Challange: Calling all old school high toons

[WizardHawk]

A few of us tried to go in with some low toons this afternoon. There was a 35 AND a 38 on the inside. The probelm was not that no one would go up with them, it was that there were 5 in our group and no matter what we did, at least one was left off so we bailed and went to another server. I really wish we would have had the chance to go with them. We wound up going with 3 first timers though and that made it more interesting, but not really any more challenging. We lost one of the new people (83) because he didn't jump well enough and wouldn't stand still for us to hit him with pies. Other than that, we all made it out just fine. One of the newbies used 2 of her TnT's and all of her fog horns in the first round. It is things like that that make it a little more interesting but still not very dangerous.

The point is that there were plenty ready to go in with the 30 somethings. Yes there were a few whispering to me to wait a min and hold back. They waited at the base of the stairs but it was only two out of about 7 high level toons in the room. I'll take 7-2 for helping out little toons any day. Hope this is the start of a new trend.

[VonZoobleBocker]

OMG falling off my chair laughing

[Lady Bumblebee]

the vp battle that wizardhawk referred to ... i have to tell you alitte insite on these friends of mine... on is Nobaddy special the other is his son William...when i tell you, they have been working very hard on Williams toons. He wanted more then anyone ive talked to, to fight the vp battle.. i know for a fact that 2 weeks ago his toon only had 50+ lp.. they worked very hard to get these toons up(so they could fight) the one thing that can not be taught in bld is the jumping... he unfortunately did not jump and did not make it... me knowing how bad he wanted it... i felt horrible for him( i know we have all had this problem in the begining) but explain that to a kid... who wanted to win so bad.. im sure **** win next time... i just hope im there to see it. it is very exciting to see these kids give it there all... and i love this kind of challenge.. i can wait to be Mr Hollywood... too many merits for me... just alittle insite... probably mean nothing to anyone buy me....

[Bunny Summers]

Originally posted by WizardHawk
This being the case I challange all of you to stop excluding toons under 90 and see how many/how low of a toon you can take in and still keep alive to the end.

If you are really that good, it should be no challange at all to take just one 40 or 50 and keep them alive to the end. I will proxy my crew and see if we can take two or three and try to keep them all alive. Is your crew better? Can you take 4 under 80? Maybe 4 under 70? Just how good are you?

It is time to stop fighting over why you can't stand smaller toons sitting in the VP area as there is no valid reason to not take them anymore. The VP battles seem too easy now that it has been debugged a little more so there is no valid reason to not start taking smaller toons along for the ride! Even if they do unlure some 12's you can just use the same language you do when you take 50's or 60's into a 5 story in DL

Originally posted by WizardHawk
When you take a mid/low laffer in to show them the routine, not all of them will go sad at the warehouse every time. There are plenty of 35-70's with full suits to attest to that. My way almost assures they can't make it, yours still gives them a chance AND because a max toon was willing to take them in the first place, it gives them hope to try again. Again, I try to nicely ask them not to join in a run in the factory. Anything we can do to keep them on their normal toon task course helps them, and the max toons at the same time. There are plenty of max toons finishing up the HQ area now and they will be able to go back to helping their friends (and hopefully the newbies too!) as there is nothing else to do until the next HQ comes out. Like I said, I ask my lowbie friends what toon task they are working on and take them to it when they try and TP into the HQ area. It is in their best interest not to get into the battles with the high toons.

You cannot stop all of the little toons from trying, but every single one that you can HELP by keeing them in their own area does them a favor and helps out the big toons at the same time.

Boy, did you do a 180 on me! LOL. Seriously though, I'm just giving you a hard time. Good luck with your project.

[Mac]

does this count ?

Skitzow: 25 laf Toon Defeats VP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[C. Clyde]

Thanks for all that your doing for the 80- LP Toons, WizardHawk. I personally have had lots of experience with the VP, but do to some accidents like forgetting to jump and not getting off during the last seconds of the elevator shuffle have prevented me from being promoted.

