Walk a mile in a high toon's shoes....

[WizardHawk]

NOTE: This article is directly aimed at those lower laff toons who do not understand why higher toons are the way they are. If you are a higher toon yourself, you can just skip this lengthy read

I have seen a number of posts now that amount to little more than lower toons making uneducated attacks on maxed toons. I want to try and help some of those in this category understand a little more about what high toons have gone through to make them seem so standoffish. There are many ways to define the levels of toons from gag development to laff points. For the purpose of this article, lowbies are defined as 40 laff points and under, mid level toons are 41-95 and high toons are of course over 95.

When a low toon asks another low toon to be their friend they have a 50/50 shot that they will say yes. Being so close in lp means they may have similar goals and they probably have plenty of room on their friends list. When they see a high toon they think it would be very cool and helpful to get them on their list and get quite upset when they are turned down. You are not even very likely to get a high toon to make friends with another high toon that they do not know because they don’t have room.

High toons will not take on low toons very often for many reasons. There are high toons that have been playing that character for a year. Do you really think they have plenty of empty spaces to just put on someone they don’t know? Before the HQ, most high toons spent their time playing in the larger buildings of TB and DL. Low toons are liabilities in these zones so the high toon would have to ditch their other friends to go to a much lower area to play with these low toons. And (for the most part) with low toons you can expect that most have not quite figured out how to use speed chat effectively or use their gags in an efficient manner. It is easy to get killed by a low toon that uses the whistle on a group of lured cogs and I have ran into a 38 that still didn’t even know how to teleport to someone. High toons are not being mean when they turn down your request to be friends and you should not attack them for it. Make plenty of friends from your own general range and you will all become high toons together in no time.

Low toons are also frustrating in that they exhibit very rude behavior on a regular basis. They hit you up to be friends so you turn off ‘accepting new friends’ and they decide to whisper to you. You ignore it so they come stand right in your face and ask you again and again (as if this will convince someone that you are an absolute must-have friend!). How about when they stand right in front of you when you are trying to catch one of those rare species that you have been chasing for a month? Then there is the regular elevator shuffle (outside of the HQ zone). You get 4 friends together to go take on the only 5 story building you have been able to find in the last 45 minutes of searching and all of a sudden an 18 pops up to the building and insists on trying to get on when any of you make a move toward it. It is VERY rude for anyone of any level to try and hijack other people’s elevators, but when they are someone that isn’t even likely to survive to the 3rd floor it is just maddening. What do the high toons do about it? They may try and wait until 1 second and jump off the elevator, take them up and do an alt-F4, or go do the first floor and bail at the elevator and go back to their friends. The low toon asked for it by not taking a polite “No thank you” and the “I think this is too risky for you”.

You also get hijackers and ‘be my friend’ attackers from the mid range toon group, but you can also add the ever frustrating bossy toon to this category. Keep in mind that many maxed toons have more than one toon (I’ve seen people that have all 6) so they have been there and done that on just about every level that the game has to offer. What in the world possesses a 52 to dictate what the high level toon should use on EVERY round? As if they have discovered some magic strategy that escapes someone who has spent hundreds of hours playing this game.

You may not do ANY of these things mentioned, but the majority do. Just because you do not hound high toons to be friends, do not get in their face when they are talking to friends, do not attempt to steal an elevator, and are not bossy, does not mean that you should expect a high toon to know you are the exception and treat you accordingly. High toons deal with these issues every single time they log on and the frustration builds up over time.

Now before you attack me on this, I am not one of the higher toons that are mean toward the lower guys. I have only been a maxed toon for a few months and perhaps it hasn’t worn me down yet, or maybe it is because I can always remember that this is just a game, or perhaps because I know that many of the players are just little kids. For whatever reason, when I get a ‘you stink!’ I either just ignore it or laugh about it. There isn’t much you can do about the elevator shuffle which is why I don’t yell at my friends for doing the elevator ditch (I have never done this, and never will because they are just kids you are attacking), I understand why they do it. I will stop and help little guys in trouble on the street, take medium toons in high areas (not the HQ), and help strangers with buildings or other goals. This does not mean I will help everyone I run across but I do help when I can.

