I can't believe this...

[Jdsfrog94]

Ugh, some toons are soooo mean! I needed a lot of Cog Bucks, so I went into the Bullion Mint. I was with two dogs and a duck(of which I can't repeat the names).

When we got to that part where it splits with cogs on each side of the room, I said 'I need more Cog Bucks', then, 'Let's go Fight the Cogs!'. So we did the first battle, and as I started to go to the others, the other toons kept moving on! I said 'Wait!' 'I need more Cog Bucks.'. And what do you know, they kept on moving... Fortunately, next was the very last battle, but I kept begging to go back to the other cogs. And then, all the suddon, the two dogs started stinking me like crazy! I kept saying sorry, but they kept stinking me.

So I just went with them onto the last battle. I said 'I'm going to use lure.' And so I did and nobody chose anything, but at the last minute the duck chose sound, and said 'Ha Ha!'. Then they stinked me some more. So the cogs did full attacks on us, and we all needed toonups. But then they only used solo toon-ups for everyone BUT me! I would have lured but they did it at the last minute again and I was already using sound, saying 'Let's use Sound!'. They stinked me again and used toon-up for eachother. So I ended up getting killed. And as I dissapeared they stinked me some more.

So there I was in DDL, sad. Since they probably finished the last battle, they ended up teleporting to DDL. I saw one of the toons, and he whispered to me 'Ha Ha!' 'You stink!'. I whispered ':-('. Then he whispered 'Don't be mean!'.

The nerve of some toons... All I know is that I'm NEVER going in any battle with them again.

[Flippers]

First off, dont tell them sorry. It's not your fault and entirely theirs.

Second, when you dont trust anyone, pull the gag last. The cogs take no prisoners, and go for those who pulled a gag and/or the biggest gag above anyone else.

Third: Gain the upper hand by taking the cogs down. Got level 7 gags? It's that or lose all of them. Get yer bucks and get out intact.

[King Daffy Dandytooth]

Grrr.... I so hate these mean toons!! If I see even ONE more toon being mean to another toon I'll resolve it quickly.

Mean toons=

Nice toons=

[Sunlyt]

It's easy to deal with this kind of matter, Say "Ha ha!" "Bye!" then leave the mint and go with other people.

[Wolfeh]

Originally Posted by Jdsfrog94

Ugh, some toons are soooo mean! I needed a lot of Cog Bucks, so I went into the Bullion Mint. I was with two dogs and a duck(of which I can't repeat the names).

Dude that so totally stinks.

What they did to you was called griefing, and it's against the TTO rules. Next time you're in a situation like that, which hopefully you won't be, have a plan in place. Do you ever VP? If so, have a Barnacle Bessie on hand. In that situation, you could have called on Bessie (provided the cogs aren't going to be lured) and she would have done a 170 drop on each cog, leaving only the 12 remaining, and at that point, just kill the 12 and you're out of there. Either that, or as someone else mentioned, use a level 7 gag. If it doesn't kill them, at the very least, it'll weaken them and then you can start picking them off one at a time (or all at once depending on what other gags you have remaining).

Also you could have made use of a Franz Neckvein(sp?), whose drop is 100pts per cog, Moe Zart (80pt sound) or Flippy (124pt toonup). The idea would be to stay there and get rid of the cogs, even if you have to do it yourself. If their attempt to weed you out then finish is foiled, then they'll have griefed themselves.

Also, you could try deception and misleading. Pull out fog, then click to go back on your gag choice and pick lure, so that when they're all tooning each other up, you'll be luring the cogs. Another example is to say that you're going to be using lure (click lure and back out of it) so that when one of them picks sound, they'll get more of the damage. Of course, that's when you could choose something like an SOS drop, or regular drop (paino) and get rid of one of the cogs. The sound acts as a good stunning tool (better than nothing at all) and would be one less cog to deal with.

The ideas are out there, and I'm sure you could come up with some of your own. Just plan ahead on what you will do the next time you're in a situation like that, and have it ready for action. Also, take screenshots and get their gag information, so that you can send it all to TTO so that they can look into it. Enough reports and something is bound to happen to them (keywords being "bound to", not "definitely will").

I know this doesn't help, but just mark this one up as a learning experience on how to handle something like this in the future.

[Kingfireball]

[quote=Jdsfrog94;1767112]Ugh, some toons are soooo mean! I needed a lot of Cog Bucks, so I went into the Bullion Mint. I was with two dogs and a duck(of which I can't repeat the names).

