Reasons why high laffers don't want to go in with low/mid laffers

[Mouse Goon Toon]

Low/mid laffers complain constantly about high laffers not wanting to go into the factory or mint with them, but do you look to your own behavior as to why this is. It is because:

1. You are trying to work your gags (even some toons obviously wanting to max their numbers, as in 9999). If we are a pack of high laffers, DO NOT go in with us unless you are ok with using sound the whole way thru. We have countless runs to make & there are other ways to max your gags.

2. You use marbles on a high-level cog. Please do not use any trap on a high-level cog unless its TNT. Its not worth one toon using trap & another using lure to do this (basically making the two other toons kill the cog). If it’s a high-level cog, we need to work together to get it before it gets us.

3. You use toonup when we are down even 1 laff point. Now is not the time to tune us (even if we are down 5, 10 or 20 points). A lot of times this causes us to not kill the cog & for everyone to be down laff points. Not a good tradeoff for me.

4. You are mistaken in the definition of teamwork & think we need to do things your way or get “You stink” the whole way thru. If we are all wanting to choose sound except for you then go with the flow & don’t expect 3 toons to do it your way. Teamwork means doing everything you can together to kill the cogs, not everyone doing what they can to max your gags.

5. Unless you are a high laffer, you are a burden in the Bullion Mint. Even with 4 high laffers, there are certain floors where we all run low or run out of good gags. Someone throwing a fruit pie (yes, this has happened) is not helpful & we need everyone’s help there. Stick to the coin or dollar mint!!

Note: I am not alone in this thinking. These are the thoughts of the great majority of high laffers.

Also, I am speaking as a mid-laffer too. If I play my mid-laffer toon & am lucky enough to have high laffers help me (such as in a 5-story building) then I am grateful to them as I know I am not pulling my own weight & they are helping me. I therefore totally follow their lead & don’t worry about working my gags unless I am with friends who are doing the same.

Don’t think I’m opposed to helping toons because of this note. There is not a day I am on that I don’t try to help someone.

If you made it this far, thanks for reading my rant,

Mo Mo Sparkletoes

[Kip Pocketbottom]

I both completely AGREE and DISAGREE with you. Its all about POV.

All these points are true, and we all start toon life out ignorantly, but after (can it be????) hundreds of factories to get to HW35, I need some kind of excitement, anything to break up the painful boredom called the factory.

A 5500 merit HW level now costs 29 factory runs. Sure I can do it all in a day with 3 other 100+ toons doing nothing but sound. But there is nothing in that kind of run that will make my heart race. The near-sad experiences that come from the ignorace of a tiny toon makes the game SO MUCH MORE palatable.

And hey, they gotta learn their mistakes somewhere. Why not from da pros?

[Myristica]

Originally Posted by Kip Pocketbottom

I both completely AGREE and DISAGREE with you. Its all about POV.

All these points are true, and we all start toon life out ignorantly, but after (can it be????) hundreds of factories to get to HW35, I need some kind of excitement, anything to break up the painful boredom called the factory.

A 5500 merit HW level now costs 29 factory runs. Sure I can do it all in a day with 3 other 100+ toons doing nothing but sound. But there is nothing in that kind of run that will make my heart race. The near-sad experiences that come from the ignorace of a tiny toon makes the game SO MUCH MORE palatable.

And hey, they gotta learn their mistakes somewhere. Why not from da pros?

You are so right! Well stated!

[BunBun]

You do not speak for me on this issue. I have a 113 laffer who has no issue with taking smaller toons in with me. If I have a day where I'm simply not in the mood to deal with smaller toons, I simply don't get on the elevator.

I just completed a 44 cog bullion run with a friend of mine (the other 2 high laffers didnt get on the elevator), and we decided to see if we could win with only the gags in our bags and the gags in the barrel. We did it, and it was the most fun we had in the bullion in ages! Had we had the addition of a smaller toon with us, we may not have even needed any of the barrels! Yes, it took longer but it was fun! Next time, we'll go with 3 of us and not take any level 6 gags along with us and perhaps even not take any level 5 and 6 gags!