May I ask what district this challenge mostly pertains to? I have barely seen any helpfull 95+ toons yet.

[Loosy Goosy]

With this challenge, you're EITHER coming out of the elitist
closet, admitting that previously you wouldn't dream of taking a
low laffer in a VP run with you—OR that or you think
everyone else thinks of themselves as elitists, making yourself
an elitist in the fact that you are somehow better by not having
a prejudice toward low-mid laffers. Either way, the fact that this
challenge exists reeks of elitism.

I'll up your challenge by suggesting this: simply join a group in
the lift without even ONCE clicking on their character to check
their stats. You'll actually have fun WITHOUT concerning yourself
with the odds of winning or losing. During the marathon I did this
6 times, won 3 times, lost 3 times, had fun every time.

Just have fun gang. The game is currently designed without
limits, so your fun shouldn't be limited as well.

[WizardHawk]

Originally posted by Loosy Goosy
With this challenge, you're EITHER coming out of the elitist
closet, admitting that previously you wouldn't dream of taking a
low laffer in a VP run with you—OR that or you think
everyone else thinks of themselves as elitists, making yourself
an elitist in the fact that you are somehow better by not having
a prejudice toward low-mid laffers. Either way, the fact that this
challenge exists reeks of elitism.

I'll up your challenge by suggesting this: simply join a group in
the lift without even ONCE clicking on their character to check
their stats. You'll actually have fun WITHOUT concerning yourself
with the odds of winning or losing. During the marathon I did this
6 times, won 3 times, lost 3 times, had fun every time.

Just have fun gang. The game is currently designed without
limits, so your fun shouldn't be limited as well.

Hmm, again I say interesting comments from one who is often referred to as arrogant and an elitist. Have I changed my mind? Well kind of, but not really. I have already explained why I went along with the concept of taking mostly maxed, 100+ toons during the first weeks of the HQ. I’ll explain it again, perhaps this time you will actually read what I post before making comments on it. The first release of this area was plagued with bugs, the worst of which caused some members of your party to crash pretty much every run. It seemed logical to limit who you went with to mostly experienced, maxed toons if you could find 7 of them. You will not find a comment from me anywhere in which I stated that little toons don’t belong there or are otherwise ‘unworthy’ of the attempt of going to the VP. I stated that they should wait until the bugs are worked out. The only other comments you may find on this topic (bunny will be quick to point out I’m sure) is that if you are not going to allow the little toons to go to the VP, you should not make a bad problem worse by helping them to get their suit parts in the first place. This is not a contradiction to what I’m now trying to do. The bugs are indeed worked out and it is much safer to take random toons, newbies, noobs, and medium/low toons as we now have a more stable battle ground. Calling me an elitist is absolutely laughable at best, and shows a clear lack of understanding of EVERY post I have had on this board. I state every chance I can get that I help lower toons all the time. I help strangers both on the street, and in buildings just for something to do. I have people on my friends list that range from 25 – 100+ with several in the 25-60 range. Do you help out toons like that?

"With this challenge, you're EITHER coming out of the elitist
closet, admitting that previously you wouldn't dream of taking a
low laffer in a VP run with you—OR that or you think
everyone else thinks of themselves as elitists, making yourself
an elitist in the fact that you are somehow better by not having
a prejudice toward low-mid laffers. Either way, the fact that this
challenge exists reeks of elitism.”

Point A has now been addressed. I find it ironic that you state only two possibilities, both of which you claim make me some sort of elitist when that is all I hear about who you are. On your second point, I have stated (once again, if you had actually read anything, we wouldn’t be here now) that the purpose of this ‘challenge’ is not so much a literal one, but a symbolic one meant to help SOME higher toons to rethink their position. I do not believe that ALL, or even MOST high toons are unwilling to take the risk of helping new, and or, lower toons. I think that there has been a lot of bad blood in the posts that I have read up here in the first few weeks of this new area and I want to help change that mentality that would have some stating that lower toons just should not be allowed into this area (including some comments from yourself in that direction!). I am by no means better than anyone else for my views or playing style. This is a message board. The purpose if for gamers to have a place to talk about, and maybe learn something about, their game. Apparently, you are the only person who can ask questions that make people think without having it be caused from some sort of superiority complex. Perhaps you should look in the mirror a little before passing judgment on others.

