Sad and frustrated

[Sally Kat]

Originally Posted by doc quackenheimer

Why is a 100 laff with average gags an more valuable than a maxed mid laff. The only time my larger toon went sad in around the last 20 tries was when I was with a group of 90's who didn't have good enough tune up in the skelecog battle. Why do they have any more right to be there. My mid laff did the entire skelecog battle with one other toon saturday after the rest went sad. I just don't see your point. There's a mix and excluding one group thats just as qualified as 70% of the other participants is wrong.

I agree, I always look at gags, you see too many 100 laffers with only level 5 gags these days.
You expect to take quite of bit of damage so everyone needs to carry lot's of toonup.
I don't feel very safe with a weak 100 laffer, their high laff isn't going to do anything for me or my team.

[LadyVioletTwinkletoe]

It is pretty sad how some toons manage to intimidate others, and try to justify their reasoning! My toon is a Holly 18, my sons have both used it many times in the factory and the vp. When shq opened, my toon was the only one with enough lp to explore, so they did the the factory and vp before I did!

Now, my 12 y/o son has decided that he will not attempt the vp before he has 70lp, due to the intimidation and elevator shuffle. An s/f of mine who is an adult and has 103lp, has decided that he will try the CCG for the same reason. I have pointed out to both of them that I have many s/f and we could likely get a group and go to an empty district, but they both are unsure of that idea. They are both uncomfortable with the possibility of being rejected by snobs!

[Panzerfaust]

Originally Posted by doc quackenheimer

Why is a 100 laff with average gags an more valuable than a maxed mid laff.

I'd agree that one isn't better than the other. Though the high laffers are a little easier to spot. Maxed mid laffers are a bit of a niche subculture though, aren't they? It may be a fun gimmick once you've got a handful of ubers but really by the time you've got 3 or 4 maxed gags you could've easily had high laff as well. That is if you had done normal tasks instead of going to the VP. And then you'd be even more useful!

Anyway, I think most would agree that mid laffers, even the ones that have maxed gags, are a bit more reliant on others for toonup goodwill. And they also rely on others to click on them to check their skills.

Oh well.

[doc quackenheimer]

Originally Posted by Panzerfaust

I'd agree that one isn't better than the other. Though the high laffers are a little easier to spot. Maxed mid laffers are a bit of a niche subculture though, aren't they? It may be a fun gimmick once you've got a handful of ubers but really by the time you've got 3 or 4 maxed gags you could've easily had high laff as well. That is if you had done normal tasks instead of going to the VP. And then you'd be even more useful!

Anyway, I think most would agree that mid laffers, even the ones that have maxed gags, are a bit more reliant on others for toonup goodwill. And they also rely on others to click on them to check their skills.

Oh well.

and alot of higher laff toons have had to rely on my lure and my tune ups when thier 3 magnets and pixie dust just don't cut it. Whats your point?

[bananagoober]

I have a 103laff toon who has average gags and I have been saved many times by a group of toons with far less laff points. I was able to get to 103
without ever stepping one duckie foot in Donald's Dreamland. Because of this
I didn't do buildings and I have to play catch up now. If I take my toon to VP
some toons assume he is good because of his laff. My friends with less laugh and much better gags get griefed and shuffled around. I think people rely way too much on what a toon's laff is when determining their ability. 2c

[Panzerfaust]

Originally Posted by LadyVioletTwinkletoe

Now, my 12 y/o son has decided that he will not attempt the vp before he has 70lp

Is that a bad thing?

due to the intimidation and elevator shuffle. An s/f of mine who is an adult and has 103lp, has decided that he will try the CCG for the same reason. I have pointed out to both of them that I have many s/f and we could likely get a group and go to an empty district, but they both are unsure of that idea.

Why? That's a great idea!

They are both uncomfortable with the possibility of being rejected by snobs!

A measure of snobbery seems to exist on either side of this argument, though. Just look at the suggestions in this thread that many of the people who aren't thrilled about low/midlevel laffers that insist on jumping on an elevator - even when there are clearly many people present who object to it - would be simply not skilled enough themselves, or not experienced enough to enjoy a proper challenge.

