Some factory advice for noobs

[Yellow Horse]

Before I get blasted from those who will say that every tune has a right to play however they want, the suggestions below are simply that...suggestions.

For you noobs who think high laffers are arrogant, here are some tips from the perspective of a Mr. Hollywood who now has to make 10+ factory runs every time I go for a promotion. If you want to ride along with high laffers, please consider the following...

1. Show up at the elevator fully healthy.

2. Show up at the elevator fully gagged.

3. Announce the toontask you are working on so that the high laffers understand you won't necessarily be the 40 laffer causing grief at the VP elevator tomorrow.

4. Once in the factory...SHUT UP. The last thing 3 Mr. Hollywoods need is advice from a 50 laffer on what gags to use.

5. Don't bother asking for the group to go the lava room or paint mixer. We high laffers don't need the TU feather or jelly beans. If you want to go shopping then come into the factory with a group of other noobs.

6. Don't whine if we high laffers elephant call and foghorn our way through the factory. A single round of fighting per group of cogs makes for a much faster run. After hundreds of factory runs, please forgive us high laffers if we don't care that you are trying to upgrade your seltzer bottle. That's what buildings are for.

7. Don't try to boss the group around. Once on the east silo I was running towards the door and a 50 something whispered to me to step on the switch. Duh. I was happy to see that tune go sad in the foreman battle.

8. If you notice that a high laffer is working a gag, help. Your seltzer bottle is of no use in the factory, but if I'm working my drop gags, you're an instant friend if you stun a cog for me.

9. Play smart.

10. Join the battle. If you try to freeload by standing off to the side and then join the group at the end I guarantee the others will find a way to make you go sad.

11. If you are worried about being left high and dry in the foreman battle, do NOT be the first to enter the room. Also...do NOT be the only toon to use an offensive gag or you will be the target of the cog's attacks.

12. Do NOT be the one stepping on the switch after the 2nd silo battle. I was in the factory a few weeks ago with a freeloader 30 laffer who didn't join in any battles. He stood by the east silo door during the second silo fight to be the one to step on the switch. As soon as he went in I whispered to the others to hurry. We immediately entered the center silo and foghorned the group before the leech could get there. He entered to see the three of us dancing. Very satisfying.

13. You're welcome to join us and most of us are happy to help, but remember that any of the 100+ laffers could probably solo the factory. You need us more than we need you. Act accordingly if you want to be dancing at the foreman's funeral.

Captain Chunky Crunchycrumbs
104 LP
Mr Hollywood level 12
42/50/Gold (need the All-Star, Old King Crab, Full/Crescent/??? Moon,Grizzley, Grand and Baby Grand)
TU lvl 6
Lure lvl 6
Trap never
Sound max'd
Throw max'd
Squirt max'd
Drop lvl 5

[Zelnick]

I agree with most of those statements Yellow Horse, but some are a bit harse. But it's all good advice nonetheless.

[harvschmarv]

Some good stuff there. Yes, harsh, but I've met a few toons lately who I'd like to throw off the silo

[amypurpleberry]

Could you please clarify your feelings on the n00b stepping on the 2nd switch. I completely understand the annoyance with free loaders, but does that have anything to do with stepping on the switches? I personally find it refreshing when i'm playing my 100+ and on of the mid lp's steps on the switch. It's almost like a show of appreciation, acknowledgment, and respect a sort of "thank you for helping me through the factory, oh no let me get that" sort of thing. And when i'm playing my sons mid laffer I never expect a 100+ to have to step on the switch. So i'd like to hear your opinion if it differs than mine. It's always nice to get another persons point of view to help figure out if yours is PC. Thanks

[Jeran Keric]

This is so beautiful! *Snif* *Snif* My favorite one here is the "SHUT UP", my goodness! We know how to play better than you, we have better gags than you, we know ALL about the switches so please stop squeeking over and over its annoying! Especially the ones that try to chat with you even though they know you can't understand them.

You = Noob

[Yellow Horse]

Originally Posted by amypurpleberry

Could you please clarify your feelings on the n00b stepping on the 2nd switch. I completely understand the annoyance with free loaders, but does that have anything to do with stepping on the switches? I personally find it refreshing when i'm playing my 100+ and on of the mid lp's steps on the switch. It's almost like a show of appreciation, acknowledgment, and respect a sort of "thank you for helping me through the factory, oh no let me get that" sort of thing. And when i'm playing my sons mid laffer I never expect a 100+ to have to step on the switch. So i'd like to hear your opinion if it differs than mine. It's always nice to get another persons point of view to help figure out if yours is PC. Thanks

A toon doesn't get the disguise part unless he's a party to the foreman battle. Whoever stays behind after the 2nd silo battle to step on the switch runs the risk of being left out of the final battle if the others wish to exclude that toon. That's especially true if the group does the west silo 2nd because it's hard to get out of the room before the doors close. 3 people can beat the final 4 cogs in one round, ending the factory run. So 3 toons who want to ditch a 4th can do so there.

