Should I stop being willing to help random toons too?

[Kehawin]

After spending an hour (literally!) trying to get on a run with random toons and watching the shuffle that my money bags suit caused where everyone wanted to be on with me, then giving up and deciding to go with a few friends and a few random toons in a slower district, I spent another 10 mins or so shuffling with another set of toons doing the same thing who unfortunately had four toons (3 short changes and a number cruncher) and we had 4 with one random toon in the lobby. Well, finally, we decided to do just a run with all friends. So we finally have 8... only to have someone not of our group jump on the elevator then alt f4 when the doors closed.

It angers me when I see toons who have bigger suits who absolutely refuse to get on the elevator with suits lower than some level in their mind that they think means the toon knows what they are doing. But it angers me even more when a toon jumps on an elevator then alts out when the elevator is full.

If you have a group, then go to an empty district. If your group isn't full and you end up in a FULL ELEVATOR without them, DONT ruin it for the others in that elevator with you, that is just plain selfish and dishonorable.

Thank you to the toons who are willing to step back and NOT go RIGHT NOW rather than selfishly insist that others bend around them.

[Sandy]

well isn't that just sad that people do that.
although i dont really understand it, i feel badly.

[CocoBurger]

Originally Posted by Kehawin

After spending an hour (literally!) trying to get on a run with random toons and watching the shuffle that my money bags suit caused where everyone wanted to be on with me, then giving up and deciding to go with a few friends and a few random toons in a slower district, I spent another 10 mins or so shuffling with another set of toons doing the same thing who unfortunately had four toons (3 short changes and a number cruncher) and we had 4 with one random toon in the lobby. Well, finally, we decided to do just a run with all friends. So we finally have 8... only to have someone not of our group jump on the elevator then alt f4 when the doors closed.

It angers me when I see toons who have bigger suits who absolutely refuse to get on the elevator with suits lower than some level in their mind that they think means the toon knows what they are doing. But it angers me even more when a toon jumps on an elevator then alts out when the elevator is full.

If you have a group, then go to an empty district. If your group isn't full and you end up in a FULL ELEVATOR without them, DONT ruin it for the others in that elevator with you, that is just plain selfish and dishonorable.

Thank you to the toons who are willing to step back and NOT go RIGHT NOW rather than selfishly insist that others bend around them.

I am Lady Violet Twinkletoes using my son's account. I saw you outside Cashbot HQ when you said hello to Lady Violet Twinkletoes. Sorry I didn't recognize your Black Cat! One of my sf asked me if I knew you, I guessed (correctly) that I must know another of your toons.

I was waiting with a bunch of friends for several others to finish in the Mints. I would gladly have included you! I even asked if you were joining us when our group split up into two, but by then you seemed to have had other friends join you.

[Kehawin]

Yes, this wasn't directed at you or your group. When you had tp'd there, we then had 8, so I thought we would go. But apparently you had already a group of friends to go with. I hope you all did well. After that is when all this happened. One of our friends got left behind when the elevator filled, but he was gracious enough to tell us good luck so that there would be no shuffle. By the time the doors closed and the scene cut to inside the elevator ride, two toons were gone via alt f4 (and I don't know who, they were randoms who hopped on I think).

Sorry I didn't go with you Lady Violet, by the time I realized you didn't have a full group, I had 3 other friends gathering with me since it was becoming apparent that I was not going to be able to go on a "go to the doors and go with whoever is there" run.

[Pretty Puppy]

What I found funny tonight playing and trying to find a somewhat emtpy lobby to go into so not having to fight any shuffling is that it was all the short changes that kept doing the shuffle all the big toons would stay in the elevator.

Wasn't it in another post that people who were short changes were complaining that the bigger toons would not stay on the elevator with them?

O well I guess we can't please anyone

Thanks to anyone you happened to be in a CFO battle with me tonight I was able to get to my Moneybags tonight

[kalan]

Ones won't go with ones. Causes most the shuffle.

[BunBun]

I'm not 100% certain if you actually did that CFO run you referred to in your OP but I have noticed that on occasion it appears that someone has f4 out when it hasnt actually happened. I've seen twice where we went in as 8 and after the doors close, there only appears to be 7 and then in battle there are 8 again.

Something to consider and watch for.

[Kehawin]

Thanks BunBun, I know what you mean. Sometimes when there is a skinny or shorter toon it's hard to see them when the camera angle changes.
But yes, I was wondering the same thing at first but I was the third to last person left on the elevator, just to make sure.

[WizardHawk]

You are dealing with a vast diversity of player in this game and shuffles are a natural result. I have seen a lot of those endless shuffles attempting to do a random run. You get one and everyone flocks in because you have a high suit (I'm loan shark now) but then they start going in and out because most of the others are short changes or penny pinchers and they often do not want to go together even if a high level is with them.

From what I've seen, most of the shuffles are from the lower toons not wanting to go with too many of their own kind and/or shuffles to attempt to get your friends on the elevator. I just have not seen high level suit toons jumping in and out much. Most of them just stand back and attempt to let the others load.

Much of this situation will work itself out in the coming weeks as the ratio of larger toons to SC's begins to level out. Right now there are so many toons just getting their parts finished that there are just hundreds of SC's trying to go at any time. I'm looking forward to seeing what the CCG will do to help usher these new players through but only time will really help reduce this current problem.

[Kehawin]

Originally Posted by WizardHawk

You are dealing with a vast diversity of player in this game and shuffles are a natural result. I have seen a lot of those endless shuffles attempting to do a random run. You get one and everyone flocks in because you have a high suit (I'm loan shark now) but then they start going in and out because most of the others are short changes or penny pinchers and they often do not want to go together even if a high level is with them.

