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Old 07-30-2004, 05:34 PM
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Cog HQ too hard?

In my opinion, yes it is. Well, since my toon is 104 laff with decent gags, no its not too hard for ME, just around the 40-50 laff toons going in. This is supposed to be a Cog HQ for people going into Daisy Gardens, no? The reason i think this is too hard, is because, even with this Cog HQ, some 100 laff toons are going into the VP and still going sad. What will happen when the Cog HQ comes out in Dreamland? I would expect to see tons on toons sad in the playground because it would probably be 5 times harder. Now if Disney dosen't do anything to change the difficulty of the Cog HQ's, then I bet they will get a lot of complaints soon. Anyone else agree on the difficulty?
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Old 07-30-2004, 05:50 PM
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The factory was made too easy. It should have been made as a filter to keep unqualified players who don't have the team skills and maybe gags to get to the VP battle. The factory should be as hard as a difficult Dreamland building but instead is much easier. This would have avoided alot of the problems with HQ and VP.
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Old 07-30-2004, 09:19 PM
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Well, the max LP is now 5 more than it was 2 months ago thanks to more fish, right? We can't be sure that by the last HQ (or even by the time the next HQ opens) that there wont be more gags in existing tracks, new gag tracks, more fishing LPs, more LP toontasks, etc. Maybe we'll all be much stonger toons by the time we take on Bossbot HQ.

At least thats my hope.
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Old 07-30-2004, 09:30 PM
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Factory - too easy? Not really, it's only the warm up act.
Cog HQ - too easy? Absolutely. Six toons who know how to play can walk it.
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Old 07-30-2004, 10:10 PM
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Sellbot HQ isn't nearlly hard anough. For the experienced it is a piece of cake. I just hope that sellbot HQ is used as a filter. I hope that you have to be a Mr. Hollywood or higher to get into next HQ or somthing. Then I hope they slowly by slowly expand the game. Till everyone is up to 1000 laff points and there are level 100 cogs. Of course it takes a few years to get that high. Then we have a never ending game that goes on forever. I wish there to be about 5 times more types of Cogs. And about 10 times more gags. Of course the only one who would ever finish is me.LOL Mabye not. But this is my dream Toontown.
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Old 07-30-2004, 10:13 PM
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I agree with Sethmr there is prob going to be more laff points and more gag tracks or just more gags ... besides sellbot HQ is easy
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Old 07-30-2004, 10:22 PM
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I hope that you have to be a Mr. Hollywood or higher to get into next HQ or somthing.
No way. ToonTown is for everyone not just big toons.
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Old 07-31-2004, 01:32 PM
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TT IS for everyone, does that mean that there should be NOTHING as a reward for gaining laff and gags? Every single area, item, gag should be available to everyone from the start? Why aren't you upset one day old newbies can't buy a Gold Rod? IMO there should be a mechanism to allow you to earn your way into HQ, and yeah it's way too easy as it is right now.
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Old 07-31-2004, 01:48 PM
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They need to have a filter, but not a 'you have to be a mr hollywood to advance' kind of thing, more like 5 VP Wins, how many noobs have beaten the VP 5 times? I did not beat the VP till i had over 100 laff, i just never tried. I wanted to be sure that i beat him, before i went in.
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Old 07-31-2004, 01:55 PM
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Depends on who you are

It is easy for some and very difficult for others.

I agree that the factory should have been made more difficult. It's too easy for under qualified toons to hide in corners while others carry them through. Just because a little toon has a suit, doesn't mean they are ready for the vp.

And the toons that suffer for it are the was that are ready and end up either on the elevator or playing the elevator shuffle with them.

At least in buildings, toons all have to stand there in front of the cogs, whether you pass or not, you have as much chance as anyone else of getting hit.

The factory isn't like that.

