Some factory advice for noobs

[WizardHawk]

Originally Posted by Yellow Horse

I love how some holier than thou toons put words into other's mouths. Nowhere in my original post is the word "rule" yet Weird Stubby's response suggests I issued an edict. I clearly prefaced my post with the statement that I was MERELY MAKING SUGGESTIONS.

As for you Wiz...get over yourself. Nowhere did I say that I was "dictating" how others play. See the dictionary if you are unsure of the meaning of the word "SUGGESTION".

If you actually take a few minutes to read my post again you'll see I was offering SUGGESTIONS for how noobs can make the most of the opportunity to hitch a ride with high laffers. I'll type it slower for you....S-U-G-G-E-S-T-I-O-N-S.

For those of us making 10 full factory runs to get the 5500 merit points, the difference between sounding the way through the factory and doing a lure/knockback/kill run all the way through is significant. I'm sure a lot of us have limited time periods to play. Also...a noob should understand going in that a group of Mr. Hollywoods are probably looking to get through a merit run as quickly as possible and they've long since max'd sound, throw and squirt and don't need the skill points. If they don't like it they don't have to get into an elevator full of high laffers.

Your comment about me being an elitest tune is a riot. You're about as snobbish as they come. Reading a sampling of your posts suggests you think you're the only one entitled to have or voice an opinion. Maybe I'll start running my posts by you first for your approval.

Dude, you have the gall to talk down to me and suggest I read the dictionary.

You started your first post by saying 'suggestion' and that seems to give you the impression that anything said after that is ok because of it. It is the equivalent of saying "I'm not trying to diss your mama, but she is as ugly as can be!". Your qualifier does not match the tone of your message and is thus null and void. Your message is full of condescending rhetoric and an attacking tone. These are not the words used by someone trying to offer friendly advice. Get a clue my friend.

Your comment about me being an elitest tune is a riot. You're about as snobbish as they come. Reading a sampling of your posts suggests you think you're the only one entitled to have or voice an opinion. Maybe I'll start running my posts by you first for your approval.

Put up, or shut up. Show me where I am ‘snobbish’ or crawl back under your rock. I have said over and over that everyone in this game is free to play their own way. How is that snobby? I said your tone is overboard even if parts of your message are valid. How is that snobby? You sit there and ‘suggest’ that other toons are not allowed to work their gags unless you are as well and if you are working them, those lower toons had better help you and you don’t see this as an elitist tone? Perhaps it is you that should spend some time in front of Webster’s for some brush-up work.

[FTiodor]

[quote=WizardHawk]

It really doesn't take that much longer to just sound enough to kill 2 of the 3 in each group and let the lower toon get in a hit does it? Time to get off that high horse a little, so to speak

Wizardhawk, that is his rule for taking low laffers in. His way of thinking is not the same as yours or mine, but that his right to tell others what he is willing and not willing to accept. He could decide not to take any, but he is giving them a choice. Just as much as he can go to another server, so can the low laffer. The low laffer can also choose not to go in with him. Your comment about his statement in regards to suggestions being void is laffable. e I have read in here time and time again where you say, " everyone has the right to play the way they wish, " and then criticize them for their style. You can't have it both ways either.

It amazes me how often toons here always use the " high laffer go to another server " comment like the low laffers can't do the same thing. When in the VP, High laffers go to another server. In the factory, high laffers go to another server. It is sickening.

Also high laffers want to use only one gag to kill the cogs to save time. Your suggestion would almost double the time believe it or not. If some like yourself don't mind using 2 different gags that is your thing, don't try to make it sound like they ( high laffers ) are doing something wrong if that is how they want to play. As long as he is paying his bills, he can decide who goes with him. And as long as the low laffer needs his gags and laff to make it through, ( it may not be polite granted ) he needs to follow his rules or tp out. Do I agree with it, not necessarily, but he is holding the cards in there with them ( low laffers ). Noobs, do what you got to do to survive when your with him. WizardHawk stop the elitest high toon hate. Even elitest toons pay their bills, and not everyone plays toontown to do social work and babysit.

You and Fluffy attack any thread that you guys consider to be not it the noobs best interest. Well not everything will be in the high laffers or low laffers best interests, thats life.


fancyfrank

[FTiodor]

Originally Posted by Fluffy Frecklefoot

Good points all. YH couldn't take advantage of such a server because he hasn't maxxed his drop though.