So now, both of your points are spiraling down in flames.

“Just have fun gang. The game is currently designed without
limits, so your fun shouldn't be limited as well.”

Didn’t you suggest a design change that would impose limits by making is so that you can only enter a cog HQ zone after completing certain levels of the game? So our fun shouldn’t be limited, unless you had your way in which only higher toons were allowed to explore new game areas. Now who is the elitist? ;-)

Again, this is just a game to me and this forum an interesting resource for it. I take none of it (nor any comments from people here) personally or very seriously. I’ll not be going home to beat my dog over someone saying ‘you stink’ or calling me an elitist in an internet forum. I will continue to play, have fun, help my friends and some strangers, and find new ways of making the game more challenging and interesting each session. You play how you like and I will do the same. I do not think that I can influence everyone to be helpful to lower toons and to stop bashing/abusing them. But if I can make just one think about it enough to make some changes, then it is worth my time, and the abuse of those that would silence me.

Have fun!

[Loosy Goosy]

Originally posted by WizardHawk
Hmm, again I say interesting comments from one who is often referred to as arrogant and an elitist. Have I changed my mind? Well kind of, but not really. I have already explained why I went along with the concept of taking mostly maxed, 100+ toons during the first weeks of the HQ. I’ll explain it again, perhaps this time you will actually read what I post before making comments on it. The first release of this area was plagued with bugs, the worst of which caused some members of your party to crash pretty much every run. It seemed logical to limit who you went with to mostly experienced, maxed toons if you could find 7 of them. You will not find a comment from me anywhere in which I stated that little toons don’t belong there or are otherwise ‘unworthy’ of the attempt of going to the VP. I stated that they should wait until the bugs are worked out. The only other comments you may find on this topic (bunny will be quick to point out I’m sure) is that if you are not going to allow the little toons to go to the VP, you should not make a bad problem worse by helping them to get their suit parts in the first place. This is not a contradiction to what I’m now trying to do. The bugs are indeed worked out and it is much safer to take random toons, newbies, noobs, and medium/low toons as we now have a more stable battle ground. Calling me an elitist is absolutely laughable at best, and shows a clear lack of understanding of EVERY post I have had on this board. I state every chance I can get that I help lower toons all the time. I help strangers both on the street, and in buildings just for something to do. I have people on my friends list that range from 25 – 100+ with several in the 25-60 range. Do you help out toons like that?

"With this challenge, you're EITHER coming out of the elitist
closet, admitting that previously you wouldn't dream of taking a
low laffer in a VP run with you—OR that or you think
everyone else thinks of themselves as elitists, making yourself
an elitist in the fact that you are somehow better by not having
a prejudice toward low-mid laffers. Either way, the fact that this
challenge exists reeks of elitism.”

Point A has now been addressed. I find it ironic that you state only two possibilities, both of which you claim make me some sort of elitist when that is all I hear about who you are. On your second point, I have stated (once again, if you had actually read anything, we wouldn’t be here now) that the purpose of this ‘challenge’ is not so much a literal one, but a symbolic one meant to help SOME higher toons to rethink their position. I do not believe that ALL, or even MOST high toons are unwilling to take the risk of helping new, and or, lower toons. I think that there has been a lot of bad blood in the posts that I have read up here in the first few weeks of this new area and I want to help change that mentality that would have some stating that lower toons just should not be allowed into this area (including some comments from yourself in that direction!). I am by no means better than anyone else for my views or playing style. This is a message board. The purpose if for gamers to have a place to talk about, and maybe learn something about, their game. Apparently, you are the only person who can ask questions that make people think without having it be caused from some sort of superiority complex. Perhaps you should look in the mirror a little before passing judgment on others.

So now, both of your points are spiraling down in flames.

