Sad and frustrated

[LadyVioletTwinkletoe]

Originally Posted by Panzerfaust

Is that a bad thing?



Why? That's a great idea!



A measure of snobbery seems to exist on either side of this argument, though. Just look at the suggestions in this thread that many of the people who aren't thrilled about low/midlevel laffers that insist on jumping on an elevator - even when there are clearly many people present who object to it - would be simply not skilled enough themselves, or not experienced enough to enjoy a proper challenge.

Waiting for 70lp is not a bad idea on his part, he is only waiting due to the fear of rejection. He has done the vp many times and knows how to handle himself there.

I have gone into the vp with mid laffers and I always cheer them on!

[Fatfluffyfreckleface]

Originally Posted by Panzerfaust
It may be a fun gimmick once you've got a handful of ubers but really by the time you've got 3 or 4 maxed gags you could've easily had high laff as well. That is if you had done normal tasks instead of going to the VP. And then you'd be even more useful! Anyway, I think most would agree that mid laffers, even the ones that have maxed gags, are a bit more reliant on others for toonup goodwill. And they also rely on others to click on them to check their skills.

Ok, Not tryin to be mean..or start a flame war here, but a huge news flash for you..people dont play this game to be 'useful' to you..nor do they play by your rules of how they should raise their toon. We have alot of Elder toons that makes these "super" toons for fun. And on the 'toon-up goodwill'..dont we all rely on each other for toon-ups? Of course we do! no matter what the laff point. I'll give any toon a sporting chance. If when I first do the VP with them or the factory..and I see they arent a good player ..then I try to avoid them later on. But I never call them names or insult them. If I go to a elevator and they are there..then I move to another district or wait till they are gone with another group. But I always keep my feelings to myself. I try to help them by using the "I think you should..." If they dont listen or dont seem to care..then I make the best of the situation and move on. I will take a maxed out low/mid laffer before I'll take a mid gag high laff.

On another note...and yes I know this is off topic..but another reason for the elevator shuffle ...its high laffers going with their "click" or "group". I'm ok with this...hey, play with who you want..but it would be easier on everyone if that group would go to a empty district and go to the VP, instead of going to the one with the most toons and trying to ride the elevator. I'm 103 laff and I've had toons insult me because I hopped on the elevator, thinking it was a free for all ride. After a few times hopping in..If I see everyone keeps leaving..then I know I'm not wanted..and back off till they leave or find another group.

But still..no matter what the situation..it doesnt give anyone the right to call names or insult others. Its a game and its meant to have fun and be a small haven away from the real world for a while. Its the players that bring so many politics into the game. 2c

[Solid Squirrlee 2]

I don't see what the big deal is...my second toon Mister Loopy Dandydoodle just went up to 101 Laff yesterday. he like his big borther Solid Squirrlee started VPing at around 80 Laff.Solid Squirrlee wasn't as good in the gag department at 80 Laff,he was a first toon and I was learning the game still.Loopy on the other hand had alot more knowlege of the game and spent more time working gags. The task where you must get a Whole Cream Pie was only 100 experience points away for Loopy where Solid had only had the Whole Fruit Pie for a short time before getting that task (needed over 1000 Exp pts) Loopy was Built up in half the time it took to get Solid to 4 maxed gags and level 6 on the other 2.

My waiting till 80 Laff to VP on both toons was my choice. I wanted to have the extra laff as a buffer in the VP because I never ask for tune ups. I use to drive my daughter nuts in the VP durring the Pie fight because I would go sad without a word about a tune up. Now that isn't a problem because I usually loose less than 30 laffs in the pie fight!

I could care less about how many Laffs a toon has in the VP now.If a player wants to go with me fine.....I'll do all I can to keep them alive!! If you want to VP join the CCG I'm a active member and will take anyone that gets in the elevator with me!! I don't check Laffs or gags of any toons before I get in the elevator I just wait till there are a good mix of suits and usually jump in first and let other toons fill in.I've went with as many as 5 cold callers or as low as one...it matters not to me! If you want to VP I'll take you...i just ask that you take advise on when to pass and that you follow other high toons when asked to follow them. In the CCG high toons are your escorts and some of us don't even stay for the dance (get promoted) so please listen to our suggestions in the battles we really do know what we are doing.We don't take joy from bossing other players we just want to help you make good choices. I joined the CCG as an escort at 106 Laff and took adivse from lower laff toons that had more CCG experience. Now I try to pass my experience to other toons.The VP really isn't that hard if you use team work and good strategy. If you would like to try the CCG read the guidelines and strategies and join a raid as a non member...be prepared to be impressed...I was!!!!

