Dawg Father's BW50 SOLO CJ!!!!

[Sir Loony McDoodle]

Absolutely amazing! You rock the bone DAWG!

[The Dogfather]

Originally Posted by Yellow Evenger

Congrats Dog father but it makes me feel like a big loser I only maxed drop and throw quicksand elephant trunk 1$ bill and Fire hose Im working on dreamland tasks and Im working on Cashbot HQ I will never be as good as you Dog father!

Oh dont feel like that. You can eventually max all of your gags then from there you can take the next step. Just take a small step at a time and before you know it you will be very prepared for your own solo. Anyone can solo, just takes some practice. One day, you will be soloing, trust me .

Originally Posted by Sir Loony McDoodle

Absolutely amazing! You rock the bone DAWG!

Thanks!

The Dogfather

[MachopMasta]

Congrats!!!! But i have a question... what summon did you get? I'm just wondering....

[Etchee]

*faints* i cant believe you did what 8 toons cannot do somtimes

lol thats a nice way to avoid shuffling.. but you must of been in there for.. about.. 1 and a half hours?

[Psaakyrn]

The best way to avoid shuffling is to get a group of 8 and head for an empty district. (pref everyone with the same suit)

[The Dogfather]

Originally Posted by pokemon59

Congrats!!!! But i have a question... what summon did you get? I'm just wondering....

Thanks! I am not sure what summon I got, but since my CJ was a BW50 CJ, I'm very sure I got a big cog summon, like a Big Cheese or Mr. Hollywood. Since I did seat only 4, I'm sure that I got a summon a cog.

Originally Posted by Etchee

*faints* i cant believe you did what 8 toons cannot do somtimes

lol thats a nice way to avoid shuffling.. but you must of been in there for.. about.. 1 and a half hours?

LOL! That for sure is the easiest way to avoid shuffling, LOL! I was in there for just a little bit over an hour. It was fun.


The Dogfather

[Yellow Evenger]

Originally Posted by The Dogfather

Oh dont feel like that. You can eventually max all of your gags then from there you can take the next step. Just take a small step at a time and before you know it you will be very prepared for your own solo. Anyone can solo, just takes some practice. One day, you will be soloing, trust me .




Thanks!

The Dogfather

sorry I thot you were calling me a noob when you said "hehe I get how he works" when Im a wild powerful Toon

[cranken]

After selecting the cannon, I waited for the timer to drop from 60 to 25 seconds before I started seating toons. During these 35 seconds I was adjusting my aim (still not seating any toons) so that when I do begin to shoot at 25 seconds I will definitely not miss. The reason I chose to shoot at 25 seconds is because it takes the cogs more than 25 seconds to retake your seat after your toon occupies one. In waiting until 25 seconds ensures that the seats you take will not get taken by cogs.

Please help me understand this strategy. When I begin the cannon round, cogs seem to start flying towards the jury seats immediately, regardless of whether I have fired my toon at a seat or not. If I wait until the timer is at 25 seconds and then shoot my toon at a seat, it is possible that a cog might still retake that seat if the cog was already in the air before I shoot my toon.

So once the timer reaches 25, are you only shooting at seats where it appears that a cog is not already heading to that seat? Is that the idea?

If this is the best cannon strategy for a solo CJ, I still do not understand why this should be the best strategy for an 8-person CJ. Do you agree? Why not fill as many seats as possible and then have as many toons as possible shoot at the seats that get re-taken by cogs? To me, the only difference seems to be that if everyone follows your strategy, at 25 seconds, no seats will be filled, whereas if everyone just shoots at seats beginning at 60 seconds, at least some seats will be filled at the 25 second mark. But either way, cogs are going to re-take some seats.

[The Dogfather]

Originally Posted by cranken

Please help me understand this strategy. When I begin the cannon round, cogs seem to start flying towards the jury seats immediately, regardless of whether I have fired my toon at a seat or not. If I wait until the timer is at 25 seconds and then shoot my toon at a seat, it is possible that a cog might still retake that seat if the cog was already in the air before I shoot my toon.

