CFO Glitches NEED TO BE FIXED!!

[Lady Gwen]

Hmmm. Well I did a run with Bubbles and she is in a better mood. She even let me do the cheat while holding a baby in my lap and feeding her breakfast (Apples and Oatmeal). BTW-I can even do the VP and CFO holding two kids on lap while on phone and balancing a spoon on my nose, not to mention writing this post.

All I have to say that this thread should be one of those countless and tiresome forums about RUDE toons or Kids/even adults that don't have patience to wait for others. If you have limited time then play later or skip the side cogs. Please use the phrase "Hurry" and "I have a minute". We all been there with time issues, just dont let others suffer for it. If you need to leave then do so.

Bubbles I will do a mint with you anytime (unless Im in one), and even if I do the cheat I will wait for you my dear.

Your loyal duck with ducklings on her lap.

[Peking Duck]

[I'd say it is an isolated situation and demanding Disney to remove this glitch for just one bad group of toons seems excessive and frankly mean to the many, many toons who use it responsibly.

Disney has a system for reporting abusive toons and should be used to report people like the ones you encountered, however don't punish everyone else over the sins of a couple of people.]

Wizard Hawk, I agree with you. I was very upset after this run and was extreme in the words I choose in my original post. Luckily I was more rational when I reported the first toon (and not the others) for bad behavior than when I wrote that post. However, I did need to explain the situation in my report and had the glitch not been there it would not have been possible for him to steal the whole run from me. It was a case of a toon using a cheat to turn the end of the run into a race at the very least. I'm trying to give this rabbit the benefit of the doubt and assume that there wasn't some sinister reason behind his actions. Whatever his intentions might have been, his behavior was selfish and wrong.

I'm not the first to point out the glitch to Disney nor will I be the last. I will answer any questions Disney may have but at this point I feel that they will do what they need to (they may think no action is required) and I'm completely fine with that. I will not be contacting them again about this issue. I won't apologize for handling the situation the way I did - it was my toon duty!

Thanks to all of the awesome toons I've run with since this frustrating experience. You've restored my faith in toon-kind!

Muah,
Princess Bubbles (blows a kiss)

[Skyjockey]

Can answer my questions please?!

Was it in coin mint?

Was it really a dog or cat?

Are you a blue duck?

Just want to know.

[j1218]

argh im sorry but this is total bs...if u cant get throguh the puzzle room regular and ur a 108 in time to catch up then i dont see how u can complain...it obviously took u ages cuz they had to get througha few battle to win the mint and if it took u that long then wow....

[Peking Duck]

Skyjockey, I was in a bullion run and am a cat who ran with a rabbit, a duck and a dog.

j1218, I'd exercise more care in calling something bs. It wouldn't be that funny if it had happened to you. I already said that I DID fall and at the very end which makes me have to run the puzzle room from the beginning again. Why would I lie about my preformance in that room? It's pretty embarrassing. Had the toons NOT glitched or even had a little trouble glitching I would have been fine with my time and been able to join in the supervisor fight. Had I not stopped and told them to "Wait for me!" I may have had enough time. I saw them hit the last cog. The toons who glitched had strong gags and it is very possible to kill quickly if no one is running out the clock or tooning up. I see that you're a pretty strong toon yourself so you know how quickly a group can be killed if that's your intention. Have you ever raced through a building, the mint or the factory with friends? I have on MANY occassions and know that it can be done pretty quickly.

Again, I don't care that they glitched. I do mind that they used a cheat to an unfair advantage. I'm assuming that Disney will, at some point, fix this glitch. I hope that each of you who hasn't yet learned to run through it can find patient toons to help you out. There are also toons who are finally receiving tasks for cashbot suit parts who will need a little extra help in the mint because it's new to them. Is it okay for those of us experienced with the mint to leave them behind because it takes them more than one run? We all have to learn at some point. Ironically, these toons who glitched were not very experienced running the other rooms. I'm guessing they don't have a lot of experience running the puzzle room either and I would have waited if they'd had trouble.

I've opened myself up to criticism about how I play the game by posting and I'm fine with that criticism. Please be careful before you question someone's integrity because that's where I see you are treading. You're welcome to run with me and see what kind of toon I am before passing that kind of judgement.

Do unto other (toon)s...
Princess Bubbles

It just occurred to me that this may be a simple misunderstanding. If you reread my posts, there were no other battles after the puzzle room and before the supervisor. We were at the end of the run.

[Skyjockey]

Oh, ok thanks, well I understand it wasn't your fault people have trouble doing the puzzle room and those toons should wait for you. You might be new or just struggling with it. Toons are getting meanier each day.