In the case I mentioned it worked out perfect because the 3 of us were itching to make the freeloader go sad or to exclude him from the final dance. When he stayed back to step on the switch it gave us the chance to make sure he didn't get a disguise part.

My point was that if a noob makes a legitimate effort to be a helpful part of the group but is worried about being excluded at the end, he/she should not be the one who steps on the 2nd switch.

[Grandma]

I also agree that most of these points are valid and also rather harsh.

What you seem to be disregarding...all of you...is that just because someone is a low laffer it doesn't necessarily mean they are new to the game. My wee toon, Mr. E, has only been through the factory twice and only because my sf's figured that trying to keep me alive broke up the boredom of continual factory runs. No one else would give me a chance to see if I could even make it.

Just because Mr. E is small doesn't mean that I am a future griefer for the vp nor that I am clueless to the ways of the factory. Been there, done that more times than I can count. LOL

On my high laffers I love taking smaller toons through. If they don't pull their weight or annoy the heck out of me, I just remember them and they don't go with me again. I give all toons, no matter what level they are a clean slate to start with. What they do with it when the battles start is up to them.

I just can't see how people can take laff count and gag level and factor in from just that combination that someone is more trouble than they are worth. Do you have any idea at all how many high laffers have gotten extremely tired of constant merit runs and thus have created new toons just to counter all that boredom? Just try to remember that low laff does NOT equal no experience.

And if you see Mr. E, the wee blue mouse sitting politely outside the elevator in Zippieland, please consider taking him along...he is a real sweetheart and a good team player. :-)

[Fluffy Frecklefoot]

Originally Posted by Yellow Horse

Before I get blasted from those who will say that every tune has a right to play however they want, the suggestions below are simply that...suggestions.

Your suggestions are interesting and might be helpful to some "noobs" but the reality is that only a tiny fraction of noobs will ever read them because most are not aware of this site. I have a suggestion for big toons who are easily annoyed by noobs and that is to stay away from them. If you have a group of high laugh toons who just want to sound through the factory why don't you switch to an empty district where you won't be bothered? Leave the noobs to the high laffers who are tolerant and like to help.

[Mommy Dearest]

Yellow horse, I couldn't have put it better. I just answered another thread where a noobie was sniffling about being badly treated. There is, of course, no excuse for rudeness or cruelty, but I spelled out some of the rules you outlined (not as eloquently as you) to explain why the big guys sometimes get frustrated.

[Weird Stubby]

Another Big Toons Rule post.

Point number 6 says:

6. Don't whine if we high laffers elephant call and foghorn our way through the factory. A single round of fighting per group of cogs makes for a much faster run. After hundreds of factory runs, please forgive us high laffers if we don't care that you are trying to upgrade your seltzer bottle. That's what buildings are for.

and then numer 8 says:

8. If you notice that a high laffer is working a gag, help. Your seltzer bottle is of no use in the factory, but if I'm working my drop gags, you're an instant friend if you stun a cog for me.

So apparently it is ok for High LAF toons to work gags, but not Low LAF toons. I am glad to get the rules straight.

Thanks.

[Fluffy Frecklefoot]

Originally Posted by Wierd Stubby

So apparently it is ok for High LAF toons to work gags, but not Low LAF toons. I am glad to get the rules straight.

Thanks.

Hmmm. Not allowed to work their gags. Not allowed to complete their tasks unless they obey these rules which they'll likely never see. These noobs are gonna stay noobs for a reeeeal long time.

[Sir Dudley]

Originally Posted by Wierd Stubby

So apparently it is ok for High LAF toons to work gags, but not Low LAF toons. I am glad to get the rules straight.

When high laff toons use sound they are not working their gags; they are going quickly. A high laff toon knows when to work their gags and when not to. If you are a low laff toon it is OK to work your gags as long as you aren't being stupid and using little magnets or sound when we lure etc..

[WizardHawk]

Originally Posted by Wierd Stubby

Another Big Toons Rule post.

Point number 6 says:



and then numer 8 says:



So apparently it is ok for High LAF toons to work gags, but not Low LAF toons. I am glad to get the rules straight.

Thanks.

Pretty much took the words right out of my mouth
Yes, YH is an elitist toon. Yes these words are sharp and harsh. Yes some of the advice is helpful. But I would change only one thing and that is putting the word 'SOME' in front of many of the uses of 'HIGH TOONS'. Not all of us feel the same way.

So #6 and #8 are a ******** joke at best. How can you say those both with a straight face? and #3 isn't that important either. I run Sam through the factory often. He has had a full suit for a long time and I am not taking him into the VP for now. When I do, it will be with the CCG until he has at least a TM6 suit. You have no way of knowing that someone without a task that meets your requirements is going to 'grief' you at the elevator. Grow up.