Not like Disney would listen to me. But have the factories open to ALL toons. However, access to the cogs suits that would get you into the vp lobby should be earned like a toon task. Like in MM, you can't get your required toon task done until you have a cream pie. It would insure that toons meet a minimum requiredment to get into the vp.
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Old 07-31-2004, 02:07 PM
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What makes you think the playground the street leads too mkaes the difficulty? you can goto DDL from MM but you shouldnt if you are in MM tasks. This is the same. I think all of the factories will have the same difficulty.
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Old 07-31-2004, 02:09 PM
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It is easy for some and very difficult for others.

I agree that the factory should have been made more difficult. It's too easy for under qualified toons to hide in corners while others carry them through. Just because a little toon has a suit, doesn't mean they are ready for the vp.

And the toons that suffer for it are the was that are ready and end up either on the elevator or playing the elevator shuffle with them.

At least in buildings, toons all have to stand there in front of the cogs, whether you pass or not, you have as much chance as anyone else of getting hit.

The factory isn't like that.
Yes, I agree that there should be something to force all toons to fight instead of letting them hide in the corners. And yes the factory AND VP are way too easy. I do think that there should be a filter to keep low laff toons out. I'm not saying low laff toons whould like it but higher laff toons need a place to get away from everyone and estates are not enogh. In Dreamland before Cog HQ came out 1 or 2 very low laffs whould be running around but other than that, it was all high laffs. Same with the burrgh except the toons where more in the 80s of laff. Sellbot HQ should have been the same and low laffs should have kept away OR come once to see what it was like. (I did that then only came back after I finish LOMs tasks and most of the dreamland tasks.) I really hope that there is a filter to keep low laffs away from the other CHQs. Disney should make it back to the way it was before. Where you hade to EARN your way up.
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Old 07-31-2004, 02:12 PM
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No way. ToonTown is for everyone not just big toons.
If you cant even beat 4 cogs on the flippy toontask what makes you think you can go here noobs. and for the bigger noobs (30-60 Laff) There is a gigantic sign that says "WARNING: COG HQ" at the top. and WHY would a weakling like you go the the HEADQUARTERS of SELLBOTS?!?!? it even sounds dangerous.
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Old 07-31-2004, 02:13 PM
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Have you noticed though

that for instance in MM, since you used it for an example:

The easiest cogs/buildings are on the street leading to TTC
The medium cogs/buildings are on the street to the Brrgh
and the most difficult are on the street going to Dreamland.

It's the same for most of the neighborhoods. If you look at the directional signs in the playground, the signs that go to the higher playground will have the higher cogs/buildings.

That why it is so frustrating sometimes. When you tell your friends that you need level 8 cogs and they go to the street heading to TTC.

Do you know what the odds are of finding a level 8 cog anywhere on that street?

ANd yes, Toontown is for everyone, but there is such a thing as 'earning' your way through a game. Sure the game is boring for a lot of folks. It's because they have given up the natural progression of the game and doing toontasks, getting their laffs, their gag training, etc.

There are a lot of toons that are foregoing all that just to run the factory/vp. So now you have a lot of bored toons at the vp that aren't ready to be there.
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Old 07-31-2004, 04:44 PM
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It is easy for some and very difficult for others.

I agree that the factory should have been made more difficult. It's too easy for under qualified toons to hide in corners while others carry them through. Just because a little toon has a suit, doesn't mean they are ready for the vp.

And the toons that suffer for it are the was that are ready and end up either on the elevator or playing the elevator shuffle with them.

At least in buildings, toons all have to stand there in front of the cogs, whether you pass or not, you have as much chance as anyone else of getting hit.

The factory isn't like that.

Not like Disney would listen to me. But have the factories open to ALL toons. However, access to the cogs suits that would get you into the vp lobby should be earned like a toon task. Like in MM, you can't get your required toon task done until you have a cream pie. It would insure that toons meet a minimum requiredment to get into the vp.
I think this idea is a wonderful one. They could make the task to unlock the suit, or make the suit available to everyone and make the task unlock merits.

Another route they could take to fix this would be to make the first set of merits you have to earn be MUCH higher. It wouldn't be as effective a filter as a task to unlock the suit and/or merits, but it would force smaller toons to defeat a decent number of cogs before being able to go to the vp, and maybe while they were defeating those cogs they would work their gags and tasks.
 

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