[Panzerfaust]

Originally Posted by WizardHawk

I grow tired of saying the same things over and over.
I grow tired of saying the same things over and over.
I grow tired of saying the same things over and over.

Yeah, you sound tired.

I have to make posts that are over a hundred words to make sure no one can misunderstand it, and yet STILL get people putting words into the main ideas here... Oof!

What does that mean?

I'll say it once again I guess:
Every player is free to play with, or not play with, anyone they want! Those who do choose are not necessarily doing so out of fright or lack of skill. You have the right to your opinion that Disney should have made it so that toons over 70 (or whatever) are the only ones allowed to go in. You do NOT have the right to take matters into your own hand and attack, call names, or otherwise go against the rules set by the people who made the game! Lower toons are allowed, and encouraged to go there and you have no right to impede that right. You should just avoid lower toons if you don't want to play with them, not attack them.

Uhm, what? Who is attacking and calling names?

Isn't it ironic that toons with your view suggest you have no requirement to be a 'team' player and help lower toons

I'm not sure which toons with 'my view' you're talking about/to. I help low laff toons all the time. It can be a lot of fun!

I wouldn't go so far as to qualify it as a 'requirement' to help people, though. That sounds rather like a job or something.

, yet you suggest that those lower toons are out of line if they do not play the game the way you think they should so that thay can be 'more useful' to you?

Well, if you read back you can see that I simply expressed wonderment about the reasons why low laff toons want to be at the vp. To which I've still not really had much of an answer, actually.

What I did see though was you going on for quite some time about what you consider your rights, and my rights, and everyone's Disney-given rights.

I also mentioned being annoyed with some low laff toons who keep frustrating the vp elevator process. I'm wagering that this is something many players must've experienced themselves at some point in time. Maybe not yourself, though.

Since when do you have a right to say how we should play our toons?

It's interesting that you keep accusing me of this, when in actuality it seems to me that it is mainly you who has been telling me repeatedly how misguided I supposedly am, and what I should be thinking and doing instead.

We have more fun with 'uber' toons and we should be allowed to play that way if we wish. I'll thank you to worry about your own play and leave me to mine.

Well, it's no worry to me really, and I had actually stopped responding to your recitations of the player bill of rights. But I guess you came back. Even though you're tired.

Anyway I'd like to reserve a right for myself now - to continue to ask low laffers not to frustrate the elevator process when it is blatantly obvious there are several other players who don't want them there.

[Panzerfaust]

Originally Posted by Fatfluffyfreckleface

Ok, Not tryin to be mean..or start a flame war here, but a huge news flash for you..people dont play this game to be 'useful'
to you..

Hi there!
If you read back, I was responding to a post that claimed mid laffers with maxed gags are more 'valuable' than high laffers with weak gags. I simply followed the line of argument when I added that players with both assets are even more valuable. No, I do not live under the impression that people play this game to be useful to me.

nor do they play by your rules of how they should raise their toon. We have alot of Elder toons that makes these "super" toons for fun. And on the 'toon-up goodwill'..dont we all rely on each other for toon-ups? Of course we do! no matter what the laff point. I'll give any toon a sporting chance. If when I first do the VP with them or the factory..and I see they arent a good player ..then I try to avoid them later on. But I never call them names or insult them.

Well that actually pretty much sums up my own feelings on the subject. Although.. ANY toon? Nah, not me. I mean I like doing the VP more than factory runs right now and needless factory reruns.. bleh.

If I go to a elevator and they are there..then I move to another district or wait till they are gone with another group. But I always keep my feelings to myself. I try to help them by using the "I think you should..." If they dont listen or dont seem to care..then I make the best of the situation and move on. I will take a maxed out low/mid laffer before I'll take a mid gag high laff.

On another note...and yes I know this is off topic..but another reason for the elevator shuffle ...its high laffers going with their "click" or "group". I'm ok with this...hey, play with who you want..but it would be easier on everyone if that group would go to a empty district and go to the VP, instead of going to the one with the most toons and trying to ride the elevator. I'm 103 laff and I've had toons insult me because I hopped on the elevator, thinking it was a free for all ride. After a few times hopping in..If I see everyone keeps leaving..then I know I'm not wanted..and back off till they leave or find another group.

I know there are other reasons for the elevator shuffle than just the low levels. Me, I can at times get annoyed at any of them. I just want to play!

But still..no matter what the situation..it doesnt give anyone the right to call names or insult others.

I'd agree and I wouldn't want to do that at all.