All of the others are valid points, but put in with such a tone of arrogance as to force one to come away with a bad taste in their mouths after reading it. Don't want to take lower toons through the factory? THEN DON'T! No need to kill them off, assume they are all actually new players with their heads in their rears, or force them to basically follow you around and stand there unless you allow them to work a gag because you need to work something. Just ******** go to a dead server and let the rest of us play in peace!

It really doesn't take that much longer to just sound enough to kill 2 of the 3 in each group and let the lower toon get in a hit does it? Time to get off that high horse a little, so to speak

I'm a Holly 32, so what? Does that mean I can dictate how others can/should play? By no means is this true. You Hollys on a mission to ruin SHQ do not own this zone! This is not here just for you to frolic around in. This is here for everyone. You have a right to not play with them, but how dare you suggest you have the right to tell them how to play if they do need to be there.

This is why I wish Disney would just make a server for maxed toons only. A whole server including TTC even where no toon who has not completed all tasks in DDL AND was fully maxed in all 6 tracks could go. This would solve a lot of problems. Those of you who are not into helping could go off on your own. The rest of us could go there to fish in peace if we wish.

Why can't this just be a game? A place to have fun and meet people? Relax a bit and try decaf!

[Fluffy Frecklefoot]

Originally Posted by WizardHawk

This is why I wish Disney would just make a server for maxed toons only. A whole server including TTC even where no toon who has not completed all tasks in DDL AND was fully maxed in all 6 tracks could go. This would solve a lot of problems. Those of you who are not into helping could go off on your own. The rest of us could go there to fish in peace if we wish.

Good points all. YH couldn't take advantage of such a server because he hasn't maxxed his drop though.

This is just another thinly disguised noob hater thread. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to help noobs but if you feel that way, why get on the elevator with them in the first place?

[Yellow Horse]

Originally Posted by WizardHawk

Pretty much took the words right out of my mouth
Yes, YH is an elitist toon. Yes these words are sharp and harsh. Yes some of the advice is helpful. But I would change only one thing and that is putting the word 'SOME' in front of many of the uses of 'HIGH TOONS'. Not all of us feel the same way.

So #6 and #8 are a ******** joke at best. How can you say those both with a straight face? and #3 isn't that important either. I run Sam through the factory often. He has had a full suit for a long time and I am not taking him into the VP for now. When I do, it will be with the CCG until he has at least a TM6 suit. You have no way of knowing that someone without a task that meets your requirements is going to 'grief' you at the elevator. Grow up.

All of the others are valid points, but put in with such a tone of arrogance as to force one to come away with a bad taste in their mouths after reading it. Don't want to take lower toons through the factory? THEN DON'T! No need to kill them off, assume they are all actually new players with their heads in their rears, or force them to basically follow you around and stand there unless you allow them to work a gag because you need to work something. Just ******** go to a dead server and let the rest of us play in peace!

It really doesn't take that much longer to just sound enough to kill 2 of the 3 in each group and let the lower toon get in a hit does it? Time to get off that high horse a little, so to speak

I'm a Holly 32, so what? Does that mean I can dictate how others can/should play? By no means is this true. You Hollys on a mission to ruin SHQ do not own this zone! This is not here just for you to frolic around in. This is here for everyone. You have a right to not play with them, but how dare you suggest you have the right to tell them how to play if they do need to be there.

This is why I wish Disney would just make a server for maxed toons only. A whole server including TTC even where no toon who has not completed all tasks in DDL AND was fully maxed in all 6 tracks could go. This would solve a lot of problems. Those of you who are not into helping could go off on your own. The rest of us could go there to fish in peace if we wish.

Why can't this just be a game? A place to have fun and meet people? Relax a bit and try decaf!

I love how some holier than thou toons put words into other's mouths. Nowhere in my original post is the word "rule" yet Weird Stubby's response suggests I issued an edict. I clearly prefaced my post with the statement that I was MERELY MAKING SUGGESTIONS.

As for you Wiz...get over yourself. Nowhere did I say that I was "dictating" how others play. See the dictionary if you are unsure of the meaning of the word "SUGGESTION".

If you actually take a few minutes to read my post again you'll see I was offering SUGGESTIONS for how noobs can make the most of the opportunity to hitch a ride with high laffers. I'll type it slower for you....S-U-G-G-E-S-T-I-O-N-S.

For those of us making 10 full factory runs to get the 5500 merit points, the difference between sounding the way through the factory and doing a lure/knockback/kill run all the way through is significant. I'm sure a lot of us have limited time periods to play. Also...a noob should understand going in that a group of Mr. Hollywoods are probably looking to get through a merit run as quickly as possible and they've long since max'd sound, throw and squirt and don't need the skill points. If they don't like it they don't have to get into an elevator full of high laffers.

Your comment about me being an elitest tune is a riot. You're about as snobbish as they come. Reading a sampling of your posts suggests you think you're the only one entitled to have or voice an opinion. Maybe I'll start running my posts by you first for your approval.