“Just have fun gang. The game is currently designed without
limits, so your fun shouldn't be limited as well.”

Didn’t you suggest a design change that would impose limits by making is so that you can only enter a cog HQ zone after completing certain levels of the game? So our fun shouldn’t be limited, unless you had your way in which only higher toons were allowed to explore new game areas. Now who is the elitist? ;-)

Again, this is just a game to me and this forum an interesting resource for it. I take none of it (nor any comments from people here) personally or very seriously. I’ll not be going home to beat my dog over someone saying ‘you stink’ or calling me an elitist in an internet forum. I will continue to play, have fun, help my friends and some strangers, and find new ways of making the game more challenging and interesting each session. You play how you like and I will do the same. I do not think that I can influence everyone to be helpful to lower toons and to stop bashing/abusing them. But if I can make just one think about it enough to make some changes, then it is worth my time, and the abuse of those that would silence me.

Have fun!

Wow that's a lot of text just to call me an elitist hehe. I'm often
referred to as an arrogant elitist by people who don't know me,
and who get emotional about my opposing viewpoints

The point is, your thread here suggests that it's a novel thought
to actually let low-mid laffers play with you, and that to me reeks
of elitism. I'm saying that the parameters of the game already
allow all toons to fight the VP, therefore have fun. Since the
parameters of the game already allow all toons to fight the VP, I
suggest limits. Yes, I can play with low laffers against the VP AND
have an opinion about their access to the VP fight at the same
time. Hard to believe, eh?

Edit: I did random runs during the marathon, when CHQ
was 'plagued' with bugs as you put it. It didn't stop me but it
stopped you, as you stated. How is it that I'm more of an elitist
than you?

[WizardHawk]

"Wow that's a lot of text just to call me an elitist hehe. I'm often
referred to as an arrogant elitist by people who don't know me,
and who get emotional about my opposing viewpoints

The point is, your thread here suggests that it's a novel thought
to actually let low-mid laffers play with you, and that to me reeks
of elitism. I'm saying that the parameters of the game already
allow all toons to fight the VP, therefore have fun. Since the
parameters of the game already allow all toons to fight the VP, I
suggest limits. Yes, I can play with low laffers against the VP AND
have an opinion about their access to the VP fight at the same
time. Hard to believe, eh?"

The length of my post was so that I didn't have to repeat the same exact information yet another time. Your post suggested that only one of two possible states existed for my challenge and both ended up calling me names. Isn't that convenient? I never suggested that I am the first, or only person to think of taking along lower toons in the VP runs. I made the challenge first on another thread where you, and others, were still suggesting that there should be a limit on toons who can enter the zone. I had also read at least 4 other threads that day still complaining about the elevator shuffle to get away from them and how they don’t belong there. I will again (now for the third time) state that the goal of this thread is to help SOME (read- perhaps only a few, or maybe even only one!) rethink their position and start taking on one or two of those that they have complained so loudly about having to ‘shuffle’ from instead of spending hours up here complaining about it. There is nothing ‘novel’ in that goal and does not suggest an elitist mentality.

I find it kind of ironic that you stand up for, and praise those who choose to have a voice about not wanting to ever go on a run with lower toons and claim it is their right to do so, but put down those with an opposite view. You do not see the hypocrisy of such a position? I am entitled to my opinion AND I am allowed to share that view with others. You, and everyone else on this board, are free to agree, disagree, and/or just plain ignore it.

“…and who get emotional…”
As I stated, I am not emotional in any way over anything you, nor anyone else here, has to say. This is only a game, and this is only a forum about it. I told you in the other thread (again, I wonder if you read, or just browse posts before responding?) that I am always up for a good debate and/or argument. I do not shy away from conflict, nor run from those that I am supposed to be afraid of (as has been suggested by some about you). Heck, I would not hesitate to go into a building or VP run with you or any of the other posters on here with opposing views! I have merely pointed out where your choice for use of the term ‘elite’ is not warranted and where you have problems with consistency with your views.

Have fun!