Its a game and its meant to have fun and be a small haven away from the real world for a while. Its the players that bring so many politics into the game. 2c

There's nothing wrong with discussion about (aspects of) the game though is there?

[MK_Superknees]

Originally Posted by Panzerfaust

Well, if you read back you can see that I simply expressed wonderment about the reasons why low laff toons want to be at the vp. To which I've still not really had much of an answer, actually.

The challenge. Going in with 8 100+ maxed toons is boring. Unless you're ignorant you win. When you're little, every gag counts. It makes the game more interesting, and victory sweet again.

[WizardHawk]

Originally Posted by Panzerfaust

Uhm, what? Who is attacking and calling names?

I was saying that I don't care if you do, or do not what to play with lower toons but my message to OTHERS has only been that you don't have a right to attack or name call. It is a general message my friend.

I'm not sure which toons with 'my view' you're talking about/to. I help low laff toons all the time. It can be a lot of fun!

My response was to this: "That is if you had done normal tasks instead of going to the VP. And then you'd be even more useful! " in which you are saying if we would simply just stay to the main linear story line and ignore the side story of SHQ until we are at some level you feel appropriate, we would be of more use to you and others who wonder why we are there in the first place. Your comment did not come across as being in the spirit of 'helping lower toons all the time'.

I wouldn't go so far as to qualify it as a 'requirement' to help people, though. That sounds rather like a job or something.

Those are not my words, but rather the words of several who have posted about this topic. Many have said they have no requirement to help lower toons and have used that as justification for their treatment of lower toons in the factory/VP area. The 'toons with your view' part of that quote shows it was not directed just to you.

Well, if you read back you can see that I simply expressed wonderment about the reasons why low laff toons want to be at the vp. To which I've still not really had much of an answer, actually.

You have been answered by at least 3 people that I am aware of. We do so because we find it more fun than just going with all maxed out toons. I have defeated the VP some 56 times on one toon, and 2 on the other. After all this time it just isn't interesting to play as a large toon anymore. It is WAY too easy that way and not fun at all. This is the second time I have given that very same response. Is that not enough of a reason for you? It is fun and I want to play that way, enough said.

What I did see though was you going on for quite some time about what you consider your rights, and my rights, and everyone's Disney-given rights.

If I don't, I am misquoted all over the place. Several in here keep trying to say that I am trying to dictate how you should think, and or play, and I have to over explain to help prevent that. If you can understand the concept that you can play however you want, but I don't think anyone has a right to call names or attack other players, then you understand my whole entire point. That is not to say that YOU attack or name call, that is to say the only people I have called elitist or other names fall into that catagory. If you do not do those things, my comments were not directed to you and I have said as much. Why so much confusion?

I also mentioned being annoyed with some low laff toons who keep frustrating the vp elevator process. I'm wagering that this is something many players must've experienced themselves at some point in time. Maybe not yourself, though.

Everyone has been annoyed by lower toons who cannot take 'no thank you' for a response. No one has every suggested that there are not bad/mean/out of line little toons out there nor that they don't deserve some name calling if they behave that way. I have been attacked by my fair share of little toons in the factory, and other parts of the game. You cannot avoid it. But this does not mean that higher toons have a right to attack ALL little toons and that is exactly the argument that many have used up here.

It's interesting that you keep accusing me of this, when in actuality it seems to me that it is mainly you who has been telling me repeatedly how misguided I supposedly am, and what I should be thinking and doing instead.

Care to post an example of where I have said how misguided YOU are and how YOU should think? You have posted your opinions on this topic and I posted mine back. This is how forums/BBS's work. Each side gets their say. If you can't accept that others think different from you without assuming they are telling you that you must change to their way, maybe you should try a different pass-time.

Anyway I'd like to reserve a right for myself now - to continue to ask low laffers not to frustrate the elevator process when it is blatantly obvious there are several other players who don't want them there.

Never did anyone make a comment against the idea that any toon (lower AND higher) should not frustrate the elevator process. Don't want to take sam along on a run because of his LP? I don't really care and would never push my way on. This thread was about the so-called 'super toons', not the typical 'new player, lower toon'. Those of us with second, third, or fourth toons do not typically hold elevators hostage. Your chances of finding any new players who are those annoying little toons reading posts up here are slim, but post your advice anyway if you feel like it. No one has ever tried to stop you.

