another point I want to make is: stompers! Stop eating all the treasures when you don’t need them. I end up with just a few points of laff in the end of the battle very often, because I leave it for a while, just until I am really in trouble. But I’ve seen some of you go straight for the ice-creams after you lose 2 or 3 points. There is no need for it at all, we have to leave some for crane operators, and for when we are in trouble, which is when you lose at least half of your laff matter, not just a few points. You are just being greedy.

Some people just shuffle because they are trying to get in with their friends. But besides that I don't see why people would need to shuffle. lol and actually I've been in a cfo with someone who has 60 laff.

[Baums101]

Originally Posted by colonel

Guys, I am so surprised. Why are you shuffling at CFO’s? I can understand at VP’s, there are some silly toons that come in with 1 laff, some with bad gags or low laff, some are just jerks.
But most of you who comes to defeat CFO have good gags. I’ve seen some short changes that had all the gags maxed, the lowest laff you can find is not less than 77. It’s just that some people chose to finish with the VP first and than move on to the CFO, they are experienced players. But you still chicken out. The funny thing is as soon as RB comes in some jump off straight away wanting to be with that RB only to be damped by him/her later on. Just go with your group. If there are 8 of you on the elevator, be rest assured it’s a good group with good gags. Can’t understand what your problem is, unless you are a snob and only go with some high suits.
Another point I want to make is: stompers! Stop eating all the treasures when you don’t need them. I end up with just a few points of laff in the end of the battle very often, because I leave it for a while, just until I am really in trouble. But I’ve seen some of you go straight for the ice-creams after you lose 2 or 3 points. There is no need for it at all, we have to leave some for crane operators, and for when we are in trouble, which is when you lose at least half of your laff matter, not just a few points. You are just being greedy.

People do the shuffle usually to be with their friends I mean it is pretty well known.