When we got to that part where it splits with cogs on each side of the room, I said 'I need more Cog Bucks', then, 'Let's go Fight the Cogs!'. So we did the first battle, and as I started to go to the others, the other toons kept moving on! I said 'Wait!' 'I need more Cog Bucks.'. And what do you know, they kept on moving... Fortunately, next was the very last battle, but I kept begging to go back to the other cogs. And then, all the suddon, the two dogs started stinking me like crazy! I kept saying sorry, but they kept stinking me.

So I just went with them onto the last battle. I said 'I'm going to use lure.' And so I did and nobody chose anything, but at the last minute the duck chose sound, and said 'Ha Ha!'. Then they stinked me some more. So the cogs did full attacks on us, and we all needed toonups. But then they only used solo toon-ups for everyone BUT me! I would have lured but they did it at the last minute again and I was already using sound, saying 'Let's use Sound!'. They stinked me again and used toon-up for eachother. So I ended up getting killed. And as I dissapeared they stinked me some more.

So there I was in DDL, sad. Since they probably finished the last battle, they ended up teleporting to DDL. I saw one of the toons, and he whispered to me 'Ha Ha!' 'You stink!'. I whispered ':-('. Then he whispered 'Don't be mean!'.

The nerve of some toons... All I know is that I'm NEVER going in any battle with them again.[/QUOTE

To he honest 40% of it was your fault. Try not to push it too much. Besides 4 cogs would only give about 40 cogbucks.(5X2X4) And you could easily solo a three storey bld and get about the same amount if not more, seeing you can actually enter the bullion mint elevator. But i would say it was mainly them. They arn't the kind of toons that nice. They are the kind that thinks they are the best and nobody else. If you even give them a suggestion they will not listen. Then when they make a booboo beasuse they didn't listen they would say but you didn't tell me! Just ignor them they are like 10 yrs old... I understand you posted not because you died, but because someone forcd you to die.

[Wolfeh]

Originally Posted by Kingfireball

To he honest 40% of it was your fault. Try not to push it too much. Besides 4 cogs would only give about 40 cogbucks.(5X2X4) And you could easily solo a three storey bld and get about the same amount if not more, seeing you can actually enter the bullion mint elevator. But i would say it was mainly them. They arn't the kind of toons that nice. They are the kind that thinks they are the best and nobody else. If you even give them a suggestion they will not listen. Then when they make a booboo beasuse they didn't listen they would say but you didn't tell me! Just ignor them they are like 10 yrs old... I understand you posted not because you died, but because someone forcd you to die.

So it's 40% their fault that they got griefed? No offense but that's stupid. (Not saying that you are stupid, only that claim/comment it).

Your logic is the same as saying that a carjacking victim is 40% at fault because they were driving a car.

Aside from that, your calculations are off on the number of cogbucks. Without a bonus of any kind, 11,10,10,10 would get you 21 bucks. Doubling that at least would get you 42 bucks. Being in the bullion, it goes up even more. (I haven't learned the exact math yet, but it's more than 40 bucks, I know that much.)

But regardless of that, if you could battle 8 cogs and get at the minimum of 80 bucks (by your own calculation), then why should someone go solo 1 or 2 buildings to get the same amount of bucks? If they had great mint runs and then found that they only needed 40 more, then I could understand taking a building instead of doing a mint - unless it's in an invasion district, because then you don't know what invasion will be coming next and that could mess up the run completely.

If they're in an invasion district, that alone somewhat forces a player to use mints for cogbucks unless they are near a building that when a cashbot invasion starts and they know they can defeat the building either before the invasion ends, or at least hold off the cogs on the last floor until a new one begins.

All in all, when someone is griefed, then more times than not, they are 0% at fault, unless you count "being there" as their fault. The reason I said "more times than not" is because sometimes, a griefer gets griefed, and they brought it on themselves.

[Kingfireball]

Originally Posted by Wolfeh

So it's 40% their fault that they got griefed? No offense but that's stupid. (Not saying that you are stupid, only that claim/comment it).

Your logic is the same as saying that a carjacking victim is 40% at fault because they were driving a car.

Aside from that, your calculations are off on the number of cogbucks. Without a bonus of any kind, 11,10,10,10 would get you 21 bucks. Doubling that at least would get you 42 bucks. Being in the bullion, it goes up even more. (I haven't learned the exact math yet, but it's more than 40 bucks, I know that much.)

But regardless of that, if you could battle 8 cogs and get at the minimum of 80 bucks (by your own calculation), then why should someone go solo 1 or 2 buildings to get the same amount of bucks? If they had great mint runs and then found that they only needed 40 more, then I could understand taking a building instead of doing a mint - unless it's in an invasion district, because then you don't know what invasion will be coming next and that could mess up the run completely.