[kalan]

Peking Duck: I've opened myself up to criticism about how I play the game by posting and I'm fine with that criticism

yes this thread flew south, long time ago, and I would too. I just need to say, look for kalan, always willing to help. You should keep a list, really does save time. Good Luck!!!

[Emily]

Originally Posted by Boo Boo Bumbletoes

The puzzle was meant to be a challenge. Challenges are not "meant" to be met with a baby on your lap.

I'm still reading the responses but I HAVE to address this! I have played TT sooo many times with Princess Bubbles and she has always been an awesome player. A baby on her lap has never interfered with her game play.

Mine either for that matter. When Sell HQ first came out on open, we were all losing the VP battles regularly. My first VP win was with a 1 year old on one knee, and a 4 year old on the other. Both were fascinated by the game and happy that mommy let them watch. So don't tell me that a baby interferes.

For that matter, how many of us are on the phone or watching TV while playing TT. Both are typically much more distracting than a child.

As for falling, lag plays a role in this too. Not everyone has cable or DSL. For some it's the location. Not to mention that Disney doesn't have the fastest servers. So please wait. I wait for the smallest toon that I don't even think belongs in the mint, but I wait nonetheless.

Finally, in regards to how the game is meant to be played, I bet you would disagree that letting my 5 year old play my toon and do whatever she wants with it is fine. I have witnessed her shuffling at the bullion vator with my 50 laff toon. And I have let her take my 114 laff toon in as well and pick whatever gag she wants. It's a game *without* rules.

Have fun everyone, see you in the game.

[Lady Gwen]

Originally Posted by Emily

So don't tell me that a baby interferes.

I can speak for both of them. I have played with both Mouse and Kitties and have never interered with the game. I find rushing to the little shelia room is more of a distraction, while juggling two apples and an orange.

[WizardHawk]

Originally Posted by Peking Duck

[I'd say it is an isolated situation and demanding Disney to remove this glitch for just one bad group of toons seems excessive and frankly mean to the many, many toons who use it responsibly.

Disney has a system for reporting abusive toons and should be used to report people like the ones you encountered, however don't punish everyone else over the sins of a couple of people.]

Wizard Hawk, I agree with you. I was very upset after this run and was extreme in the words I choose in my original post. Luckily I was more rational when I reported the first toon (and not the others) for bad behavior than when I wrote that post. However, I did need to explain the situation in my report and had the glitch not been there it would not have been possible for him to steal the whole run from me. It was a case of a toon using a cheat to turn the end of the run into a race at the very least. I'm trying to give this rabbit the benefit of the doubt and assume that there wasn't some sinister reason behind his actions. Whatever his intentions might have been, his behavior was selfish and wrong.

I'm not the first to point out the glitch to Disney nor will I be the last. I will answer any questions Disney may have but at this point I feel that they will do what they need to (they may think no action is required) and I'm completely fine with that. I will not be contacting them again about this issue. I won't apologize for handling the situation the way I did - it was my toon duty!

Of course the devs are aware of any shortcuts that get reported here. Many of us also reported it when it was new on test (yes, I reported it too). The point is that what will make them address such things faster is if they are getting complaints where the glitch seems to be the reason that some players can get away with abusing others. It's the context that seemed unfair to the masses who use it responsibly.

If you have read what I've posted here, I've been defending your playing style to those intent on doing nothing but blameing you for the problem. I know that this is a clear cut case of grieveing. Yes they abused a glitch that not everyone can do in order to leave toons behind and take out the supervisor. Obviously they were not happy with the earlier conflicts you said you had and they set out to punish you for it. Rest assured that if they keep that up and do it to others that Disney will take action. We saw simular things when there were major short cuts in the factory and those who abused it where eventually kicked out of the game. At least it seemed that way since those toons were never seen again.

[Boo Boo Bumbletoes]

Originally Posted by WizardHawk

No, the only thing 'clear' is that you made drastic assumptions about why she may have been left behind.

There was nothing drastic about it at all. It simply did not add up that falling only once would break the team cohesion and provide the offenders with enough time to make their way to and defeat the supervisor. Well, it did not add up to somebody not ready to assume that every toon, beside himself, is controlled by Lucifer himself, anyway.

Ok, so because you have seen others struggle in that room it is acceptable for you to assume that she must have fallen more than once

Since I've seen it happen it's acceptable to assume that it's possible.