Perhaps the title of this thread should be "Reasons why I don't want to go in with low/mid laffers". "I" meaning you.

Bring it on!

[Mouse Goon Toon]

If you read my whole post, you would see that I always help other toons out. Just last night I went in with 4 Short Changes to the CFO (Im a Loan Shark), knowing their lack of experience would more than likely mean we would not defeat the CFO which we didn't. It didn't bother me a bit since I knew others would not bring them in & I knew this would give them experience. I was a Short Change myself with no clue what I was doing.

Last week I entered an elevator that included 5 cold callers to fight the VP. I'm in a holly clan that meets each week to defeat the VP so I have no need to do this randomly except to help other toons.

What I'm talking about are the toons who constantly play their own agenda. If we say "I think this is too risky for you" then don't force yourself on those toons. Don't say "no" & enter anyway then try to make us play your way. When I only have so much time, I don't need to spend 40 minutes in the factory when I can be out in less than 20. If we say, I need more Cog Merits, don't enter & then insist on taking the short route.

I myself have had tons of fun with low/mid laffers in the factory & mint. But I find it enjoyable when they play with teamwork instead of fighting us constantly, trying to trap everything in site, & causing general mayhem (which is to be expected but is way too frequent). If toons would think of it as being teamwork instead of "which gag will I work this time" then we wouldn't have this problem. Throwing marbles at a level 12 cog when fighting the CFO is inexcusable, contribute or don't play.

Mo Mo Sparkletoes

[Prof Dizzy Snorkelfo]

I also both agree and disagree.

First, I am not sure that you do speak for the "majority" of high laffers. I know a number of this category of toons and most of my friends do not have an issue with mid laffers training gags in the Bullion.

As a matter of fact, with the 3x gag experience and the number of battles, it is one of the best places in TT to train gags. Probably the only better gag training is in 5 story bldgs during invasions. One of my best friends on TT has 3 active toons. One is at 105 laff but still did not have drop to the 6th gag. One day when I got on she could not stop bragging about how cool Loosy Goosy was to her. He took this toon through the Bullion and, after checking and seeing that work needed to be done on drop, proceeded to have her use drop as much as possible and even used a restock phrase to refill her drop so she could use more.

My wifes toon is also at 105 but still has trap door as her highest gag for that track. A good number of her friends love helping her in the Bullion or even the CFO or VP, to train her trap. I unfortunatly cannot help as my big toon does not have lure. If Prof did have lure I would be able to help a number of my friends as well as strangers. I often do mint runs with strangers and enjoy helping them train gags when needed. I might not be maxed today if it was not for the help of both friends and strangers on working my gags (which was so long ago as I was maxed before Sell HQ even came out).

I do agree that sometimes it is nice to be able to blow through the Bullion with sound as quickly as possible. Now that I am a RB, it takes a while to get CFO ready again. However, unless I am in a run with all maxed toons, I will do my best to allow the toons that are not maxed to get as much gag experience as possible. I also agree that some toons need to chill out if they are not accepted in the elevator with other people. To yell at another toon, "You Stink", just becouse they do not want to play your way or do not want to experience the Bullion mint with you is not appropriate.

Just remember this is a game (and a kids game at that) and should be fun. It should not be a race to see who can get to RB or MH 50 the fastest. The game is about teamwork. Yes, teamwork means working with the other toons in your group and using gags together to defeat the cogs. But this also means working together to make each other stronger and therefore working gags is part of that teamwork too. Also, if you help them work thier gags, they will max out sooner and then no longer need to work gags but be able to blow through those mints, etc.

Thanks for also letting me rant. Good luck in all your TT adventures and in life.

[storm_center]

Originally Posted by Mouse Goon Toon

Low/mid laffers complain constantly about high laffers not wanting to go into the factory or mint with them, but do you look to your own behavior as to why this is. It is because:

1. You are trying to work your gags (even some toons obviously wanting to max their numbers, as in 9999). If we are a pack of high laffers, DO NOT go in with us unless you are ok with using sound the whole way thru. We have countless runs to make & there are other ways to max your gags.

