Walk a mile in a high toon's shoes....

[ms nuttypeaches]

<<<<<<<How do YOU know who is really a new toon? That could be a person's 3rd or 4th toon. They could already have a bunch of maxxed toons in their stable already>>>>>>>

Doesn't take a genius to figure it out! All you have to do is play the game with them to figure it out. I have 3 toons now....Slin almost maxed, Nutty completely maxed and Just Peachy just starting. Play the game with a toon and you know if they are new to TT or not. If a level 50 is working drop and the toon chooses to use a low level squirt to help them...they get it. If the toon chooses to lure instead...they are new!

Bottom line...HQ should only open up to those who have tp access to DL...it would make the game more enjoyable instead of playing so many games just to get on an elevator with a toon that can play.

It would help the feelings of the little toons too!.. My daugther was broken hearted to be told she stunk trying to get into an elevator! Not worth it! This is a Game folks! Lets just have fun!

Im open to challenges. Hey...I am still looking to go into HQ with only 3 other toons!



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[DutchAmerica]

I have an 83 and a 54 laffer. I have suits for both. I have taken the 83 in to battle the vp once but, since everyone is so hyper and crazed about the vp battles, I don't go anymore. To me it isn't fun at all. I very rarely ever go to the factory anymore. It just isn't worth 1/2 an hour of my time to fight for a spot on an elevator.

However, I love to talk cog talk with my friends. So I will go into the lobby and those maxxes toons that are in a paranoid frenzy will be all over my 54 laffer. I can be standing in the corner minding my own business and I have had maxxes come a push me around and talk stinky to me. I am not even on the elevator platform for heaven sake. I can be back at the door close to where I came in.

[WizardHawk]

Originally posted by DutchAmerica
I have an 83 and a 54 laffer. I have suits for both. I have taken the 83 in to battle the vp once but, since everyone is so hyper and crazed about the vp battles, I don't go anymore. To me it isn't fun at all. I very rarely ever go to the factory anymore. It just isn't worth 1/2 an hour of my time to fight for a spot on an elevator.

However, I love to talk cog talk with my friends. So I will go into the lobby and those maxxes toons that are in a paranoid frenzy will be all over my 54 laffer. I can be standing in the corner minding my own business and I have had maxxes come a push me around and talk stinky to me. I am not even on the elevator platform for heaven sake. I can be back at the door close to where I came in.

This may not be on topic again, but I woudln't give up on the VP runs just yet. Now that it seems that the disconnects have been reduced to being almost non-existant, my group is more open to taking lower toons in. By lower I mean probably mid 60's or higher just so that they have a large enough gag bag and enough laff points to sustain hits from 12's. This will still take a week or two before you will see more and more high toons doing the same. The VP seems to be so easy now as to not really be a challange at all. We have gone in with 6 and won and are looking to try it with only 4. In other words, high toons are now trying to find ways of making it more challanging again which leaves the door wide open for taking lower toons along. I for one would like to see how low of a toon you can take and still keep alive until the VP battle.

Good Luck!

[UMT]

Nice post WizardHawk. You said everything very well.

I guess this is a little off topic, but since it's kind of been asked.

I can usually tell if a 15-45 laff toon is new to the game, or new to the toon.

They tend to be polite.
First off, if they see you running down the street, they don't bombard you with friend requests, or constantly say "Please be my Friend"

They tend to start things off with "Hello"-"I need to defeat a such and such"-"can you help me"

I can usually tell by their first or second move in a building if they know what they are doing. If they pass, when I lure multiple cogs, that's the sure sign of a toon who knows what they are doing. I can usually tell by what they are doing, if they are actually testing my skills. New to the toon toons don't usually suggest what gag I should use either, and they don't usually ask for toon ups. They play relaxed, and are not usually to concearned if thing go badly.

I'll be the first to ask them to be my friend.

I don't really understand why the friend requests bother so many people. I have no issues with saying no when they ask. If I was walking through the mall, and someone walked up to me out of the blue and asked to be my friend, I'd think they were nuts. I treat the game the same way. If they follow me around, I just change districts. "You Stinks" don't bother me either. I just smile, and say "Have a nice day", and TP away.

Sorry to go off your topic here, but someone did ask how you could tell a noobie noob.

[WizardHawk]

Originally posted by Ugly Marigold Twiddlesnout
Nice post WizardHawk. You said everything very well.

I guess this is a little off topic, but since it's kind of been asked.

I can usually tell if a 15-45 laff toon is new to the game, or new to the toon.

