I stink?

[Salty Fiddlejinks]

Originally Posted by ShanD

Exactly. I hope the next HQs toughen up, so we won't have these people around. Have the next boss do long-range attacks or something, to weed out the cowards. Only taking high laff toons is a form of cowardice in a way - give the other Toons a shot! They have to learn somewhere anyway, why not let them have fun in the mean time. VP's beatable with 4-5 Toons, I've done it. Why not fill up four of those spaces with low-laffers who keep getting shunned by the elitists?

Very cool thinking ShanD and Spunky... Now you guys are my kinda toons!

[michaelj1973]

My idea is the following. Why not make something like a singleriders line. Where the Big toons can pick up 1-2 smaller toons. But I dare to admit, that I don't like to fight with only small toons. I don't mind small toons, but they have to fight and don't just try to hitchhike on the big toons hard work. But that's my point of view.

Michael J. Jansen
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Good ol' Ernie Jeepercorn

[Dawggie]

Originally Posted by Salty Fiddlejinks

I wish I could say, "Thanks for the warning… No, I don’t want to fight the VP with you either.” People who judge others before they ever fight side-by-side with them are not the ones I want on my team!

Hi there Dottie!

I vp'd with you last week with one of my toons on a very late after midnight run. Although we never battled together against the cogs, I could see clearly that you were the one holding together your side each round. I've just recently taken a liking for the super noobs and you absolutely Rock!

As far as Hollywoods go (or any other suit), you never know how good they are until you actually play with them. I've seem quite a few Hollywoods that don't deserve that status and those have clearly rode some coat tails to get there.

Hope to play with you again in another VP soon!

[Salty Fiddlejinks]

Originally Posted by xduckz

Hi there Dottie!

I vp'd with you last week with one of my toons on a very late after midnight run. Although we never battled together against the cogs, I could see clearly that you were the one holding together your side each round. I've just recently taken a liking for the super noobs and you absolutely Rock!

As far as Hollywoods go (or any other suit), you never know how good they are until you actually play with them. I've seem quite a few Hollywoods that don't deserve that status and those have clearly rode some coat tails to get there.

Hope to play with you again in another VP soon!

Hey Cool! Nice to hear from you! Yeah, would love to VP with you again. After reaching Hollywood, I don't get to go very often between the marathon merit runs in the factory. But we've had some great team players in recent history, and Dottie has experienced a very warm reception from a huge number of toons down in VP lately. Ya'all rock the city!!

[PrincessRainbowDandy]

Dottie...I told ya you were a legend!

and btw, I ONLY do VP when there's at LEAST 1 cold caller OR at LEAST 1 low laff...If there's more, then more fun for me! Too boring for me to bother any other way

[DutchAmerica]

but if there weren't so many low - mid laffers with low gag levels hanging out at the elevator, I think the super noobs would have a better chance of hopping in with most of us.

lBesides the Teen laffers - 35ishes with low level gags, I have actually seen a 17 laffer with level 2 gags wearing a telemarketer suit.

That is just someone's sick way of making everyone angry.

If big toons would be a little pickier about who they take through the warehouse, it would save us all a lot of grief in the end.

[kirbyslaboratory]

Originally Posted by DutchAmerica

but if there weren't so many low - mid laffers with low gag levels hanging out at the elevator, I think the super noobs would have a better chance of hopping in with most of us.

lBesides the Teen laffers - 35ishes with low level gags, I have actually seen a 17 laffer with level 2 gags wearing a telemarketer suit.

That is just someone's sick way of making everyone angry.

If big toons would be a little pickier about who they take through the warehouse, it would save us all a lot of grief in the end.

I feel this way too. If a 50 laffer wants to go in the VP and he has high level gags, then I invite him to do so. If they have low laff and low gags, I don't like going in with them unless I know they know how to work with others. And well....Super Noobs are fine with me!

[WizardHawk]

Originally Posted by DutchAmerica

I am not saying anything about Dottie Com but I have seen other Mr. Hollywoods that don't know how to battle worth a darn.

There will always be bad players however anyone who has made it to holly had gone through a lot to get there. Any toon under 70 that is a holly has gone through twice as much. We carry less gags and have to know more about strategy than the 'lets just use sound to blast through everything' average large toon. Dottie is twice the player of most toons over 100 I assure you.

I know how SOME have gotten their suits, it's by hanging back and letting others do battle. It's called waiting in the warehouse while others run the factory. It's called using the cheats to get the jellybeans and gags while the others do the cogs.

I really doubt that many have made it to holly with such tactics. I don't let toons get away with that and neither does anyone else I know. We either bail, or 'assist' them in going sad. To get to holly like that would take at least twice as long as playing normal.