This is just another thinly disguised noob hater thread. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to help noobs but if you feel that way, why get on the elevator with them in the first place?

Nice of you to be able to read his mind flluffy. I think before you portray someone in a bad light, you might want to ask clarifying questions first.

fancyfrank

[WizardHawk]

Originally Posted by FTiodor

Wizardhawk, that is his rule for taking low laffers in. His way of thinking is not the same as yours or mine, but that his right to tell others what he is willing and not willing to accept. He could decide not to take any, but he is giving them a choice. Just as much as he can go to another server, so can the low laffer. The low laffer can also choose not to go in with him.

It amazes me how often toons here always use the " high laffer go to another server " comment like the low laffers can't do the same thing. When in the VP, High laffers go to another server. In the factory, high laffers go to another server. It is sickening.

Also high laffers want to use only one gag to kill the cogs to save time. Your suggestion would almost double the time believe it or not. If some like yourself don't mind using 2 different gags that is your thing, don't try to make it sound like they ( high laffers ) are doing something wrong if that is how they want to play. As long as he is paying his bills, he can decide who goes with him. And as long as the low laffer needs his gags and laff to make it through, ( it may not be polite granted ) he needs to follow his rules or tp out. Do I agree with it, not necessarily, but he is holding the cards in there with them ( low laffers ). Noobs, do what you got to do to survive when your with him. WizardHawk stop the elitest high toon hate. Even elitest toons pay their bills, and not everyone plays toontown to do social work and babysit.


fancyfrank

I said he is free to just not go, I have said over and over anyone is free to play there way, so what gives?

but that his right to tell others what he is willing and not willing to accept

everyone wants to talk about rights as though you have them, and anyone else using the same ones is out of line. He is free to talk about whatever he wants, and I am free to respond and give my opinion as well. Why is this so hard for everyone to understand? I get this "Do I have to run my opinion past you" junk from several on here when I am doing the very same thing they are. I guess I'm not free to express my opinion when you all are...

The real problem is his target audience is not going to see it. He wants to tell toons how to play if they are with him but none (or very few) of the new players come up here. How are toons supposed to know which are the nice ones, and which are the demanding toons?

It amazes me how often toons here always use the " high laffer go to another server " comment like the low laffers can't do the same thing. When in the VP, High laffers go to another server. In the factory, high laffers go to another server. It is sickening.

First off 'always' is not accurate. Second, I was saying if playing with lower toons is such a drag, he is free to avoid them all together. If you look at #6 of his points, his angle is that the other toons in his party have enough gags to take it out without the lower toon even being there. This means they could just go to a dead server and avoid the mess in the first place. Your comment about 'low laffers can't do the same thing' does not make sence AT ALL at the factory. Are you suggesting that every little toon should bail from the two or three overcrouded servers and start looking for help on the dead ones? That is nothing close to logical. They go to the busy places to improve the chance of finding other toons. Most of us are smart enough to avoid those servers if we do not want any of them along. I'd prefer the lower toons stay where the rest of us know they exist. The battle over who should change servers is in the VP run bro, not the factory. Clearly the little guys are going to be on those servers and we all have to deal with that.

If you are really that 'sick' over this part of it, please explain how you expect lower toons to go to a different server at the factory? I'm lost as to how you would expect this to work...

Oh and it does not double the time to let a lower toon finish off some of the rounds. First, you don't have to let them have EVERY round. Second, when you do, it does not add as much time as you imply. Just trying to get them to keep up costs much more time.

Look, I get annoyed at lower toons just as much as some of you do. Did you read the thread on my bad night in the factory? I'm just beside myself by reading a rather sharp toned post by someone listed as a holly 12! This guy hasn't even completed one full rotation at 5500 merits yet and he is sounding like he has 'been there, and done that' over and over. At least you frank have been to the places you are talking about. I have much more respect for your position because of it. My wife is a holly 13 and I know the cake-walk she had to get there compared to what those above holly 20 have faced. He really isn't that far removed from the lower suit ranks himself AND he isn't even fully maxed in his gags yet. He talks about how lower toons should not work gags in the factory, but in the same post he tells them they should help any high laff toon if they are still working gags. Do you not see the hypocrisy in this?