From what I've seen, most of the shuffles are from the lower toons not wanting to go with too many of their own kind and/or shuffles to attempt to get your friends on the elevator. I just have not seen high level suit toons jumping in and out much. Most of them just stand back and attempt to let the others load.

Much of this situation will work itself out in the coming weeks as the ratio of larger toons to SC's begins to level out. Right now there are so many toons just getting their parts finished that there are just hundreds of SC's trying to go at any time. I'm looking forward to seeing what the CCG will do to help usher these new players through but only time will really help reduce this current problem.

I guess that's part of what started this. As I said when this was still on test, I was looking forward to the cash version of the CCG, because even on test, groups of Robber Barons refused to go with even a single player they weren't sure about. We are still learning new strategies even now, but weeks ago, people thought that because they had bested the CFO X amount of times and another toon hadn't, that toon shouldn't be on the elevator with them. It's still the same story.*
But as most who have dealt with the CCG know, without guidelines and toons who know them and are willing to follow them, it is merely the same thing as toons who do not shuffle no matter what the suit size is.
I'm simply willing, when I am ready with merits and don't have friends that are, to go with random toons, even if it means going sad.
What I am NOT willing to do is shuffle, be told I stink, or have to F4 several times because ... well, for whatever reason these people have.

I had a toon in the 5500 merit club (after having had to survive the 10,000 merits club!), one well on the way, and a supernoob before I ever found the CCG. So of four hollys, two and a half did their VPs without the CCG. I have the fondest memories of the CCG runs. The worst memories are of the weeks after sell HQ came out, when the eldest toon was a HW and most toons were just getting out of their cold caller suits... similar to now, except we had extreme low laffers to deal with too. So I guess matters could be worse.


*This is not directed at anyone. It is a generalized statement, not an attack. I am trying to make a point about giving people the benefit of the doubt and not judging them by their suit, similar to what the CCG stands for. I understand that often groups of friends have suits nearly the same size because they often play together and usually win together, so I am not trying to bring that up, it is not my point in this thread, and in another thread I would probably bring that point up too.

[XxStinko_ManxX]

I never go with random toons any more its just not worth my time or safe. I have gone without friends for a while and i only won 2 out of 7. I should have stuck with friends...

[Pretty Puppy]

I have said this in other thread somewhere but I pretty much always go with random toons (don't really have any sercert friends but family who don't play as much as I do. Not because I don't want them just never got around to getting any.) yet lately I have been winning more then losing on my battles last night I won 3 of 5 all with different toons with me in the fight. I believe alot of it for me at least is not to go in with one single idea on how to beat the CFO you need to be flexable and change what is needed as the battle goes on. I have won with random toons with all 8 winning to being down to the other day when only 3 of us made it. I for one tend to lean toward being a stomper because at the beinning of the fight you can kinda stay in one spot and look at what other toons are doing then I can go about finding out what I need to do to help everyone win. Wether it be finding the stongest crane and protecting that toon while he hits the CFO or just running around jumping on as many goons as I can to get as much healing out there as I can. Everyone has there own strengths and weakness in CFO it's accepting your weakness and working on your strengths that can help you with that battle.

Good luck to everyone

[DCL]

I cannot relate in many ways, but, Aphrodite Superquack (thats who i know you as, if you remember when we were sfs), it seems your problem has a solution.
Instead of staying in the same elevator, then calling friends, the best thing to do is a process i call "swith before you ditch". This simply means, instead of callingo n your friends, switch districts 3 times, first do a popular district, then do a medium district, and if all else fails, i have had many great runs in bouncyville with the Sellbot Vp. I do not know about the CFo.

If you did switch districts, then your problem could be the time. If it is in the afternoon, you probably have many 9-10 year olds on, and they can sometimes forget about something called skill over rank. Its like if a hollywood had the skill of a Telemarketer (this is Hq suits, not cogs), then you might as well go with a telemarketer. You never know skill , but you shouldnt judge a toon by his suit. They may also forget the importance of level.This is if they are medium to high suit.

Low suits r just normal usually.



I have nothing against 9-10 year olds though.

[Solid Squirrlee 2]

Originally Posted by Kehawin

Thanks BunBun, I know what you mean. Sometimes when there is a skinny or shorter toon it's hard to see them when the camera angle changes.
But yes, I was wondering the same thing at first but I was the third to last person left on the elevator, just to make sure.

Nooo There is actually an Invisable toon bug that has been around ever since I've been doing SHQ. The spot where the toon is looks empty as if the toon Alted or Discoed but it will reappear once the battle starts. I freeked because my daughter and 2 other friends were what appeared GONE. I looked over at my daughter and asked if she got booted with the other 2 PPL she said no we are all here. I said there is 3 missing toons and you are one of them!! She said NO DAD we are HERE!!!! she jumped up and ran to look at my screen...."What the heck is going on?" after she saw my screen I was ready to Alt out she said just wait and see what happens. Then Poof we had 8 toons when the battle started. I call it invisable toon Bug and I think it is the reason for alot of toons bailing...thinking others did the same!

[LadyVioletTwinkletoe]

Originally Posted by Dr.CrumblyLemontwist

I have nothing against 9-10 year olds though.

Don't underestimate the 9-10 year olds! My 9 year old used my test toon when Cash HQ opened and showed my adult friends and I how to navigate the puzzle rooms in the mints. And, he is the best crane operator I've ever seen! I learned how to do the cranes well by watching him.

However, people will be more concerned about rank because it equates to experience. It is a visible proof of that.