They tend to be polite.
First off, if they see you running down the street, they don't bombard you with friend requests, or constantly say "Please be my Friend"

They tend to start things off with "Hello"-"I need to defeat a such and such"-"can you help me"

I can usually tell by their first or second move in a building if they know what they are doing. If they pass, when I lure multiple cogs, that's the sure sign of a toon who knows what they are doing. I can usually tell by what they are doing, if they are actually testing my skills. New to the toon toons don't usually suggest what gag I should use either, and they don't usually ask for toon ups. They play relaxed, and are not usually to concearned if thing go badly.

I'll be the first to ask them to be my friend.

I don't really understand why the friend requests bother so many people. I have no issues with saying no when they ask. If I was walking through the mall, and someone walked up to me out of the blue and asked to be my friend, I'd think they were nuts. I treat the game the same way. If they follow me around, I just change districts. "You Stinks" don't bother me either. I just smile, and say "Have a nice day", and TP away.

Sorry to go off your topic here, but someone did ask how you could tell a noobie noob.

You really are not that far off topic however I can answer a few points. For me, I am not THAT bothered by the hitman friender (that is what I call those that will ask over and over and follow you/give you stinkies etc...) I too just jump districts or TP to a friend. But I can see where after several months, or even years of the same old grind that it could get to some of the old timer high toons and make them a little biased against the lower toons and that is what I have been trying to help new players to see in here.

Thank you for your post and your views!

[DutchAmerica]

Ok, I get it now that you are trying to explain why higher laffers are mean. You are not necessarily putting down lower laffers.

I guess if you've been playing the game a really long time all the 'elevator shuffles' and 'please be my friends' probably would become irritating. With Cog hqtrs, it's given them something new and different to work on so they get upset when the others should be exploring areas that are still new to them.

Am I on the mark?

Though I am not as old to the game as some, I was getting pretty bored with doing building. I started soloing and that was ok. Now, I find it challenging to take smaller toons through buildings.

PS (this is supposed to be a joke) I just wonder if those people that are getting too frustrated and developing bad behavior are people that need to take up the sims. They could create a sim called low laffer and then torture it. lol

[Shylo]

?????? what ??????

*shrugs*

Oh well back to work ;o)

[CubbiesTiger]

I am not a high toon ( 75 lp ) could always be higher and will someday hehehee

i like helping all my friends when I can ( not saying I can all the time ( there are one thing I dont like and one I hate )

dont like

1, is when I am going to fight a real hard boulding and a low friend trys to join me knowing they cant win ( just a game but it hurts to see them go sad and there is nothing I can do to stop it)

2, I had this happen a few times a friend on my list ask me to help them ( bad timing ) I be in a boulding or someplace where I cant help them and they start hitting me with " you stink or blank is angry" then leave my list

I love helping but i also love playing I do have tasks to finnish so if you are on my list and I cant make it please try to understand that I cant and not that I am trying to be mean. and if you come to join me and you cant win wait for me if you need help and not just jump in and try.

i hope this was not mean sorry if it was

[Wonderhopper]

Originally posted by DutchAmerica
Ok, I get it now that you are trying to explain why higher laffers are mean. You are not necessarily putting down lower laffers.

I guess if you've been playing the game a really long time all the 'elevator shuffles' and 'please be my friends' probably would become irritating. With Cog hqtrs, it's given them something new and different to work on so they get upset when the others should be exploring areas that are still new to them.

Am I on the mark?

Wizardhawk has offered a good description of what it is like to have a maxxed LP toon and why many of them are unresponsive to nearly all requests. When bringing my main toon up to the maxxed LP level I noticed that friend requests came out of the blue instead of after a shared experience. It no longer mattered to people asking me whether we were at similar levels or working on similar tasks. Instead it seemed like it was my perceived duty to help out any and all other toons. So instead of explaining myself to someone I would just move away or go unresponsive. With several friends online at once, sometimes keeping up with PM conversations is enough work alone!

I feel compelled to respond to DutchAmerica because, while understanding the overall point of Wizardhawk's idea, I don't think they're on the mark about the frustrations in the HQ. It is not upsetting for a high toon to see other toons in an area. Most high toons have been dealing with traffic in DDL for quite a while and that has been frustrating enough. Instead what I find most frustrating about the area is the sheer volume of requests that immediately bombard a high toon as the arrive the area (and that isn't exclusively in Toon Valley, the district I avoid at all costs). Instead of being free to explore an area or organize with our friends, unsolicited requests are thrown at the toon. That is frustrating and can prompt are harsh reaction. It is not because there are other toons in the area, instead the necessity of cooperation (and some of the tension of the setting, it's like a constant cog invasion!) cause volumes of unsolicited friend requests on a high toon. So high toons act less polite than normal.

That's my thinking, a quiet but attempting to be polite, high level toon (101 LP)

[DutchAmerica]

When little toons pester me:

I pretend like I'm asleep. You know how you hit that snooze thing and it makes you look like you're doing something off line and timed out. They go away after a couple of tries.