[ms nuttypeaches]

Originally posted by Loosy Goosy
With this challenge, you're EITHER coming out of the elitist
closet, admitting that previously you wouldn't dream of taking a
low laffer in a VP run with you—OR that or you think
everyone else thinks of themselves as elitists, making yourself
an elitist in the fact that you are somehow better by not having
a prejudice toward low-mid laffers. Either way, the fact that this
challenge exists reeks of elitism.

I'll up your challenge by suggesting this: simply join a group in
the lift without even ONCE clicking on their character to check
their stats. You'll actually have fun WITHOUT concerning yourself
with the odds of winning or losing. During the marathon I did this
6 times, won 3 times, lost 3 times, had fun every time.

Just have fun gang. The game is currently designed without
limits, so your fun shouldn't be limited as well.

Im sorry Im lost! Where is the fun in that!......You spend how many hours collecting 10000 merrits to what join in on a crew of toons you don't know! I admit I am addicted to this game! But that is just sick! There has to be a better challenge than that! Hey I know go in with 4 toons! Someone please help me!


Peaches

[Loosy Goosy]

Originally posted by WizardHawk
"Wow that's a lot of text just to call me an elitist hehe. I'm often
referred to as an arrogant elitist by people who don't know me,
and who get emotional about my opposing viewpoints

The point is, your thread here suggests that it's a novel thought
to actually let low-mid laffers play with you, and that to me reeks
of elitism. I'm saying that the parameters of the game already
allow all toons to fight the VP, therefore have fun. Since the
parameters of the game already allow all toons to fight the VP, I
suggest limits. Yes, I can play with low laffers against the VP AND
have an opinion about their access to the VP fight at the same
time. Hard to believe, eh?"

The length of my post was so that I didn't have to repeat the same exact information yet another time. Your post suggested that only one of two possible states existed for my challenge and both ended up calling me names. Isn't that convenient? I never suggested that I am the first, or only person to think of taking along lower toons in the VP runs. I made the challenge first on another thread where you, and others, were still suggesting that there should be a limit on toons who can enter the zone. I had also read at least 4 other threads that day still complaining about the elevator shuffle to get away from them and how they don’t belong there. I will again (now for the third time) state that the goal of this thread is to help SOME (read- perhaps only a few, or maybe even only one!) rethink their position and start taking on one or two of those that they have complained so loudly about having to ‘shuffle’ from instead of spending hours up here complaining about it. There is nothing ‘novel’ in that goal and does not suggest an elitist mentality.

I find it kind of ironic that you stand up for, and praise those who choose to have a voice about not wanting to ever go on a run with lower toons and claim it is their right to do so, but put down those with an opposite view. You do not see the hypocrisy of such a position? I am entitled to my opinion AND I am allowed to share that view with others. You, and everyone else on this board, are free to agree, disagree, and/or just plain ignore it.

“…and who get emotional…”
As I stated, I am not emotional in any way over anything you, nor anyone else here, has to say. This is only a game, and this is only a forum about it. I told you in the other thread (again, I wonder if you read, or just browse posts before responding?) that I am always up for a good debate and/or argument. I do not shy away from conflict, nor run from those that I am supposed to be afraid of (as has been suggested by some about you). Heck, I would not hesitate to go into a building or VP run with you or any of the other posters on here with opposing views! I have merely pointed out where your choice for use of the term ‘elite’ is not warranted and where you have problems with consistency with your views.

Have fun!

Interesting. You imply that you consider me elitist based on what
you've heard others say about me (2 posts up), yet I come right
out and state only that this THREAD reeks of elitism and you think
I'm calling YOU names?

As far as being emotional, I didn't say you were emotional. My
reference to emotionalism is in regard to the countless replies to
my posts from folks who think I'm attacking them simply because
I don't agree with their post. Instead of a rational acknowledgment
of an opposing view (not an agreement, just a different opinion),
people lash out because someone even dared dissent.