He gave his opinion, and I gave mine. Will someone tell me why I'm out of line where everyone else isn't?

[Bunny Summers]

Originally Posted by Yellow Horse

1. Show up at the elevator fully healthy.

2. Show up at the elevator fully gagged.

Always nice, but I would rather suggest to having at least an ALMOST full gag meter & ALWAYS have all your gags. I met a 30ish laffer who's main purpose obviously was to mooch. Why do I know this? She was standing behind watching us play & looking at her gags (she had NONE). But if you want to go in there with 5 laff points intact well it'll be funny to see if you do or don't get hit with the first goon you see (I've seen a 15 laffer go in with 5 laff points & POOF! got hit by the first goon. LOL. Oh well) . I don't care if you do or don't have full laff meter personally. LOL. But I do hope you got your gags & been a little prepared.

Originally Posted by Yellow Horse

3. Announce the toontask you are working on so that the high laffers understand you won't necessarily be the 40 laffer causing grief at the VP elevator tomorrow.

Nice, but not always neccesary. If I'm playing a high laffer & a low laffer just jumps in, they need to expect that the high laffer calls the shots....this means if you announce that you need Mr. Hollywoods for LOM...well, if the high laffer needs merits, run with them. Do what you can.

Originally Posted by Yellow Horse

4. Once in the factory...SHUT UP. The last thing 3 Mr. Hollywoods need is advice from a 50 laffer on what gags to use.

No, the last thing ANYONE needs is a bossy toon. This is for high laffers & low laffers alike. I've run across BOTH. But I don't agree that you should shut up. If I see some high laffer doing something stupid (which believe me...high laffs doesn't always mean experienced), you bet I'll suggest away. I've had to say "Are you new here?" to a couple of toons. LOL

Originally Posted by Yellow Horse

5. Don't bother asking for the group to go the lava room or paint mixer. We high laffers don't need the TU feather or jelly beans. If you want to go shopping then come into the factory with a group of other noobs.

LOL...I am Lava & Paint Mixer room challenged. I'll run around the other way if someone really wants to go in them or I'll wait. You won't catch me running in there whether I'm playing my high or low laffers.

Originally Posted by Yellow Horse

6. Don't whine if we high laffers elephant call and foghorn our way through the factory. A single round of fighting per group of cogs makes for a much faster run. After hundreds of factory runs, please forgive us high laffers if we don't care that you are trying to upgrade your seltzer bottle. That's what buildings are for.

I personally agree with this. The factory is NO place to work lower gags. Get in what you can, of course & high laffers should TRY to do their part & let them get a gag in when they can. When I'm playing a lower toon like Smelly Cat, I'm more than happy to sit back & toon while the others use their foghorns or heck, even lure them once in awhile while they use their sound gags. I'll get my gags in one way or another but I don't rely on the factory to get more points. Simply...I do believe that the factory & the VP are NOT the place to be leveling up gags. But if I'm playing Bunny Summers, I will use a lower level gag just to let them get a little gag experience in there. I mean, WHY not? Not like I need the gag experience myself on Bunny Summers. LOL

Originally Posted by Yellow Horse

7. Don't try to boss the group around. Once on the east silo I was running towards the door and a 50 something whispered to me to step on the switch. Duh. I was happy to see that tune go sad in the foreman battle.

That's too funny! Hahaha! I do wish they had that phrase "Duh!" but I often resort to "Are you new here?" and when they say "No", I"ll say "Yeah!" "Me too!"

Originally Posted by Yellow Horse

8. If you notice that a high laffer is working a gag, help. Your seltzer bottle is of no use in the factory, but if I'm working my drop gags, you're an instant friend if you stun a cog for me.

This should be for EVERYONE, not just low laffers. If you see someone else is working drop, use squirt for them. Niceness shouldn't be solely upon a low toons shoulders. If I'm playing Smelly Cat & I see someone wants to drop, you bet I'll use squirt. But the same goes if I'm playing with Bunny Summers & I see you want to use drop. I'll pull out a squirt gag just the same.

Originally Posted by Yellow Horse

9. Play smart.

Again, hopefully EVERYONE will do this. Doesn't just pertain to low laffers.

Originally Posted by Yellow Horse

10. Join the battle. If you try to freeload by standing off to the side and then join the group at the end I guarantee the others will find a way to make you go sad.