This is just a game people. It is meant to entertain and distract you from your daily grind. The lower toons should just ignore the higher toons for the time being and just work on their own goals. If you treat every toon in the game with respect, go out of your way to help others with their goals (even when it doesn’t help you at all), and just try to have fun, you will find yourself with more good friends than you have room for. And you will have a better gaming experience!

Now, go out there and kick some cog butt!

[Glitter Star]

If you treat every toon in the game with respect, go out of your way to help others with their goals (even when it doesn’t help you at all), and just try to have fun, you will find yourself with more good friends than you have room for. And you will have a better gaming experience!

I totally agree! No matter what, I always try to help other toons(friends) when asked to do a cog building or needs help in a street battle, cause one day I'll need them to help me.

when I get a ‘you stink!’ I either just ignore it or laugh about it.

Same here If they continue to do so, I just leave. No biggie!!

When a low toon asks another low toon to be their friend they have a 50/50 shot that they will say yes. Being so close in lp means they may have similar goals and they probably have plenty of room on their friends list. When they see a high toon they think it would be very cool and helpful to get them on their list and get quite upset when they are turned down. You are not even very likely to get a high toon to make friends with another high toon that they do not know because they don’t have room.

When I was a newbie, I didn't care if I had 15 or 16 LP's but as I gained more and more LP's, I carefully started to choose my friends (toons with same or more LP's than me).

[Bunny Summers]

Originally posted by WizardHawk

You also get hijackers and ‘be my friend’ attackers from the mid range toon group, but you can also add the ever frustrating bossy toon to this category. Keep in mind that many maxed toons have more than one toon (I’ve seen people that have all 6) so they have been there and done that on just about every level that the game has to offer. What in the world possesses a 52 to dictate what the high level toon should use on EVERY round? As if they have discovered some magic strategy that escapes someone who has spent hundreds of hours playing this game.

This is what I find most humorous: the "Bossy Toon". LOL. Just yesterday Dlite & I were getting suit peices and we had two 40-50 laffers. The 40 laffer kept dictating to us, (and I'm sorry if this sounds stuck-up but it's true) the two toons that would probably keep him/her alive, what WE should do. It started out as "Let's use throw". Ummm...no! Excuse me! Two elephant trunks took them all out. Why would I want to kill them one at a time? So me, Dlite & the 50 laffer all pulled out our sound gags & bye-bye cogs. Now before you say maybe she was working sound or trying to get a cream pie: Even if she was, most of you know you don't get credit or floor mulitpliers half the time for gags, so why worry about it in the factory? Work that kind of stuff in a building!. Ok, then she says "Let's stay together." "Follow me". Ok, I'm usually up for a challenge but I had a bad experience following a lower laffer right into the paint mixers. See, I have never went that route & lost like half my laff points following him/her. So, I was in front of him/her. Dlite went through the lookout shortcut, as was planned. That way we have at least one toon with most of their laff points who can toon the rest of us who went through the Boiler room. The bossiness kept going throughout. "Let's use lure" "Let's use throw". Frankly, at that point I'm starting use ANYTHING BUT what she says. You know what she does when we get to the center silo? She says "Let's use sound." Ok, sure. I told Dlite, if she wants sound we'll give it to her. By this point, I wanted to let her know what the consequences of her decisions were. And she was down pretty low. At the end I asked her "Are you new here?" She said "No". I said "Yeah!" "Me too."...sigh.