The main thrust of any of what I've had to say on your thread is,
we're all elitists in our own minds, and look like idiots to those
whose own elitism clashes with ours. It's undenyable. We all
have an idea of how things should be, and if someone disagrees,
it would be much more productive to not call them arrogant elitists

[WizardHawk]

"Interesting. You imply that you consider me elitist based on what
you've heard others say about me (2 posts up), yet I come right
out and state only that this THREAD reeks of elitism and you think
I'm calling YOU names?"

Ok, here is what that refers to:

"...you're EITHER coming out of the elitist
closet, admitting that previously you wouldn't dream of taking a
low laffer in a VP run with you—OR that or you think
everyone else thinks of themselves as elitists, making yourself
an elitist..."

Sounds to me pretty clear that no matter what my motive, I'm an elitist for my post and isn't that name calling?

"As far as being emotional, I didn't say you were emotional. My
reference to emotionalism is in regard to the countless replies to
my posts from folks who think I'm attacking them simply because
I don't agree with their post. Instead of a rational acknowledgment
of an opposing view (not an agreement, just a different opinion),
people lash out because someone even dared dissent."

Alright. I made a response only to clarify but point taken.

"The main thrust of any of what I've had to say on your thread is,
we're all elitists in our own minds, and look like idiots to those
whose own elitism clashes with ours. It's undenyable. We all
have an idea of how things should be, and if someone disagrees, it would be much more productive to not call them arrogant elitists "

Then why are you calling me an elitist? (see above for proof…)

I did not call you an arrogant elitist, I stated that this is what I have seen in a few threads (said by others about you), and been told in PM’s or through sf’s in game about you. I have not talked to you enough to formulate an opinion, and even when I have talked to you 1,000 times, it is in the very limiting format of an online board which isn’t enough to really find out enough about someone to qualify a real opinion about them in the first place.

The fact is, you are on record as defending, and indeed, applauding those who wish only to play with high toons. Isn’t that the definition of an elitist? And in the next breath, tell me I must be one for challenging others to get past the problems that turned some of them to that view. Some people here have always had that way of thinking in their minds (read the thread on walking a mile in a high toons shoes) and for them, let them play anyway they wish to play. However, others, such as the intended audience of this thread, were driven to it because of the very poor manner in which Disney dumped a bug laden prototype HQ on the masses. This is intended to get JUST those people to see that the bugs are now down to the point where they are free to resume the way they USED to play. I chose an abrupt, in your face kind of challenge as the vehicle to get that across. I thought it would have more impact than a thread such as “ok, now that the disconnect problems are gone, we can go back to helping little toons” or some such. For someone who keeps stating that others should be entitled to their opinions, you sure keep harping on me for mine. I have not made any degrading comments about your views, nor those of the others who would have a separatist environment so why not just let me have my view?

I have an idea! And just to stem off any comments before you have them: it may not be original but I haven’t seen it mentioned before, and I am fine with the game as stands but this may help those who are less than happy with the product that they pay for.

ToonTown has a server just for the starting toon, and a server they get dumped into when they leave ttc and have not changed districts on their own. This helps keep some of the really new players from those who want to avoid them. Why shouldn’t Disney go one step further and make one, or more, new districts where ONLY those who are totally maxed in gags AND have completed all toon tasks can go? Think about it, those who never want to play with lower toons would have their very own, private TTC pond to fish in trouble free. Those of us who might want to just get away from the lower toons from time to time would have an area to do that but we could still switch back to regular districts any time. The HQ’s on these servers would be a place free from lower toons and a paradise for those who have wanted it that way. This would also help the lower toons since the worst of the separatists would no longer be around to be mean to them. It would be easy for Disney to setup and solve so many problems that there isn’t a good reason not to do it that I can think of. (somehow I imagine that loosy will find a problem or two with it though lol)

[Loosy Goosy]

Originally posted by WizardHawk
"Interesting. You imply that you consider me elitist based on what
you've heard others say about me (2 posts up), yet I come right
out and state only that this THREAD reeks of elitism and you think
I'm calling YOU names?"