Not a good move for low laffers in a couple of situations. A low laffer should ALWAYS let a high laffer engage the cogs first to keep from being trapped. The bottom line though shouldn't be to stand in the sidelines. I will not help you if you don't help me. END OF STORY. I don't care if you throw a *******' cupcake...do your part! But I have told a low laffer to "Wait here" if they're really low on laff points & they were helpful in the factory....but this is only in the Warehouse so they don't get hit by goons.

Originally Posted by Yellow Horse

11. If you are worried about being left high and dry in the foreman battle, do NOT be the first to enter the room. Also...do NOT be the only toon to use an offensive gag or you will be the target of the cog's attacks.

A great situation where PASSING is good! IF you're the only one who is hitting the cog, PASS while the others toon or lure. Then work together in defeating the cogs. Your cream pie slice won't take out a level 8 by itself, but a cream pie slice & another toon's whole cream pie will! So wait a bit, pass, & then work with a higher level toon's other gags.

Originally Posted by Yellow Horse

12. Do NOT be the one stepping on the switch after the 2nd silo battle. I was in the factory a few weeks ago with a freeloader 30 laffer who didn't join in any battles. He stood by the east silo door during the second silo fight to be the one to step on the switch. As soon as he went in I whispered to the others to hurry. We immediately entered the center silo and foghorned the group before the leech could get there. He entered to see the three of us dancing. Very satisfying.

#11 & #12 are kind of contridictory. Stepping on the switch isn't bad, but you should follow the other rule...always let the higher toons engage first. Follow their lead. They're the ones getting you through. The only bad thing the toon in your scenario did was WAIT after he/she pushed the switch. Right after battle, hit the switch & start running toward the center silo. USUALLY they can't make it to select a gag quick enough when they first enter the Center silo. They're always lining up & selecting. The only reason #12 would be true is if you're a freeloader, in which case you're giving freeloaders advice. LOL. Frankly, a freeloader probably wouldn't make it with me to the Center Silo unless he/she started participating.

Originally Posted by Yellow Horse

13. You're welcome to join us and most of us are happy to help, but remember that any of the 100+ laffers could probably solo the factory. You need us more than we need you. Act accordingly if you want to be dancing at the foreman's funeral.

I've got nothing really to add to #13. Again, I would hope that everyone follow this suggestion.

[gcbbouncer]

It's funny how we adults took a childs game made by disney for children and turned it into this classed based i'm better then u and u stink cause you have no lps game .. I mean originally toontown was made for our children but some how us adults took over and forgot that..maybe us hollys and cold callers and telemarketers oh wait us adults should have fun like are children try to do on here and stop worring about laugh points and gags and just enjoy playing with our children because that noob maybe some1's 5 year old. or that holly 50 maybe a 13 year old.. or it maybe a 33 year old wanting to have some fun, some friends and her mountain dew..Enjoy the game so u die...ain't like mario were u start back in tt with nothing..just gag it and whack them cogs again..most of all remember to have fun and enjoy all the kids..if it wasn't for them disney wouldn't have made tt..i thank my daughter for finding this site because i can have fun with it too..no matter whom i'm playing with..Have fun and crush them cogs...

[Fluffy Frecklefoot]

Originally Posted by FTiodor

Nice of you to be able to read his mind flluffy. I think before you portray someone in a bad light, you might want to ask clarifying questions first.

fancyfrank

I don't see that any clarification is necessary. The basic message is quite clear:

feel free to tag along if you...

shut up
don't expect to use any gags if we don't want you to
oh, but help us work our gags
if you annoy us we'll make you go sad

Maybe Yellow Horse does actually speak for a great many high laffers, but he doesn't speak for me. I've been lucky, I guess, and haven't been in a "it's them or us" position nor have I ever met a toon who absolutely refused to help. I'm sure they're out there and when I meet one I guess it'll be up to me how to respond. In the meantime, however, I will continue to help newer toons work their gags and complete their tasks. I don't see how that's doing any harm, do you? I do think that the intolerant tone expressed in this thread is not especially helpful but everyone has a right to their opinion. If you or anyone else doesn't want to go out of their way to help newer toons that's your right but it's also my right to help them and to believe that helping them whenever possible is appropriate, even if they are annoying at times.