Also, what you said about choosing your friends is true. Choose friends that are more in your laff range because they will be working on similar tasks. And I can guarantee you will find a group who you are happy to do buildings with all the time. They will become essentially your toon buddies. And probably people you can call on all the time. A high laffer may have generic tasks but they have done the same: accumulated good toon friends over the time they've maxxed out their toon. Likely, they are going to want to play with them most of the time. I, too, find it funny that someone comes up to me, usually a newbie, and says "Please be my friend!" even though the message says "Bunny Summers has too many friends on her list". They will speedchat or even worse, use the secret friends chat over & over, and say "Please be my friend!" repeatedly even though you say "Sorry, I can't". It's like they expect you to suddenly LIKE them because they are being annoying. Like the example of standing in front of you when you're fishing. I, personally, say nothing to them & they usually go away. But still...why do they treat people that way & suddenly EXPECT that they'll want to be friends with you? IRL, if someone came up to me & kept repeatedly asking to be my friend it would make me want to avoid them MORE!!!

[WizardHawk]

lol bunny!

That is the point of this thread. Let those who are developing their first toon know why higher toons are so frustrated. I admit that the number one way to get me upset is to be bossy in the fashion you described. I have no problems helping others develop their gags, but when they want to use a bike horn against 4 10's, you just want to pull your hair out.

[Glitter Star]

That's what I don't get.

I've seen toons (lower than 25LP'a) joining streets battles or builidings when they have half of their LP's gone and using low level gags on cogs 5+ and keep getting tooned up but eventually get sad. They get all mad at you and then start doing it again.

Don't they ever learn from their mistakes? Guess NOT!!!!!!

[WizardHawk]

I also love it when a low toon wants you to heal them when doing so would not only have them go sad, but maybe you as well. Sometimes we have to make a choice, heal you and let the cogs go and attack us again, or use our high level gags to attack the cogs and hope you make it. We are likely to choose the latter if we are low on points too and you can't heal us. It isn't that we are trying to kill you, we are trying to do what is best for everyone. You have to understand that as a low laffer, you will go sad from time to time no matter what you do unless you only fight in TTC and DD and have full groups all the time. We have all gone sad on many occations and have paid our dues on this. We should not have to go sad just to save you when you will just go sad the next round anyway.

[Lost My Marbles]

Very nice post WizardHawk!

I agree with alot of what was said and laugh at most of whats directed at the higher laff point toons including the all popular mid laff point 'Bossy know-it-all' Toon types.

If you don't find some way of laughing about it, it just slowly tears your will to play down farther and farther.

I have this reoccurring nightmare where my high laff point toon is being chased by hundereds & hundereds of 15 laff point toons all screaming at me at once. And they can only use 1 speed chat saying, thats all.
"Please be my friend!"
"Please be my friend!"
"Please be my friend!"
I'm unable to teleport out and can't log out so they just continue to follow me everywhere!

All I see for miles and miles are the toon heads of 15 laff point toons all screaming at me at once nonstop and I can't escape ... ever.

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Ok, that was a bit harsh now that I reread it but it was a joke.

I honestly don't mind new friends. Honest.

[Sifichick]

This goes both ways. I've seen toons with high lp who are moronic players. Just today I lured 4 cogs in a building and the toon used sound. Sorry if someone has already decided on using lure (Mostly to defuse a tough situtation) PLEASE for the love of god DON'T use sound.

Yes I'm a mid laugher but I'm also a smart player. I have been tought by some of the best toons out there. I haven't defeated TB yet but today I just got my Thundercloud and I'm close to getting my next sound gag.

So to the higher toons don't judge a toon by their lp. I've been in many battles in DDL and have won most of them. Yes I know things can go terribly wrong even when everyone is trying their best but you should really give us lower toons a chance.

[WizardHawk]

Originally posted by Sifichick
This goes both ways. I've seen toons with high lp who are moronic players. Just today I lured 4 cogs in a building and the toon used sound. Sorry if someone has already decided on using lure (Mostly to defuse a tough situtation) PLEASE for the love of god DON'T use sound.

Yes I'm a mid laugher but I'm also a smart player. I have been tought by some of the best toons out there. I haven't defeated TB yet but today I just got my Thundercloud and I'm close to getting my next sound gag.