So once the timer reaches 25, are you only shooting at seats where it appears that a cog is not already heading to that seat? Is that the idea?

The idea behind this is you want to avoid having to aim and re-aim at seats you have already shot at. You dont want to spend your time trying to retake seats and moving your cannons aim all over the jury. This takes away a lot of precious time.

The cogs start flying into the jury once the timer starts. They do fly in at varying speeds (my observation). On this solo, I started shooting at 25 sec, of which one of my seats was taken. Another one for some reason my toon didnt register at the last split second. Now, I shoot at 24 sec, where only one of my seats gets taken by a cog one out of a lot of CJs.

If you wait until 24 sec, you will see that all of the seats are taken by cogs and no more cogs will fly in until you take a seat. Once you take a seat, a cog will fly in towards that seat, but it takes the cogs longer than 24 sec to reach the jury; keeping your seats occupied by your toon. As I said, every once in a while you will have a cog that seems to fly in faster than the rest and still will take one of your seats even shooting at 24 sec, but this is not very common.

Originally Posted by cranken

If this is the best cannon strategy for a solo CJ, I still do not understand why this should be the best strategy for an 8-person CJ. Do you agree? Why not fill as many seats as possible and then have as many toons as possible shoot at the seats that get re-taken by cogs? To me, the only difference seems to be that if everyone follows your strategy, at 25 seconds, no seats will be filled, whereas if everyone just shoots at seats beginning at 60 seconds, at least some seats will be filled at the 25 second mark. But either way, cogs are going to re-take some seats.

To me, this is the best strategy for any CJ. If you dont believe me, go and do a random CJ (I have done hundreds) and watch how the cannons part progresses when everyone starts at 60 sec. You see the same people shooting at the same seats over and over. Out of all these types of CJs, I have seen a minimal of 10 and 11 toon jury CJs and only 1 all toon CJ. The majority result in about 6 or 7 toons seated. Using this strategy, in a random run, I average about 3 or 4 toons seated in every CJ.

When I go in with my friends, and we all use this strategy, we usually get no less than 10. There are times where we mess up and seat 7 or 8, but more often than not we get the majority of the jury. I have been in many CJs where only 3 of us went in and have never seated less than 10 total. Out of all these 3 man CJs, we usually get 11 or even 12 seats.

Shooting at 60 sec, yes you will take up seats, but the cogs have plenty of time to fly in and take them away. If you look closely at the seats, you will see all toons, then after a while you will see all of the seats being taken back by the cogs. Once they are taken away, you have to re-aim, and shoot again at all the seats you have previously taken. You spend more time shooting and shooting again and re-aiming that lots of people dont even get a single toon in the jury. Not only do you have to worry about re-shooting and re-aiming, you also have to worry about how many shots you have left.

When a CJ with 8 toons only get 3 or 4 total in the jury is because each person shot at 60 sec, went into a frenzy of shooting everywhere and ended up with nothing. Using this strategy I outlined, at least any seat that you have taken, you know it will not get taken by a cog, leaving your mind at ease, allowing you to shoot and aim at the next seat and keeping you from going into a frenzy. The other day I did a random CJ; I myself sat 5 using this strategy. We had a total of 6 toons seated. Everyone else started shooting at 60 sec. How is it that I was able to get 5x more seats than 7 other toons? Is it that I have better experience and can shoot better? That is a possibility, but there were a few BW50s there too. To me, I think its overall due to a better strategy and not that I am better at shooting than everyone else.

If you dont believe me still, compare random CJs to CJs where everyone uses this strategy. You will see more overall toons seated in CJs where they wait until the timer goes down to 24 sec. If you dont have enough SFS to try this strategy, come on a stunless run with me so that you can see the benefits of using this strategy. If you are interested, let me know and I will PM you a district and time.