[Yellow Horse]

Originally Posted by FTiodor

Wizardhawk, that is his rule for taking low laffers in. His way of thinking is not the same as yours or mine, but that his right to tell others what he is willing and not willing to accept. He could decide not to take any, but he is giving them a choice. Just as much as he can go to another server, so can the low laffer. The low laffer can also choose not to go in with him. Your comment about his statement in regards to suggestions being void is laffable. e I have read in here time and time again where you say, " everyone has the right to play the way they wish, " and then criticize them for their style. You can't have it both ways either.

It amazes me how often toons here always use the " high laffer go to another server " comment like the low laffers can't do the same thing. When in the VP, High laffers go to another server. In the factory, high laffers go to another server. It is sickening.

Also high laffers want to use only one gag to kill the cogs to save time. Your suggestion would almost double the time believe it or not. If some like yourself don't mind using 2 different gags that is your thing, don't try to make it sound like they ( high laffers ) are doing something wrong if that is how they want to play. As long as he is paying his bills, he can decide who goes with him. And as long as the low laffer needs his gags and laff to make it through, ( it may not be polite granted ) he needs to follow his rules or tp out. Do I agree with it, not necessarily, but he is holding the cards in there with them ( low laffers ). Noobs, do what you got to do to survive when your with him. WizardHawk stop the elitest high toon hate. Even elitest toons pay their bills, and not everyone plays toontown to do social work and babysit.

You and Fluffy attack any thread that you guys consider to be not it the noobs best interest. Well not everything will be in the high laffers or low laffers best interests, thats life.


fancyfrank

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Thanks FancyFrank. It's amazing how quickly some people love to take people to task for things not said. This whole topic has been hilarious. I started by clearly stating that I was offering suggestions. I'm not a Disney developer....I can't change the programming...I have no power to force anyone to do anything...and yet from reading the responses one would think I had issued an edict from on high. What a hoot!!

What was particularly ironic were the responses from people who assumed I was making rules and issuing orders to others...blasted me for doing so...and then told me how I should play (go to a dead server etc). LOL!!!

I started the topic after reading a whine from a noob about some mean high laffers who made her go sad for no apparent reason. Well there are lots of reasons which may not be obvious to a noob and I tried to list them to give them some insight from a high laffer's perspective. Maybe there are only a privileged few who are allowed to offer SUGGESTIONS and advice to the LP impaired.

The bottom line is this, if a noob gets on an elevator with a group of high laffers...

1. He's lucky to be getting an easy trip through the factory
2. His objectives (skill points, working gags, lava room goodies etc) probably won't be the same as the high laffers
3. As the oddball of the group (is that PC?) he will either need to conform to how the majority is playing and to their objectives (merit run, fast run, working gags etc) or have a miserable time. That's true for all of us. Occasionally I get a ride with 3 other high laffers thinking we'll sound gag our way through, only to see that I'm playing with a group working lure/trap combos. Oh well...that's life. I do what I can to work my own gags and conform.
4. He has to understand that the high laffers can make him go sad if he acts like a jerk

We all have the choice to whether get on an elevator, but it cuts both ways. High laffers don't have to do factory runs with noobs and noobs don't have to do them with high laffers. The noobs can go elsewhere if they choose as easily as the high laffers. The twist is that noobs need high laffers but that's not true the other way around. From viewing some factory elevator shuffles it's obvious some noobs don't like going with other noobs anymore than some high laffers do. I even saw the hilarious sight the other day of a 60 something telling a 40 something that it was too risky for them!!!

If a noob wants an easy disguise piece then I SUGGEST (v. to offer for consideration or action; propose) they be prepared to go with the flow.

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[FTiodor]

Originally Posted by Bunny Summers

Always nice, but I would rather suggest to having at least an ALMOST full gag meter & ALWAYS have all your gags. I met a 30ish laffer who's main purpose obviously was to mooch. Why do I know this? She was standing behind watching us play & looking at her gags (she had NONE). But if you want to go in there with 5 laff points intact well it'll be funny to see if you do or don't get hit with the first goon you see (I've seen a 15 laffer go in with 5 laff points & POOF! got hit by the first goon. LOL. Oh well) . I don't care if you do or don't have full laff meter personally. LOL. But I do hope you got your gags & been a little prepared.