Just because they have a suit doesn't really mean anything to me. Depending on who the toon is, even if they ARE a million level Hollywood, I won't go with them. Maybe these people share their toons with their kids and the kids get them bad names.

I'll take a 47 Holly 12 over a 90 Telemarketer any time. It is rare you find a holly that plays THAT badly. The worst thing they do is try and use sound on every round, but even that can be overcame by smart players.

Never judge a book by its cover. In this case, if you see a lower toon that has a high suit AND MAXED GAGS you can assume they are experienced players.

[Sir Laff-A-Lot]

Originally Posted by DutchAmerica

If big toons would be a little pickier about who they take through the warehouse, it would save us all a lot of grief in the end.

I have to disagree with this,toons are offered a task to go in the factory at around 35 laffs I think.the developers seem to want them there so why not take them?Also,they all want to try the vp,who are you(or we) to keep them from it?As far as the VP we all have our own comfort levels.for me 2 smaller toons with 6 bigger 85 ish on up.is about as risky as I like to get.7 toons is ok too.but much less then that and I get nervous!

[Spunky]

Originally Posted by Sir Laff-A-Lot

I have to disagree with this,toons are offered a task to go in the factory at around 35 laffs I think.the developers seem to want them there so why not take them?Also,they all want to try the vp,who are you(or we) to keep them from it?As far as the VP we all have our own comfort levels.for me 2 smaller toons with 6 bigger 85 ish on up.is about as risky as I like to get.7 toons is ok too.but much less then that and I get nervous!

That's a little more conservative than me, but generally fine. Happy to Veep with you as long as you're not a dancer. I h8 dancers.

I had a good one today with a 65, a 65 and a 43 on my side, and we would've got away with it if it hadn't been for that pesky red mag.

[DutchAmerica]

They are offered 1 maybe 2 headquarters task, unless they volunteerily take the factory tasks. Completing 1 task does NOT get them a complete outfit.
Many of the low - mid toons showing up there are either doing volunteered tasks or NO tasks, or they are supposed to be getting lawbots, etc., in ttc or the docks.

What difference does the suite make? It's the toon UNDER the suit. The big fancy suit doesn't make that toon any better than anyone else. So don't insult the rest of us that have worked hard finishing our tasks but might not be 'Hollies". And I would like to point out that HAD I spent ALL my time in the headquarters, I would have been a Mr. Hollywood too, BUT I went and finished my tasks and now I have a toon that has finished all my tasks. And had I not helped my friends so much outside the factory with THEIR tasks, I could have been a Mr. Hollywood too.

See when you put somebody on a pedestal you are insulting everyone else. What exactly is a super noob? I thought it was someone that is just out of ttc or partly done the docks that has all his gags maxxed. He would be somewhere in there range of 25ish laffs with either toonup or sound. I thought THAT was a super noob.

That is someone that intentionally kept his toon small. Someone who is in the 50ish range with maxxed gags is someone who is stalled on a task and doesn't feel like finishing it. Does that make him a hero above everyone else that had dones their tasks? I don't think so. And there ARE a few mid laffer - maxxed - hollies that act like total jerks to everyone else even their own kind. I have a 66 laffer almost maxxed, and one of our favorites has been nothing but nasty to THAT toon everytime I try to play with her.

[Spunky]

Originally Posted by DutchAmerica

What exactly is a super noob?

My understanding is that a super noob is a maxed under-26 laffer or a maxed under-51 laffer. I.e. one who can help you with your elder building or HQ tasks without having to hang around TTC.

[DutchAmerica]

in this conversation?

Because I am a 105 maxxed gladhander, I am not as good as a maxxed 50 laffer Hollywood because I haven't done the same repetitive chore over and over again? And just because I don't choose to run the factory with risky lower laffers? It's the way you are making it sound. #1, I don't find that many competant lower laffer to take, but I don't refuse them if they are at a certain gag level and have battled before.

Do YOU remember what is takes to get to 105? We had to do various tasks that were required. It's a lot different then running the same route over and over and over again. It takes discipline to stay on task and a lot of battling and strategy. Has a 50ish laffer even finished the Brrgh? I don't think so.

It's one thing to stand up for your friend that is a good strong mid laffer but it's another to insult other players that are just as good but chose to follow their tasks to completion rather than just dedicate themselves to doing the vp. Is it wrong for me to WANT to do the VP with toons of my OWN level? Shouldn't that be MY right and not be called stinky for it?

The headquarters is the only thing I have to work on at this point. It felt good to finally finish up and have this left to do before the new stuff come out. At least I have 1 toon that is ready for whatever may come.