2. You use marbles on a high-level cog. Please do not use any trap on a high-level cog unless its TNT. Its not worth one toon using trap & another using lure to do this (basically making the two other toons kill the cog). If it’s a high-level cog, we need to work together to get it before it gets us.

3. You use toonup when we are down even 1 laff point. Now is not the time to tune us (even if we are down 5, 10 or 20 points). A lot of times this causes us to not kill the cog & for everyone to be down laff points. Not a good tradeoff for me.

4. You are mistaken in the definition of teamwork & think we need to do things your way or get “You stink” the whole way thru. If we are all wanting to choose sound except for you then go with the flow & don’t expect 3 toons to do it your way. Teamwork means doing everything you can together to kill the cogs, not everyone doing what they can to max your gags.

5. Unless you are a high laffer, you are a burden in the Bullion Mint. Even with 4 high laffers, there are certain floors where we all run low or run out of good gags. Someone throwing a fruit pie (yes, this has happened) is not helpful & we need everyone’s help there. Stick to the coin or dollar mint!!

Note: I am not alone in this thinking. These are the thoughts of the great majority of high laffers.

Also, I am speaking as a mid-laffer too. If I play my mid-laffer toon & am lucky enough to have high laffers help me (such as in a 5-story building) then I am grateful to them as I know I am not pulling my own weight & they are helping me. I therefore totally follow their lead & don’t worry about working my gags unless I am with friends who are doing the same.

Don’t think I’m opposed to helping toons because of this note. There is not a day I am on that I don’t try to help someone.

If you made it this far, thanks for reading my rant,

Mo Mo Sparkletoes

I totally agree with you!!!!!! I wish the mid\low laffers would take the friendly advice given by us. If you want to work your trap or drop in the bullion, then doing the 3 elephant\1 fog strategy is best. There will be 1 or 2 11s left standing and I will encourage anyone who is not maxxed in trap or drop, or any other gag to use it then. But you are so right when you say don't use your traps as the first gag. It takes way too long and my time is valuable to me. There are plenty of chances to get gag points AND help speed along the run and this is what teamwork is!

Very good post, thank you so much.

Leslie Scorch-black cat-114 laff-Holly 50-RB 32

[j1218]

wow ive been on toontowncentral for awhile now and i constantly see this battle between lower laffers and high laffers....

basically, the issue has NOTHING to do with laffpoints okay....think about it. my toon is 105. i have all lv 6 gags except drop. im not the strongest toon but i can battle like theres no tomorrow. laffpoints mean nothing.,...its all about tactics. i go in cfos where there are hollywoods who dont know anything about battling. yesterday i went in cfo with dusty (115 laffer) me and her are sf and i have nothing against her but im jujst proving a point, anyway, i went in with dusty who is a holly 40, and i actually had to show her how to crane!!! and im only a tightwad 7 and im an awesome craner. i go into mints with all high laffers and there will be this one toon (could be the highest of all) and hes the one insisting on his way. and in my opinion...noobs and highlaffers are one in the same in this instant. high laffers think their always right...and so in battle they insist on their way. so i dont think that you should direct this at low mid laffers. this goes for all toons....BUCK UP!!!! lol good god some toons dont get it but yeh. i do feel that noobs shud have respect. im working on a noob toon right now (anthony the second, currently 45 lp) and i dont go anywher that im not redy for. ive never been to brrgh, ddl or cbhq. im in mml and thats where ill stay until i finish all the tasks! what i really get a kick out of is when im in mml (or the playground im currently doing tasks in) and some big shot high laffer tells me that a bldg on one of MY playgrounds streets are too hard for me! what the heck....if it was too risky then my tasks wud still be in ttc....anyway ive been thinking about all that for awhile lol thanks for listening

[Rattlebones]

Please don't pretend to speak for everyone when you ever so clearly do not.
If low laffers need help they are welcome to visit the CCG forums on this site and request help in the factory.

[Good Ol Zigzag Jabbertoon]

Please understand these may be the thoughts of SOME high laffers but I don't think it is the great majority. As a high laffer that runs with other high laffers I can tell you the friends I have on my list do not think this way.

Also, when are you people going to understand it is NOT about laff but gags? Think about it!