The Dogfather

[Domino Loopenmarble]

you are awesome steve! I have alot of respect fo ya!!

Only one smiley can sum this up!




Congrats!!


Claudia

[Danny]

Congrats, Dawg Father! And thanks btw, I got a couple of tips from you for my solo CJ.

Originally Posted by cranken

Please help me understand this strategy. When I begin the cannon round, cogs seem to start flying towards the jury seats immediately, regardless of whether I have fired my toon at a seat or not. If I wait until the timer is at 25 seconds and then shoot my toon at a seat, it is possible that a cog might still retake that seat if the cog was already in the air before I shoot my toon.

So once the timer reaches 25, are you only shooting at seats where it appears that a cog is not already heading to that seat? Is that the idea?

If this is the best cannon strategy for a solo CJ, I still do not understand why this should be the best strategy for an 8-person CJ. Do you agree? Why not fill as many seats as possible and then have as many toons as possible shoot at the seats that get re-taken by cogs? To me, the only difference seems to be that if everyone follows your strategy, at 25 seconds, no seats will be filled, whereas if everyone just shoots at seats beginning at 60 seconds, at least some seats will be filled at the 25 second mark. But either way, cogs are going to re-take some seats.

Everytime a seat gets taken by a toon, 20 somethin'(Not sure exactly) seconds later a cog will re-take the seat. So if you shoot at the seats with about 22-23 seconds left and you hit your target, you auto-matically have that seat taken by a toon for good... If a person shoots at a chair and hits their target with like 26 seconds left, you can pretty much kiss that seat good-bye, because a cogs gonna take it with about 1-2 seconds left.

[Silly Spotty]

Congratulations. I am as awed by you as everyone else. You are very dedicated to everything you take on. And you have exceptional skills. Not just in your game play, but in your ability to teach people, and have the patience to show try to show us all you know. You are an exceptional person. I don't want this answered, just thinking out loud: I wonder what you do in real life and how you've helped everyone around you.

You've given alot of people someone great to look up to. That in itself is a very honorable achievement.

Congratulations again.

[The Dogfather]

Thanks everyone !

Originally Posted by Silly Spotty

I wonder what you do in real life and how you've helped everyone around you.

Thanks for the kind words. What I do in life, at the moment I am a student, pursuing a career in science and medicine.


The Dogfather

[Witchy Da Mom]

Originally Posted by Silly Spotty

Congratulations. I am as awed by you as everyone else. You are very dedicated to everything you take on. And you have exceptional skills. Not just in your game play, but in your ability to teach people, and have the patience to show try to show us all you know. You are an exceptional person. I don't want this answered, just thinking out loud: I wonder what you do in real life and how you've helped everyone around you.

You've given alot of people someone great to look up to. That in itself is a very honorable achievement.

Congratulations again.

I concur. The DogFather is an intelligent, extraordinary, and exceptional person. His postings and input has guided me as I navigate and learn about the dynamics of toontown. Above all, he is kind and patient to those who seek his advice and assistance.

Have a wonderful day.

[cranken]

Originally Posted by The Dogfather

If you wait until 24 sec, you will see that all of the seats are taken by cogs and no more cogs will fly in until you take a seat. Once you take a seat, a cog will fly in towards that seat, but it takes the cogs longer than 24 sec to reach the jury; keeping your seats occupied by your toon. As I said, every once in a while you will have a cog that seems to fly in faster than the rest and still will take one of your seats even shooting at 24 sec, but this is not very common.

Thanks. I did not realize that cogs will stop flying in after the cogs fill all of the jury seats. That definitely makes the "wait until 24 seconds" strategy best for a solo run or a run where everybody knows and follows the strategy.

I am surprised to hear that the strategy still works with random toons that do not know about the strategy, but I'll defer to your expertise and experience. More importantly, I'll start using your strategy in all CJ runs and will report if my results differ.

Everyone who does CJs should note: Do not fill any jury seats until the timer is down to 24 seconds!!