[Panzerfaust]

Originally Posted by doc quackenheimer

and alot of higher laff toons have had to rely on my lure and my tune ups when thier 3 magnets and pixie dust just don't cut it. Whats your point?

Well like I said. That the maxed mid laffer is the exception and not the rule. And your own choice.

And of course all the high laff toons I've ever had had high lure and toonup. I'd say that's a logical consequence for any team player, not something to take particular pride in.

[MK_Superknees]

Originally Posted by Panzerfaust

It may be a fun gimmick once you've got a handful of ubers but really by the time you've got 3 or 4 maxed gags you could've easily had high laff as well. That is if you had done normal tasks instead of going to the VP. And then you'd be even more useful!

You know, not everyone cares to be "useful" according to your definition. I chose not to do tasks anymore and to only do VP. This is my definition of a challenge, and of fun. You have to be sharp to make it through VP when you're so fragile. One slip up kills you. Anyways, lure missing can kill you - but lure hitting in no way assures victory.

I don't want high laff. I don't want more gags. You need a sub 50 to take the VP with? I'm your toon, though there are others equally qualified.

I am glad that my friends list is full of kind women (and a few men) who are glad to take me to VP and into the factory.

I bet when all of us "gimmicks" make it to Hollywood, the griping will not slacken in the least.

[Edit: Give me one or two more good pie throwers, and we can push the VP over easily. ]

[doc quackenheimer]

Originally Posted by Panzerfaust

Well like I said. That the maxed mid laffer is the exception and not the rule. And your own choice.

And of course all the high laff toons I've ever had had high lure and toonup. I'd say that's a logical consequence for any team player, not something to take particular pride in.

thanks for explaining. I don't want too seem like some mid laff snob. I make mistakes too, and there are others with better pie skills than me. I just think within reason anyone should be entitled to go. I for one, am disapointed if I go with a group that doesn't have a balance with a couple of lower gag/laff members.

[Deputy Monty]

Originally Posted by bananagoober

I was able to get to 103 without ever stepping one duckie foot in Donald's Dreamland.

Because of this I didn't do buildings and I have to play catch up now.

Since I maxed 3 toons long before cog HQ opened, I never realized that you could reach 100 lp (more if you've done ANY fishing) and never set foot in DDL and all those 5 story buildings...and all that experience gained in facing multiple high lvl cog rounds...until I did it with my last toon.

What I failed to realize is how that changes a person's playing experience. Thanks for reminding me.

When CHQ opened, most of my friends and I had maxed out toons but CHQ presented us with a new challenge...one it took us a few weeks to master. We felt that if we BIG toons could barely make it through, weak low laffers should definitely stay away from the dangers. Most of us have changed our tune...or should I say, toon!

Our skills have improved, we've been good teachers and there is a whole new generation of toons ready to conquer what we once found challenging. Many of us have found our challenge in making it harder on ourselves by playing a less fortified toon...or (in my case) of tagging along with some of those weaker toons when they go greet the VP.

[WizardHawk]

Originally Posted by Garlic

I love the e-champions for the low laffers' rights in this thread. It's all the responsibility of high laff toons to adjust their playing style and gag selection to keep the little ones alive, because they are also paying customers..and if you don't, why, you must be one of them "elitist" players!
The simple fact remains that a low laffer going along into a high-risk area (factory, VP) imposes restrictions on other people's freedom to play how they see fit. This can be fun, certainly, but to be helped along in this manner is a privilige and not a right you can expect every stranger you meet in TT to respect.
I didn't go into these areas before I could reasonably expect to last a round of 4 cogs attacking the party without me hammering the "I need a toon-up" button; if you do go there and you do go sad it's a shame, and moreso if you put the high-laffer at risk by being there while not ready. Nothing but common sense, really...