Originally Posted by Mouse Goon Toon

Note: I am not alone in this thinking. These are the thoughts of the great majority of high laffers.

[Mouse Goon Toon]

[quote=Rattlebones]Please don't pretend to speak for everyone when you ever so clearly do not. [quote]

I never pretended to speak for everyone. Nor do I think the majority of toons think this way for every factory or mint run. Sometimes you want in & out or you just want to go with your friends. Sometimes you are glad to help toons & wait for some to help. Sometimes you go in & don't care who joins you. Yea, I'm thinking you guys don't bother reading everything but are just lashing out. I'd be willing to bet that I help way more toons than most. As I stated, I help toons every time I get on TT.

I was just giving my advice to those toons who get angry & don't understand why some toons don't want to go in with them. Maybe it will help a few to understand & change their ways so others are very willing to bring them along.

So you don't agree with me, but I don't agree with you. Enuf said.

P.S. About the gag versus laff points issue brought up in this thread & which I've seen over & over on TTC. I'm of the opinion you need both. A cake won't do you any good when three cogs hit you & you're done for. Laffs won't do you good if you spend so many rounds getting the cogs that they get you first.

Mo Mo Sparkletoes

[Mouse Goon Toon]

Originally Posted by storm_center

I totally agree with you!!!!!! I wish the mid\low laffers would take the friendly advice given by us. If you want to work your trap or drop in the bullion, then doing the 3 elephant\1 fog strategy is best. There will be 1 or 2 11s left standing and I will encourage anyone who is not maxxed in trap or drop, or any other gag to use it then. But you are so right when you say don't use your traps as the first gag. It takes way too long and my time is valuable to me. There are plenty of chances to get gag points AND help speed along the run and this is what teamwork is!

Very good post, thank you so much.

Leslie Scorch-black cat-114 laff-Holly 50-RB 32

And I totally agree with you. Its a point I was trying to make but didn't quite succeed about choosing the right time to work your gags. Thanks for the input.

Mo Mo

[Professor Bubble]

If you're referring exclusively to the Buillion mint, then I can perhaps understand where you're coming from, as I know the Buillion mint is very difficult, though I haven't been in it. However, if you're referring to all mints, then based on my experiences, I think perhaps you need to be a little more open minded.
I personally have worked Lure (allowing me to get the $5 bill), Drop (allowing me to get the Big Weight) and Trap in the mints, and the other Toons certainly had no objections, and if they did, there's plenty they could have done to tell me they didn't like what I was doing, and they didn't. If you go in with a good and flexible team, then you can work your gags while your teammates can adapt their strategy to take out the Cogs, and everyone wins.
Now I can understand that gag-working in the mints can be frustrating in certain cases. There are many times where I've been in tight situations when everyone needs to crack out the birthday cakes and storm clouds, and some people use a microphone Toon-Up. But when you can, have a little fun in there. Work some of your weaker gags when you have the opportunity, I would think most Toons wouldn't mind.
I know endless mint runs can get frustrating, but perhaps they'd be better if people didn't just blast their way through with Foghorns. Take some time, drop a few anvils and lay down some trapdoors. Those boring mints just might get better.


Toons of the World Unite!

[DutchAmerica]

I generally do not take smaller/non-sf friends into the factory with me because I run the entire factory for merits and for gags training.

I need lots of merits on my big toon and lots of gag training on my smaller toons. So we pick up all the extra gags and we run the ENTIRE factory.

And face the facts, when you tell those little strangers that you need merits, they will say ok, but as soon as you take the long way, they get very angry and obstinate about going with you. So then your nice long merit/gag run turns into a teeth grinding exercise in patience.

As for the mints, I don't mind having other toons use gags they need to train. However, it would be nice if they had enough experience to know when and how to use their little gags. And it would be nice if they had a few larger gags so that they can help with tougher battles.

We had a 45 laffer in the vp obviously gag training his whistle the other night. He did not 'get it' when everyone was yelling NO!!! when he squeekied the lured cogs.

[loud cheesymouth]

i very agree! So many low/mid go in, but dont know the danger! We are not trying to hurt their feelings, we are trying to tell them its too risky