That last statement of yours is simply idiotic at best. I never made any such suggestion. YOU are the one that said she MUST have been keeping the others back from her inadequate attention to the game. I was the one saying she only fell once (which has since been proven so get off it)

Actually what you said was that she had said that she'd only fallen once. There is a fundamental difference there. And the fact remains that when you said that, it was not true. The fact that she said it after you made this assertion does not change the dishonesty of your statement at the time it was made.

No, again you were wrong and cannot handle the truth. Nothing I've said has been proven to be untruthful, can you say the same? NOPE

Yes, see above where you were unequivocally wrong and untruthful in an assertion, not a supposition. Anywhere I was wrong was within the confines of a clearly noted supposition. Nowhere did I assert something that was either wrong or untruthful! Can you say the same? Of course you can, you've already displayed the capacity and inclination for dishonesty. Given the choice, I'll take being wrong over dishonest any day. But you should realize that suppositions cannot, by their very nature, be wrong; so I was neither, in this case.

I'm curious though if that makes your above statement "idiotic" or is it just more of your dishonesty...or is it a masterful combination of both?

This is not failing to see the other side, this is a case of you failing to see the truth of what happened in this situation.

All the details were not out, so nobody "knew" the truth. You had enough surface information to proceed with hating somebody's mere existence so you were more than happy to run with that, but you did not know anything of the kind. Myself, I like to have all the facts before I run for the hammer & nails. Clearly we differ in ideology there too.

The simple FACT is that she never said, nor implied that she fell more than once

No, the simple fact is that she did not say how many times she fell. You're the one that claimed she had when she had not. Logic said that it was likely more than once and the fact that she only fell once does not change the fact that it was less likely to have been the case.

I know why you will not look in the mirror, given that ALL of your assumptions were proven false all you would see is egg all over your face.

Egg on my face? Not at all: There is a difference between suppositions and assumptions. You ought to check that out.

**Edit** But either way, assumptions are prone to error. Otherwise they would be facts and you wouldn't need them. So there's no harm in assuming something that turns out to be wrong. Without the facts what else can you do?**/edit**

But assuming (oh heavens, there's that evil word again ) I do have egg on my face it would only really matter if I cared what somebody with your point of view saw.

[Boo Boo Bumbletoes]

Originally Posted by Emily

I'm still reading the responses but I HAVE to address this! I have played TT sooo many times with Princess Bubbles and she has always been an awesome player. A baby on her lap has never interfered with her game play.

Don't get hung up on the specifics of this case. I was speaking in more general terms.

[kalan]

Where's my slipper???????

[Tracy Snifflefudd]

lol lol lol!

[WizardHawk]

Originally Posted by Boo Boo Bumbletoes

There was nothing drastic about it at all. It simply did not add up that falling only once would break the team cohesion and provide the offenders with enough time to make their way to and defeat the supervisor. Well, it did not add up to somebody not ready to assume that every toon, beside himself, is controlled by Lucifer himself, anyway.

That it didn't add up in your mind still does not excuse your making assumptions rather then asking her for clarification in the first place. All you would have had to have done to avoid this whole thing is ask if she had fallen more than once! NO, you not only assumed it must have been more than once but that she was a bad player for having a kid on her lap and used that as an excuse for the other toons actions. As if somehow the other toons could have known she was playing distracted instead of just being one of those players who fall from time to time on that puzzle. Your logic is questionable at best.

Since I've seen it happen it's acceptable to assume that it's possible.

The point was you accused me of assuming she only fell once but made excuses why you could make assumptions of your own. It was another case of the pot calling the kettle black and I called you on it. Your point is moot.

Actually what you said was that she had said that she'd only fallen once. There is a fundamental difference there. And the fact remains that when you said that, it was not true. The fact that she said it after you made this assertion does not change the dishonesty of your statement at the time it was made.

Again, reading is fundamental. Go read her first post again and see what she ACTUALLY said.

"They did not wait for me as I was trying to do the puzzle room with a baby on my lap and fell at the end. They glitched, grabbed gags and never looked back."

Now, anyone else see in that quote where it is more likely that she meant she fell more than once?

I didn't have to assume, nor inject likelihoods into anything. Just reading that to ME said CLEARLY that she fell ONCE. She didn't have to say it in so many words because if she had been ditched for falling more than once one would assume that would make it into the story in the first place. You didn't find her story believable and therefore injected things which were not true to support your claim that she had to have been at least partially at fault.

Yes, see above where you were unequivocally wrong and untruthful in an assertion, not a supposition.

Once again you are attempting to switch things around so that you seem the truthful one. I did not make one claim at ANY time that was either wrong, nor untruthful and you have no evidence to the contrary.