Do you actually read before posting? Every point you made was addressed in prior posts! If you are going to attack our view, at least bring something new to the table. I do not see where anyone posted "and if you don't, why, you must be one of them "elitist" players". If you read what I said, it says if you are one of those who feel the need to attack lower toons, you are an elitist.. Is that not simple enough to understand? I clearly post that anyone who does not wish to play with lower toons but doesn't harm them is playing just fine. Why don't you address that point? Oh, because then you would have nothing to rant on about.

Risk is a part of the game! Where do you people get off suggesting that players who are in an area open to them are somehow depriving you of your rights to an easy run? There was risk for all of us throughout the normal linear story line was there not? Why do some believe that just because they have finished that story line they have some kind of right to not have to take any more risks at the expense of others? This is insane people.

Next time, try reading first...

[WizardHawk]

Originally Posted by Panzerfaust

Just look at the suggestions in this thread that many of the people who aren't thrilled about low/midlevel laffers that insist on jumping on an elevator - even when there are clearly many people present who object to it - would be simply not skilled enough themselves, or not experienced enough to enjoy a proper challenge.

I grow tired of saying the same things over and over.
I grow tired of saying the same things over and over.
I grow tired of saying the same things over and over.

I have to make posts that are over a hundred words to make sure no one can misunderstand it, and yet STILL get people putting words into the main ideas here... Oof!

I'll say it once again I guess:
Every player is free to play with, or not play with, anyone they want! Those who do choose are not necessarily doing so out of fright or lack of skill. You have the right to your opinion that Disney should have made it so that toons over 70 (or whatever) are the only ones allowed to go in. You do NOT have the right to take matters into your own hand and attack, call names, or otherwise go against the rules set by the people who made the game! Lower toons are allowed, and encouraged to go there and you have no right to impede that right. You should just avoid lower toons if you don't want to play with them, not attack them.

It may be a fun gimmick once you've got a handful of ubers but really by the time you've got 3 or 4 maxed gags you could've easily had high laff as well. That is if you had done normal tasks instead of going to the VP. And then you'd be even more useful!

Isn't it ironic that toons with your view suggest you have no requirement to be a 'team' player and help lower toons, yet you suggest that those lower toons are out of line if they do not play the game the way you think they should so that thay can be 'more useful' to you? Since when do you have a right to say how we should play our toons? We have more fun with 'uber' toons and we should be allowed to play that way if we wish. I'll thank you to worry about your own play and leave me to mine.

[WizardHawk]

Originally Posted by MK_Superknees

I bet when all of us "gimmicks" make it to Hollywood, the griping will not slacken in the least.

MK, I have proposed to some of my 'uber' toon friends that we need to make a VP run with just us in it. Perhaps if we do a run with no toons over 70 and all make it, we can put to rest those who say we are not contributing and are being 'carried' by larger toons. A lot of their argument will go up in smoke with such a run. I'm sure you are up for it. I'll post more about such a run in the CCG forum when we are ready.

[Toon Dad]

Originally Posted by Sally Kat

Your gags must be pretty awesome too after all those vp runs.
I always click on the toons gag stats, the other day we were playing with a 23 laffer in the factory who had a thundercloud.

Sally Kat - I only maxed my final gag a few days ago. It was a lot of fun and well worth every moment. I even snapped a couple of pic's when I did it .

[MK_Superknees]

Originally Posted by WizardHawk

MK, I have proposed to some of my 'uber' toon friends that we need to make a VP run with just us in it. Perhaps if we do a run with no toons over 70 and all make it, we can put to rest those who say we are not contributing and are being 'carried' by larger toons. A lot of their argument will go up in smoke with such a run. I'm sure you are up for it. I'll post more about such a run in the CCG forum when we are ready.

Please - call me J.

Anyways, I'm ready to go. I know UMT was planning something like this, so I asked the strong low laffers that I know if they'd like to do it. I know I can speak for myself and one other (Canaduck aka Miss Taffy), and I think I know of one other Skitzow-like 25 laffer who would join us (He's a Name Dropper).

PM me - I'm always ready!