Nice, but not always neccesary. If I'm playing a high laffer & a low laffer just jumps in, they need to expect that the high laffer calls the shots....this means if you announce that you need Mr. Hollywoods for LOM...well, if the high laffer needs merits, run with them. Do what you can.

No, the last thing ANYONE needs is a bossy toon. This is for high laffers & low laffers alike. I've run across BOTH. But I don't agree that you should shut up. If I see some high laffer doing something stupid (which believe me...high laffs doesn't always mean experienced), you bet I'll suggest away. I've had to say "Are you new here?" to a couple of toons. LOL

LOL...I am Lava & Paint Mixer room challenged. I'll run around the other way if someone really wants to go in them or I'll wait. You won't catch me running in there whether I'm playing my high or low laffers.

I personally agree with this. The factory is NO place to work lower gags. Get in what you can, of course & high laffers should TRY to do their part & let them get a gag in when they can. When I'm playing a lower toon like Smelly Cat, I'm more than happy to sit back & toon while the others use their foghorns or heck, even lure them once in awhile while they use their sound gags. I'll get my gags in one way or another but I don't rely on the factory to get more points. Simply...I do believe that the factory & the VP are NOT the place to be leveling up gags. But if I'm playing Bunny Summers, I will use a lower level gag just to let them get a little gag experience in there. I mean, WHY not? Not like I need the gag experience myself on Bunny Summers. LOL

That's too funny! Hahaha! I do wish they had that phrase "Duh!" but I often resort to "Are you new here?" and when they say "No", I"ll say "Yeah!" "Me too!"

This should be for EVERYONE, not just low laffers. If you see someone else is working drop, use squirt for them. Niceness shouldn't be solely upon a low toons shoulders. If I'm playing Smelly Cat & I see someone wants to drop, you bet I'll use squirt. But the same goes if I'm playing with Bunny Summers & I see you want to use drop. I'll pull out a squirt gag just the same.

Again, hopefully EVERYONE will do this. Doesn't just pertain to low laffers.

Not a good move for low laffers in a couple of situations. A low laffer should ALWAYS let a high laffer engage the cogs first to keep from being trapped. The bottom line though shouldn't be to stand in the sidelines. I will not help you if you don't help me. END OF STORY. I don't care if you throw a *******' cupcake...do your part! But I have told a low laffer to "Wait here" if they're really low on laff points & they were helpful in the factory....but this is only in the Warehouse so they don't get hit by goons.

A great situation where PASSING is good! IF you're the only one who is hitting the cog, PASS while the others toon or lure. Then work together in defeating the cogs. Your cream pie slice won't take out a level 8 by itself, but a cream pie slice & another toon's whole cream pie will! So wait a bit, pass, & then work with a higher level toon's other gags.

#11 & #12 are kind of contridictory. Stepping on the switch isn't bad, but you should follow the other rule...always let the higher toons engage first. Follow their lead. They're the ones getting you through. The only bad thing the toon in your scenario did was WAIT after he/she pushed the switch. Right after battle, hit the switch & start running toward the center silo. USUALLY they can't make it to select a gag quick enough when they first enter the Center silo. They're always lining up & selecting. The only reason #12 would be true is if you're a freeloader, in which case you're giving freeloaders advice. LOL. Frankly, a freeloader probably wouldn't make it with me to the Center Silo unless he/she started participating.

I've got nothing really to add to #13. Again, I would hope that everyone follow this suggestion.

Bunny, I always enjoy your posts. And i couldn't agree more.


fancyfrank

[UMT]

I snipped out the dribble

Originally Posted by Yellow Horse

Before I get blasted from those who will say that every tune has a right to play however they want, the suggestions below are simply that...suggestions.

2. Show up at the elevator fully gagged.

3. Announce the toontask you are working on so that the high laffers understand you won't necessarily be the 40 laffer causing grief at the VP elevator tomorrow.

9. Play smart.


Captain Chunky Crunchycrumbs
104 LP
Mr Hollywood level 12
42/50/Gold (need the All-Star, Old King Crab, Full/Crescent/??? Moon,Grizzley, Grand and Baby Grand)
TU lvl 6
Lure lvl 6
Trap never
Sound max'd
Throw max'd
Squirt max'd
Drop lvl 5

I don't personally care how many runs you need to make through the factory. That's not my issue.