[Fluffy Frecklefoot]

Originally Posted by bananagoober

I have a 103laff toon who has average gags and I have been saved many times by a group of toons with far less laff points. I was able to get to 103
without ever stepping one duckie foot in Donald's Dreamland. Because of this
I didn't do buildings and I have to play catch up now. If I take my toon to VP
some toons assume he is good because of his laff. My friends with less laugh and much better gags get griefed and shuffled around. I think people rely way too much on what a toon's laff is when determining their ability. 2c

You can't really assume anything about anyone you haven't played with before. I absolutely do not claim to be a great player and this is why: I am very inept in situations where play is very random and players do unexpected things. Dealing with the unexpected has been the toughest thing for me to master. Given my handicap, it's a real thrill to bring lower laff toons through VP, especially in situations where play is random and I have managed to be helpful. I have a high laff, maxxed toon (thanks to my friends) but I'm still just a fair player. Also, playing with lower laff toons requires a different strategic approach. There's little margin for error.

My point is that you just never know what you are going to get when you jump in the elevator with strangers. I've seen high level Mr. Hollywoods without maxxed gags. I've played with low laff toons with little gags who are phenomenol players. Someone checking out my toon might assume that I am a much better player than I actually am. But who cares anyway? Just go, have fun, try your hardest, and check your prejudices at the door.

Oh, and I don't mean to imply in any way that bananagoober is an inept toon like me.

[Sir Dudley]

Originally Posted by UMT

Here's a pic of my mid laffers gags. He'd walk all over your 100+

A maxed mid laffer like yours is way more helpful than a poorly gagged 104 (I should know; I didn't have any level 6 gags until 103 laff (not that I regret that)). Any mid laffer that helps is better than any 109 that sabotages.

[Zippy]

Just to follow up on my earlier post, We took my 6 yr old back to VP last night and he made it through the pie fight this time. He didnt stop dancing for an hour. Real life dancing that is. Its great to see them that happy. Thanks to all that helped. It was really fun.

[doc quackenheimer]

Originally Posted by Zippy

Just to follow up on my earlier post, We took my 6 yr old back to VP last night and he made it through the pie fight this time. He didnt stop dancing for an hour. Real life dancing that is. Its great to see them that happy. Thanks to all that helped. It was really fun.

was that an open run oor a CCG run? I was in a CCG run last night and I was pretty sure one of the toons was being played by a young child. If so he did a great job!

[Zippy]

Originally Posted by doc quackenheimer

was that an open run oor a CCG run? I was in a CCG run last night and I was pretty sure one of the toons was being played by a young child. If so he did a great job!

It was a group of Toon Town friends, a great bunch. They all have multiple toons so I dont remember which specific Toon they took last night to thank them by name but they were great.

[FTiodor]

[quote=WizardHawk]

but I don't think anyone has a right to call names or attack other players

Hey wizardhawk, it seems that neither of us can get away from the explosive posts lately. ( hee hee ) While I agree to everything you said here, I want to point out that I am concerned as to why high laffers are the only ones being labled as name callers or mistreaters. I have been in the VP lobby as a 108, 70, 60, 50, 40, 30, and even as a 17. On all of these occasions I have received mistreatment from toons with laff meters directly above mine. ( exception 108 ) As a 30 I was told it was too risky for me and that I stunk from a cold caller 1 at 45 laff. My point is that the same mistreatment is happening at all levels of the spectrum, not just by the high laffers. A great many low laffers are doing the very same thing to toons slightly lesser than them. It isn't right at any level, but you would think that these same toons who have to deal with this almost every time in the VP would not do the same to others.


fancyfrank

[WizardHawk]

Originally Posted by FTiodor

Hey wizardhawk, it seems that neither of us can get away from the explosive posts lately. ( hee hee ) While I agree to everything you said here, I want to point out that I am concerned as to why high laffers are the only ones being labled as name callers or mistreaters.

I agree fancyfrank and have address exactly that in this thread , here are two quotes from my last post about that:

Originally Posted by ME

Everyone has been annoyed by lower toons who cannot take 'no thank you' for a response. No one has ever suggested that there are not bad/mean/out of line little toons out there nor that they don't deserve some name calling if they behave that way. I have been attacked by my fair share of little toons in the factory, and other parts of the game. You cannot avoid it. But this does not mean that higher toons have a right to attack ALL little toons and that is exactly the argument that many have used up here.

Originally Posted by ME

Never did anyone make a comment against the idea that any toon (lower AND higher) should not frustrate the elevator process.

[FTiodor]

Originally Posted by WizardHawk

I agree fancyfrank and have address exactly that in this thread , here are two quotes from my last post about that:

I wasn't saying that you were responsible for this mishap, just making a general point that seems to be overlooked.


fancyfrank