If they're in an invasion district, that alone somewhat forces a player to use mints for cogbucks unless they are near a building that when a cashbot invasion starts and they know they can defeat the building either before the invasion ends, or at least hold off the cogs on the last floor until a new one begins.

All in all, when someone is griefed, then more times than not, they are 0% at fault, unless you count "being there" as their fault. The reason I said "more times than not" is because sometimes, a griefer gets griefed, and they brought it on themselves.

I kinda doubt you know what i meant. But hey, not every1 understands every1.
I meant that it was partly her fauly she got griefed, because she was pushing it too hard. I mean, its just like 40-44 bucks for 4 cogs. And no, you would NOT get 20-22 bucks from the 1 set of cogs, because its ALWAYS bdoubled in fac/mint/offices. So your the one who has the wrong calculations. Plus 40 is within the range of 40-44 and 42 and 40 bucks is NOT a big difference. Also, in her post she pointed out that they defeated one set of cogs already, meaning there are only 4 cogs left. And the carjacking is a TOTALLY different thing. If you read the post carefully, she pointed out she was telling the other toons to just defeat the other 4 sets of cogs. Speaking of totally different things, how would you like it when you can hit the scale in CJ from far away and someone continually tells you to come up close? Not very pleasent. People would sooner or later get ticked off. Woudn't you? So it was partially her fault. And who the heck would go to an invasion district to do blds?
Invasion distrcits have almost NO blds. Also, no1 is stupid enough, so don't bring up that point plz. Getting off topic. Don't disagree someones post if you don't completly understand what they are trying to say.

[Wolfeh]

Originally Posted by Wolfeh

Aside from that, your calculations are off on the number of cogbucks. Without a bonus of any kind, 11,10,10,10 would get you 21 bucks. Doubling that at least would get you 42 bucks. Being in the bullion, it goes up even more. (I haven't learned the exact math yet, but it's more than 40 bucks, I know that much.)

Originally Posted by Kingfireball

I meant that it was partly her fauly she got griefed, because she was pushing it too hard. I mean, its just like 40-44 bucks for 4 cogs. And no, you would NOT get 20-22 bucks from the 1 set of cogs, because its ALWAYS bdoubled in fac/mint/offices. So your the one who has the wrong calculations. Plus 40 is within the range of 40-44 and 42 and 40 bucks is NOT a big difference. Also, in her post she pointed out that they defeated one set of cogs already, meaning there are only 4 cogs left.

Re-read what I said. I already covered the doubling effect of the bucks when I said "Double that" and I also said "at least", meaning that I know it would be more than what I was mentioning, but that it's still more than the number you chose. Someone told me that since it's the bullion, it's most likely something like 63 bucks for a 11,10,10,10 set of cogs. That's a lot of bucks for just 1 set, so to say to skip that set and do a building instead is rather stupid. Then there's the point of there being an invasion.. Instead of 63, it'd be 126 (instead of 84) bucks. I don't know about you, but that's 42 bucks right there, the same as doing another set and only getting double value instead of triple value, without an invasion.

Originally Posted by Kingfireball

And who the heck would go to an invasion district to do blds?
Invasion distrcits have almost NO blds. Also, no1 is stupid enough, so don't bring up that point plz.

How can you speak for everyone? There are still new players who get into Nutty River, not realizing why there are constant invasions, so they don't think about it when they go into a building. Likewise with people who are used to being in NR, they are so used to doing factory/mint/DA runs that they tend to forget that buildings have the invasion cog and not necessarily the type of cog that the building is for.

Originally Posted by Kingfireball

Don't disagree someones post if you don't completly understand what they are trying to say.

Sounds like someone else could stand to follow that same advice, eh?



All in all, what they did to her was wrong, and she didn't bring it on herself. When she said that she needed more bucks, they should have helped her out. By your own admission, it's only 1 set of cogs. What's the big deal with doing just 1 more set? It's not like it'll delay the run by 20 or 30 minutes. They simply were rude to her and blaming her for their actions just doesn't make any sense.

[Purplesmirk]

Hey, Wolfeh! You have the Mint Bucks calculations posted in your sticky over in Sell HQ on Factory Merits!

The Bucks values for the Coin Mints are calculated by "rounding" the odd numbered cogs up to the next even number, AND an 8 point overall "Bonus" is given for completing the Mint. With an invasion, the "Bonus" is not doubled, only the Bucks earned through Cog killing calculated as stated above.