I know it's isn't really nice but in a way it nicer than what some people do.

[Bunny Summers]

Originally posted by DutchAmerica
When little toons pester me:

I pretend like I'm asleep. You know how you hit that snooze thing and it makes you look like you're doing something off line and timed out. They go away after a couple of tries.

I know it's isn't really nice but in a way it nicer than what some people do.

The only thing with that is that is it doesn't last a long time like it used to. The Sleep emotion lasts about 5-10 seconds & then it goes away. Usually people that are pestering you stick around for a lot longer. Plus if it shows the ...ZZZ... and then it stops, they think you just got back from being away from the computer.

[Captain_Bingo_Paddleswirl]

Originally Posted by Lost My Marbles

Very nice post WizardHawk!

I agree with alot of what was said and laugh at most of whats directed at the higher laff point toons including the all popular mid laff point 'Bossy know-it-all' Toon types.

If you don't find some way of laughing about it, it just slowly tears your will to play down farther and farther.

I have this reoccurring nightmare where my high laff point toon is being chased by hundereds & hundereds of 15 laff point toons all screaming at me at once. And they can only use 1 speed chat saying, thats all.
"Please be my friend!"
"Please be my friend!"
"Please be my friend!"
I'm unable to teleport out and can't log out so they just continue to follow me everywhere!

All I see for miles and miles are the toon heads of 15 laff point toons all screaming at me at once nonstop and I can't escape ... ever.

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Ok, that was a bit harsh now that I reread it but it was a joke.

I honestly don't mind new friends. Honest.

About the new toon thing, my toon is new. But I have experience and I only make friends with toons that I know. Other toons that ask me, "Please be my friend!" I just say okay and be their friend. Once I can use chat I can tell those new toons that sometimes you can't be that toon's friend because they might be mean and they should only make friends if they know that toon. I have that nightmare sometimes and it bothers me. And I don't mind new friends either. It's just that, you know, it's kinda freaky when they horde around you saying, "Please be my friend!"

Originally Posted by DutchAmerica

When little toons pester me:

I pretend like I'm asleep. You know how you hit that snooze thing and it makes you look like you're doing something off line and timed out. They go away after a couple of tries.

I know it's isn't really nice but in a way it nicer than what some people do.

Well, maybe some toons know by now that's fake. Did you know that if your off the computer too long it says, "Your Toon was sleepy and went to bed." and there's and ok button below the quote? Dang, how annoying that could be.

[Captain_Bingo_Paddleswirl]

Originally Posted by Bunny Summers

The only thing with that is that is it doesn't last a long time like it used to. The Sleep emotion lasts about 5-10 seconds & then it goes away. Usually people that are pestering you stick around for a lot longer. Plus if it shows the ...ZZZ... and then it stops, they think you just got back from being away from the computer.

Yes, I agree. Unless you are really away from the computer, the ...ZZZ... is just for 5-10 seconds, or in some cases less.
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[kalan]

Originally Posted by Wonderhopper

Wizardhawk has offered a good description of what it is like to have a maxxed LP toon and why many of them are unresponsive to nearly all requests. When bringing my main toon up to the maxxed LP level I noticed that friend requests came out of the blue instead of after a shared experience. It no longer mattered to people asking me whether we were at similar levels or working on similar tasks. Instead it seemed like it was my perceived duty to help out any and all other toons.......
(101 LP)

Wizard has made many points clear for anyone willing to listen. This duty service is really one of my sore points. I pay for the game, I help little toons anytime I can, I do not owe anyone. And no I will never be friends with someone that tells me I stink, cause I can't say yes, because of the limit. Blame Disney , and also blame yourself if you say that, friends don't say you stink.

[Snickerdoodle Dog]

There is definitely some sort of trigger reflex from high-to-low and low-to-high toons. I consistently respond to low toons who whisper "Please be my friend" with the Sad emote and then "Sorry, I can't". More often than not, I get a negative response. I use the Sad emote when they get all stinky which tends to make them lose interest more effectively than any other method I've tried.

When I'm building a new toon and come across a big toon in TTC or the Dock. I generally let them know I am not a "true noob" by asking "What toontask are you working on". If they give the telltale "I need to defeat toons in ttc" or "I need to defeat some cog buildings", I ask "Would you like some help" or "Let's work on that". I don't ask them to be friends but will add them if they ask me. Most big toons recognize from my line of questioning that I know about the apprentice task and therefore am not a "true noob".

I have 5 over 100 laffers, a 50-something laffer and 3 ttc noobs so YES, I have walked in low-laffer...AND...high-laffer shoes.