In order for me to have been 'untruthful' I would have had to have been saying something that I KNOW to be untrue and attempting to suggest it was true. Neither of those is the case here now is it? So to continue to say that I am a liar is a lame attempt at moving people away from YOUR dishonesty and the shameful attack you laid on the OP. It simply will not work but I have no doubt you will try it again. Perhaps if you repeat it a few more times it might come true!

Anywhere I was wrong was within the confines of a clearly noted supposition. Nowhere did I assert something that was either wrong or untruthful! Can you say the same? Of course you can, you've already displayed the capacity and inclination for dishonesty. Given the choice, I'll take being wrong over dishonest any day. But you should realize that suppositions cannot, by their very nature, be wrong; so I was neither, in this case.

Oh I simply LOVE this attempt at logic. Supposition is just another term for assumption right? So assumptions cannot be wrong? I assume you are an idiot then. LOL (Just teasing a bit):P

*edit* "Nowhere did I assert something that was either wrong or untruthful!"
You DID say something that was wrong. She did not fall more than once. You claimed that she must have fallen more than once in order for the two toons to make it to the supervisor and beat him before she could get there. This turned out to be WRONG. Guess you should look that word up too while you are looking up supposition. *edit*

Again, all I said is what I saw in her OP. How is that dishonest? I didn't need to assume anything to come to my view. All I had to do is go off just what she said, exactly how she said it. That she came out and cleared it up further for you STILL doesn't get you off that point for some reason. I was right in how I read her statement and she made that clear to you. Why are you still attempting to call me a liar? Curious ploy this is.

I'm curious though if that makes your above statement "idiotic" or is it just more of your dishonesty...or is it a masterful combination of both?

Your logic is so flawed on so many levels that I really don't need to respond to any of your posts for the masses to see it. I am only responding because I think this is just too funny.

All the details were not out, so nobody "knew" the truth.

All of the details needed to see those who left her and that other toon behind were grievers were there. You simply did not choose to read it.

You had enough surface information to proceed with hating somebody's mere existence so you were more than happy to run with that, but you did not know anything of the kind.

I did? I'm not aware that I made any such claim as to 'hate' anyone's mere existence. Could you point out where I said that? Or is this another of your suppositions (which of course can never actually be wrong, simply because you say so)?

Myself, I like to have all the facts before I run for the hammer & nails.

Really? So that is why you clearly ASKED the OP for the answers to the parts you didn't find clear before passing judgment on her? Boy, don't you hate it when the facts ruin your points?

You DID pass judgment on someone and reach for that bag of nails without having any FACTS. All you had was your (never wrong) supposition. Which is it? You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Clearly we differ in ideology there too.

Yep, I actually made an OPINION based on the facts at hand. You made statements based on assumptions and didn't bother to attempt to find out if they were right before blaming the OP for her actions.

No, the simple fact is that she did not say how many times she fell.

So in your mind if I said I ran a stop sign today, I could really mean (and most likely mean) that I actually ran it more than once. Again, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to read the OP and see that she fell once! That you do not care for what you see as my assumption over yours does not make anything I said wrong, nor dishonest. Especially since I was right in the end. Again, you MUST be hating how the facts are just not supporting you.

You're the one that claimed she had when she had not. Logic said that it was likely more than once and the fact that she only fell once does not change the fact that it was less likely to have been the case.

When MOST of us read posts, we have read it in the context given at the time. Given the ENTIRE post, it was CLEAR as a bell to me that she fell once. Had she have came out later and said it was several times, I would have said that her first post was misleading. Logic would dictate that reading within the context of a message is a better approach then to inject things you have to flat make up in order to make a situation feel more like other situations you have seen in the past.

But then, I think everyone is getting a nice close look at what you call logic.

Egg on my face? Not at all: There is a difference between suppositions and assumptions. You ought to check that out.

From dictionary.com:

sup·po·si·tion ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sp-zshn)
n.

1. The act of supposing.
2. Something supposed; an assumption.

Really? Perhaps you are the one in need of some time in front of the dictionary. LOL

**Edit** But either way, assumptions are prone to error. Otherwise they would be facts and you wouldn't need them. So there's no harm in assuming something that turns out to be wrong. Without the facts what else can you do?**/edit**

Ok, so that part above where you said you cannot be wrong while making suppositions is now wrong. Your logic has more holes in it then a golf course.

But assuming (oh heavens, there's that evil word again ) I do have egg on my face it would only really matter if I cared what somebody with your point of view saw.

Ah, the whole 'you are too below me to really care' statement. Seems many debaters here wind up at this point sooner or later. If you don't care about my point of view, then why continue to post in reply to me at all?

I would call that check, and mate.