For the Dollar Mint, the Bucks values are calculated the same as with the Coin EXCEPT: there is a 1.25 Multiplier for the "basic" Bucks earned by Cog killing AND the "Bonus" is 14 Bucks.

For the Bullion Mint, the Bucks values are calculated the same as with the Coin EXCEPT: there is a 1.50 Multiplier for the "basic" Bucks earned by Cog killing AND the "Bonus" is 20 Bucks.

Again, during invasions, the "basic" Bucks are doubled, but the "Bonus" is not.

An example is:

Bullion Mint Floor 2:

Level 12's = 1 x 12 = 12 Bucks,
Level 11's = 16, so 16 x 12 = 192 Bucks, and
Level 10's = 19 x 10 = 190 Bucks

Therefore:

12 + 192 + 190 = 394 x 1.5 = 591 + 20 (Bonus) = 611 Bucks without invasion

With invasion: 591 x 2 = 1,182 + 20 (Bonus) = 1,202 Bucks

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So, if the group of four cogs is 11, 10, 10, 10:

Coin Mint the value would be:

11 + 10 + 10 + 10 = 41 + 1 (for rounding the odd numbered cog up) = 42 Bucks; with Invasion x 2 = 84 Bucks

Dollar Mint the value would be:

42 (from Coin Mint Calculation) x 1.25 for Dollar Mint = 52.5 Bucks or 53 Bucks as rounded; with Invasion x 2 = 105 Bucks

Bullion Mint value would be:

42 (from Coin Mint Calculation) x 1.50 for Bullion Mint = 63 Bucks; with Invasion x 2 = 126 Bucks

I have an Excel spreadsheet that lists the numbers of cogs & skels by level and shows how many of each are optional (can be skipped without glitching) by Mint by Floor. The spreadsheet has the Bucks calculations as described above and I have not found it to be wrong. The only data missing is the Dollar Mint Floor #18. The spreadsheet doesn't show calculations for each group of cogs, only for the entire Mint Floor.

I hope this helps the discussion about how many Bucks the skipped group(s) would have had. Bottom line, I agree with Wolfeh, if you need the Bucks, don't skip groups in the Mints - especially Dollar or Bullion. But, even in the Coin Mint the hypothetical group described would be worth 84 Bucks with an Invasion - not a bad payback for a one round or two round battle rather than finding a building.

See you around,

Purplesmirk

[Wolfeh]

Originally Posted by Purplesmirk

I have an Excel spreadsheet that lists the numbers of cogs & skels by level and shows how many of each are optional (can be skipped without glitching) by Mint by Floor. The spreadsheet has the Bucks calculations as described above and I have not found it to be wrong. The only data missing is the Dollar Mint Floor #18. The spreadsheet doesn't show calculations for each group of cogs, only for the entire Mint Floor.

Using what I've learned from the factory, that's how I had initially come up with 42bucks (again saying "at least" that many since I knew it had to be more). I just didn't know how the entire thing panned out until you explained it. Thank you.

Originally Posted by Jdsfrog94

When we got to that part where it splits with cogs on each side of the room, I said 'I need more Cog Bucks', then, 'Let's go Fight the Cogs!'. So we did the first battle, and as I started to go to the others, the other toons kept moving on! I said 'Wait!' 'I need more Cog Bucks.'. And what do you know, they kept on moving... Fortunately, next was the very last battle, but I kept begging to go back to the other cogs. And then, all the suddon, the two dogs started stinking me like crazy! I kept saying sorry, but they kept stinking me.

Originally Posted by Kingfireball

Also, in her post she pointed out that they defeated one set of cogs already, meaning there are only 4 cogs left.

I forgot to mention earlier that she never said that they defeated one of the 2 sets. The room she is referring to is the mint-pipe room, where you have 4 sets of cogs, with 2 sets of 11,11,10,10 at the front and back of the room, and 11,10,10,10 on both sides of the room. The ones on the sides you can skip past, and from the sounds of it, they did just that. I don't gather that either set were engaged, so not only did she lose 126 potential bucks from one set, but another 126 from the other set as well. So in total, she was being ripped off by 252 bucks before losing it all because of the griefers. Again, they chose to grief her, and from the sounds of it, even from re-reading her post, they had no reason to do that to her.

[Truly Scrumtuous]

There's absolutely no call for being treated like that by other toons. Its bad enough having to get cogbucks as it is, without having to lose out on them because toons can't take time to do a couple more sets.

Sorry you had the misfortune to run with these toons - lets hope you have better luck next time you need your bucks!!