So to the higher toons don't judge a toon by their lp. I've been in many battles in DDL and have won most of them. Yes I know things can go terribly wrong even when everyone is trying their best but you should really give us lower toons a chance.

This thread has nothing to do with who is, and who is not able to play. This thread is just to explain why higher toons are biased against lower toons (mostly those below 60). It is only meant to tell you what you have to expect when you have maxed out your toon and have 105 laff points. Sure there are idiots all over the game including 10x's. And there are going to be mean toons at all levels too. We are just trying to share the frustrations that normal, otherwise friendly, high level toons must put up with so that the mid-level and low-level player can understand why we run from them (Thank god for TP and district changes!) and/or ignore them.

[Bunny Summers]

Originally posted by Sifichick
This goes both ways. I've seen toons with high lp who are moronic players. Just today I lured 4 cogs in a building and the toon used sound. Sorry if someone has already decided on using lure (Mostly to defuse a tough situtation) PLEASE for the love of god DON'T use sound.

Plus, a point I'd like to make is that sometimes it's actually good to use sound & lure together. Like, for example, you have 3 high laff toons who could all take out at least a level 11 with maxxed foghorn. The fourth toon might want to go ahead & lure them in, to ensure that they foghorns won't miss. Just when to use lure & sound together is the key!

[Lost My Marbles]

Plus, a point I'd like to make is that sometimes it's actually good to use sound & lure together. Like, for example, you have 3 high laff toons who could all take out at least a level 11 with maxxed foghorn. The fourth toon might want to go ahead & lure them in, to ensure that they foghorns won't miss. Just when to use lure & sound together is the key!

Well said. I totally agree, even though I rant ALOT about the 2 being used together, sometimes it'll save the day ... timing is everything.

[Sifichick]

Originally posted by Bunny Summers
Plus, a point I'd like to make is that sometimes it's actually good to use sound & lure together. Like, for example, you have 3 high laff toons who could all take out at least a level 11 with maxxed foghorn. The fourth toon might want to go ahead & lure them in, to ensure that they foghorns won't miss. Just when to use lure & sound together is the key!

Unfortunately that wasn't the case in that battle. The person used a lower level on cogs that just stepped off the elevator.

[Jalia]

Of course the truth is you'll never walk a mile in a high toon's shoes because once you reach DDL you can teleport anywhere. What high toon walks that far? Hehe.

[DutchAmerica]

You should be careful not to group ALL the lower laffers as being new and inexperienced. There are a lot of 'noobies' or lower laffers that are toons of players that have already maxxed a few characters already.

My latest is now up to 54 laffs. I know where I need to go to get certain building cogs and if I need to bring back a soccer ball, etc. I know what type of toons I will need to go with in order to succeed. I don't go around harrassing people. But if there are 3 people standing outside a building I will ask if they need help. If they say no, I keep moving. If they say yes, it doesn't mean that they should dump me for meaness because some other 54 acted like a jerk. And so what if they have to help me get through the building. I am not going to do anything stupid to get them killed. I might need a toon up along the way, but don't we all? Isn't that called teamwork?

And I have seen the higher laffers standing in front of my fishing line plenty times. I have also seen 2 102 throw different traps at the same cog. So, all the levels have their problems. It's not everyone that are bad toons. It's just the ones that are bad, make all the others look bad too.

[DutchAmerica]

I think it's good judgement that if everyone is using lure. If you can't kill the cog with what you have, or if you only have sound. Pass that round and pray the lure works, unless someone needs a toon up. (I have seen toons get really mad if you pass like that, it's like they don't understand what you've done.)

If the lure works and you wake them all up with your sound, you all are in deep dodo. Or if you have someone using a pie on one cog and it won't kill, then you add yours to that cog to take it out.

It's dumber than dumb, when someone lures the cogs, and each toon throws/waters at a different . Now they are all awake except one.