So what if someone shows up with less than full health. Don't you know how to choose TU. Would it really be so bad? Is one click of your mouse that hard for you?

Let me sum up the rest of your post real easy.

GO TO EMPTY or CLOSE TO EMPTY DISTRICS!!!!!!!!

If you show up in a busy district, then your at the mercy of the group you are with. If it's you and two S/F's and someone you don't know, then you should allow them to play with you. Just because your in a rush doesn't mean that everyone else is. Some of us have a life outside TT that doesn't provide us with 30+ game hours a week. Some of us play for fun.

Your a prime example of a Mr. Hollywood Snob. This game isn't about you.

OMG, I just looked at your stats! Your haven't even maxed all your gags yet. You have got to be one of the weakest Mr. Hollywoods around.

You have abviously ridden the coat tails of others. Now you have the nerve to talk about people who are doing the same thing that you did.

Give me a break.

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(flush)

(watches the thread go down the toilet)


I kinda enjoyed a few posts in it though, including Bunny's most recent post.

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"Do I have to run my opinion past you" junk from several on here when I am doing the very same thing they are. I guess I'm not free to express my opinion when you all are...

Wizard you know that I respect your opinions, and I would respect them more ( not that my opinion means anything ) if you just took a firm stand for what you believe. I personally will respect your views as being different, and not necessarily wrong, because alot of these situations can be done differently from opposite views. When you say that everyone has the right to play.... and then you criticize them for playing their playing style, that is not fair. I would like you to say, I do not agree and/or you are wrong to...

The real problem is his target audience is not going to see it. He wants to tell toons how to play if they are with him but none (or very few) of the new players come up here.

This is the same problem we all have when we post similar things. You and I and many others continue to post to a minority.

Are you suggesting that every little toon should bail from the two or three overcrouded servers and start looking for help on the dead ones?

We both know that they are more likely to find help in a crowded district. I think bunny said it best when she agreed on principal that since the low laffers need the high laffers they should act accordingly. I just don't like the statements that always seem to tell high laffers to move on. ( yes I am using the word always ) When you make those statements it gives the impression the the crowded districts belong to the noobs and they don't, they belong to both. I have often needed merit run help and had to go to those districts. We both know of toons who have dedicated friends that they do long runs with. Some of us don't have that luxury and unfortunatly need to find help in those districts just like noobs do.

The battle over who should change servers is in the VP run bro, not the factory

Nobody should have to change servers, that is the point. Neither has the right to push the other away or suggest it.

If you are really that 'sick' over this part of it, please explain how you expect lower toons to go to a different server at the factory?

It would not be logical to expect them to go to a dead server, but it would be logical to expect that they realize that if they want the keys to minglers and to defeat cog factories, they don't bite the hand that feeds them.

it does not double the time to let a lower toon finish off some of the rounds.

Lets not get stuck here on how much more time it takes, because every time will be different. The plain fact is, speaking for myself, I don't want to take that extra time what ever it is. That is not a strike on low laffers because I have refused to go with 100+ laffers that did not have sound. I want to get my 5500 merits as fast as possible, and even if a high laffers slows me down either by luring, or not having sound, I will politely make sure they are tooned up and TP out. Nothing personal about it.

This guy hasn't even completed one full rotation at 5500 merits yet and he is sounding like he has 'been there, and done that' over and over.

I did not pick up on his stats, and I agree with this

He talks about how lower toons should not work gags in the factory, but in the same post he tells them they should help any high laff toon if they are still working gags. Do you not see the hypocrisy in this?

Personally, I don't think that the VP of Factory is the place to work gags at all regardless of your laff level! (If you want to do that go find a building guys )The exception is if the situation calls for a certain gag like toonup, and you are working on it, then by all means use it. We should be complimenting each other and working towards teamwork in these areas, all the while using selflessness in the process. We have both been with toons who are working say drop, and choose that gag every time no matter what the circumstances are.

He gave his opinion, and I gave mine. Will someone tell me why I'm out of line where everyone else isn't?

Our disagreement stems from your wording...I think everyone has the right to play as they wish. To me that means that if you agree that they have the right to... then don't jump on them for doing what you say they have a right to do. If your position is, they may have the right to, but it is wrong, then just say that you don't agree with that idea or course of action.

You always give me a good debate wizardhawk, and I know you will respond.


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