Ok, here is what that refers to:

"...you're EITHER coming out of the elitist
closet, admitting that previously you wouldn't dream of taking a
low laffer in a VP run with you—OR that or you think
everyone else thinks of themselves as elitists, making yourself
an elitist..."

Sounds to me pretty clear that no matter what my motive, I'm an elitist for my post and isn't that name calling?

"As far as being emotional, I didn't say you were emotional. My
reference to emotionalism is in regard to the countless replies to
my posts from folks who think I'm attacking them simply because
I don't agree with their post. Instead of a rational acknowledgment
of an opposing view (not an agreement, just a different opinion),
people lash out because someone even dared dissent."

Alright. I made a response only to clarify but point taken.

"The main thrust of any of what I've had to say on your thread is,
we're all elitists in our own minds, and look like idiots to those
whose own elitism clashes with ours. It's undenyable. We all
have an idea of how things should be, and if someone disagrees, it would be much more productive to not call them arrogant elitists "

Then why are you calling me an elitist? (see above for proof…)

I did not call you an arrogant elitist, I stated that this is what I have seen in a few threads (said by others about you), and been told in PM’s or through sf’s in game about you. I have not talked to you enough to formulate an opinion, and even when I have talked to you 1,000 times, it is in the very limiting format of an online board which isn’t enough to really find out enough about someone to qualify a real opinion about them in the first place.

The fact is, you are on record as defending, and indeed, applauding those who wish only to play with high toons. Isn’t that the definition of an elitist? And in the next breath, tell me I must be one for challenging others to get past the problems that turned some of them to that view. Some people here have always had that way of thinking in their minds (read the thread on walking a mile in a high toons shoes) and for them, let them play anyway they wish to play. However, others, such as the intended audience of this thread, were driven to it because of the very poor manner in which Disney dumped a bug laden prototype HQ on the masses. This is intended to get JUST those people to see that the bugs are now down to the point where they are free to resume the way they USED to play. I chose an abrupt, in your face kind of challenge as the vehicle to get that across. I thought it would have more impact than a thread such as “ok, now that the disconnect problems are gone, we can go back to helping little toons” or some such. For someone who keeps stating that others should be entitled to their opinions, you sure keep harping on me for mine. I have not made any degrading comments about your views, nor those of the others who would have a separatist environment so why not just let me have my view?

I have an idea! And just to stem off any comments before you have them: it may not be original but I haven’t seen it mentioned before, and I am fine with the game as stands but this may help those who are less than happy with the product that they pay for.

ToonTown has a server just for the starting toon, and a server they get dumped into when they leave ttc and have not changed districts on their own. This helps keep some of the really new players from those who want to avoid them. Why shouldn’t Disney go one step further and make one, or more, new districts where ONLY those who are totally maxed in gags AND have completed all toon tasks can go? Think about it, those who never want to play with lower toons would have their very own, private TTC pond to fish in trouble free. Those of us who might want to just get away from the lower toons from time to time would have an area to do that but we could still switch back to regular districts any time. The HQ’s on these servers would be a place free from lower toons and a paradise for those who have wanted it that way. This would also help the lower toons since the worst of the separatists would no longer be around to be mean to them. It would be easy for Disney to setup and solve so many problems that there isn’t a good reason not to do it that I can think of. (somehow I imagine that loosy will find a problem or two with it though lol)

lol! That is FUNNY!!!
The below statement had to do with anyone taking up the so-called "challenge" - not just you!

With this challenge, you're EITHER coming out of the elitist
closet, admitting that previously you wouldn't dream of taking a
low laffer in a VP run with you—OR that or you think
everyone else thinks of themselves as elitists, making yourself
an elitist in the fact that you are somehow better by not having
a prejudice toward low-mid laffers. Either way, the fact that this
challenge exists reeks of elitism.

Therein lies the confusion.

[WizardHawk]

What? No slam on my idea about districts just for maxed toons? No further manipulations of my wording or ideas? @@

Seriously, If you read your quote you can see where it would appear that you are indeed calling me an elitist. Even if this was not your intention, the following is STILL a contrad