What happens if the new playground has more laffs to get and new gags? Those 50 laffers will still have to complete their tasks before moving on. So in some ways they are only handicapping themselves.

[Dawggie]

Originally Posted by DutchAmerica

in this conversation?

Because I am a 105 maxxed gladhander, I am not as good as a maxxed 50 laffer Hollywood because I haven't done the same repetitive chore over and over again?

First of all, according to your signature, you are not a maxxed toon as you've not maxxed trap and drop. I've not VP'd with you before so can't really comment on you not being as good (cuz you could very well be just as good) as a Holly 50. But you've probably not experienced the broad range of VP battles that a Holly 50 has, and for that reason, your experience level cannot be compared to a Holly 50.

Originally Posted by DutchAmerica

Do YOU remember what is takes to get to 105? We had to do various tasks that were required. It's a lot different then running the same route over and over and over again. It takes discipline to stay on task and a lot of battling and strategy. Has a 50ish laffer even finished the Brrgh? I don't think so.

If you are referring to 50 and under laff super noobs, this is done by design to stay at or under 50 laff. You can take it a step further for super noobs that are 25 laff and under and say those toons have never even completed Donald's Dock. In fact, those 25 and under laffers only have teleport access to ToonTown Central!!!

How difficult it is to get to 105 laff in today's toontown environment? With all the easy tasks being offered today, it's not very difficult at all. This will not be a popular statement, but 105 laffers are a dime a dozen these days. Dutch, you may be the last toon to get to 105 laff the old fashion way. But lets face it, there are just way too many tasks being offered for laff that require nothing more than defeating a cog factory. That is the main reason why there are sooooo many 105 laffers with such underdeveloped gags running around HQ these days. Its to the point that I check gags for 105 laffers in the VP lobby now. You'll be surprised how many of them only have 3 level 6 gags in the bag (and these are usually the ones that insist on working their underdeveloped gags in VP).

Originally Posted by DutchAmerica

Is it wrong for me to WANT to do the VP with toons of my OWN level? Shouldn't that be MY right and not be called stinky for it?

Absolutely, you have every right to VP with toons of your choice without being bashed for it. If you have a group, may I suggest you take your group to a district that is less populated and VP there so you wont have to deal with stragglers.

Originally Posted by DutchAmerica

What happens if the new playground has more laffs to get and new gags? Those 50 laffers will still have to complete their tasks before moving on. So in some ways they are only handicapping themselves.

Super Noobs are generally created by individuals who have one or several maxxed Hollywood toons (beyond level 12) that are looking for a new challenge in the game. Often times, the super noob is the 3rd, 4th, 5th, or even 6th toon on their account. More often than not, the individual playing the super noob is a highly skilled player with VP battle experience far beyond your average 100+ laffer. For those of us playing a super noob, the VP has become just a formality.... go in with a group, defeat 2 sets of cogs and then drop the VP to his death.... in other words.... BORING!!

With the super noobs, you have an entirely different environment with totally new challenges. Not only do you HAVE TO have great skill, you absolutely need LUCK and great teamwork. Great team work and strategy is essential to a super noob's survival, after all 1 or 2 missed lures and it's back to the playground with a green face.

So, unless there is a minimum laff requirement to get into the new HQ, I would think that most super noobs will be just fine where they are at currently. Super noobs are created by people that want that adrenaline rush back when they fight the VP. I can honestly say that taking your super noob to fight the VP definitely brings back the adrenaline high that has been missing since the early days of HQ.

[DutchAmerica]

Ok, Mid laffer super noobs are gods and I will make sure I bend over backwards to accomodate them. No matter whether I pay to play with the game or not, I will make sure I get NO enjoyment from the game whatsoever.
I will just dedicate myself to helping every selfish toon finish what ever task or what ever goals they are working on. I will just hang at the factory and 'safe' guard whatever toon wants to go through. I will just go sad during vp and be happy about it because someone ELSE wants an adrenaline rush. That's my motto from now on.

You are real smart aren't you. And as far as the toon showing up in my signature line, you are right. SHE is not quite maxxed yet. You are just ASSUMING I am talking about Robin Bobin just like people assume I'm Dutch. I actually have OTHER toons as well. Robin Bobin is my pet because she is named after ME. I do have other toons especially since I have 2 toon town accounts. We had to have a second account because I wanted to start new toons without deleting others. I only have toons that I consistently play with listed here. You know that smell of moth balls you get every now and then when you are on TT. That's because I brought out one of my old toons from the closet.

You would be shocked to see what some of these toons do when they don't think anyone is watching them to report back.