Craning Etiquette?

[holibeck]

What is the general consensus on crane hopping? Should a toon stay with his or her crane after they get knocked off, or should other toons hop on?

I don’t hop on cranes unless it is at the beginning of the battle or the crane is abandoned and the battle is getting thick – do or die kind of thing.

I don’t care if I crane or stomp; I am good at both, but when I crane I like staying with it. I guess I get in a groove. Some toons wait for you to get knocked off then hop on, or worse yet stand by doing nothing saying, "May I operate the crane"

Any thoughts?

[Trish]

I really hate it when they stand there waiting for me to get knocked off and don't stomp for me. I have a way of taking care of these toons but I can't post it as I don't want them to grow aware of what I'm doing. I am a much better craner than stomper, but if I don't get a crane in the beginning, I just stay a stomper till I see a crane's open WHILE I AM STOMPING.

[Wolfeh]

Originally Posted by holibeck

What is the general consensus on crane hopping? Should a toon stay with his or her crane after they get knocked off, or should other toons hop on?

I think it depends. If another toon is gooning (or stomping as you refer to it), and they see you get knocked off so they hop on, they may be reacting to the fact that you may need to go around and get presents to toon back up, meanwhile they plan to operate the crane to keep fighting in your place. For those that are asking if they can operate the crane, say to them to please disable the goons. I bet that they'll either get to it, or most likely go sad standing around waiting to get their spoiled little way. (BEFORE the 2nd half of the cfo is when to sort it out, not in the middle of the battle).

Originally Posted by Trish

I have a way of taking care of these toons but I can't post it as I don't want them to grow aware of what I'm doing.

You're invited to PM me with that bit of information, as I'm always in for learning ideas, especially to teach self centers a lesson.


For what its worth to anyone who thinks craning is overly difficult, I have this to say..

I'm sure that I was on a team that had good craners, so I'm not claiming any credit for the success of our CFO's, but... During the last couple of CFO's, I stood right in front of the door/hatch, enough distance to not get -1 when it opens, but close enough to jump and land on the goon before its light comes on, disabling it a.s.a.p. Didn't work every time, but I was accused of being a goon hog because I was getting almost every one of them. I noticed a few minutes later that the other side had a few goons roaming about. The key is to try to get the goon as quickly as possible, so you can be ready for the next one.

I say good craners, because no goon that I disabled had a chance to recover. That helped my task out because I only had to worry about disabling new goons, which helped the craners (not worrying about goons hitting them, and only having to grab the goons from one spot). Basically, it was a mutual benefit for and from both sides.

The best time to learn to crane is when you will have 3 very experienced craners (that act as though they are 4 or 5 craners) and 4 excellent gooners. Better if one of those gooners is also an excellent craner, because that person can stand near the one training, to be their 'guardian angel' and to take over if necessary.

I personally prefer to not crane, because I think I stink at it. I'm not to great at disabling goons, but I do better at that, and therefore that's where I am best for the team.

[Zidane]

Originally Posted by holibeck

What is the general consensus on crane hopping? Should a toon stay with his or her crane after they get knocked off, or should other toons hop on?

I don’t hop on cranes unless it is at the beginning of the battle or the crane is abandoned and the battle is getting thick – do or die kind of thing.

I don’t care if I crane or stomp; I am good at both, but when I crane I like staying with it. I guess I get in a groove. Some toons wait for you to get knocked off then hop on, or worse yet stand by doing nothing saying, "May I operate the crane"

Any thoughts?

I hate it when toons stand around my crane waiting for me to get knocked off. I would reccommend taking someone's crane unless the say 'Please, take it.' You should wait to take it if you see them hop off to disable goons, I used to do that all the time since sometimes many people would be running around grabbing treasures instead of disabling goons. I know this is a bit off topic, but please stay by 1 toon and disable their goons. Running around in a circle does not work as well, often times goons come out just after you ran past it. You will find the CFO will go much quicker in an 8p cfo, if its 1 goon disabler per 1 craner. In a 6p CFO, I would recommend 3 craners, and 3 goon disablers, or 4 craners 2 goon disablers, depending on how good your gooners are.

[Bnkzsahm]

Personally, if someone stands in front of me in order to get me knocked off the crane, you can bet your booty that they won't be getting any help from me. I think it's just down right rude to take a crane from someone when they've been knocked off, if they wanted to give up their crane, they'd leave it, not get knocked off of it.

I don't mind doing goons, but prefer cranes (although I'm good at both). If you've got awesome gooners then the crane round should take 5 minutes tops (with good craners)...the toons running around whining for the crane aren't helping the team one bit and get no sympathy from me.

And as someone else said, running around the CFO in circles does absolutely NO good! Pick one craner and guard them, if you stand next to the hatch you can nail the goons right away and nobody gets hurt, AND you get a nice stock pile of TU's for if it gets ugly later.

If you don't get on the crane right off the bat, pick a craner and start stomping! Working as a team is a whole lot more important than who's doing what (unless you've got someone throwing safes).

Bnkzsahm

[magmo25]

Originally Posted by Trish

I have a way of taking care of these toons but I can't post it as I don't want them to grow aware of what I'm doing.

Could you please PM me? i NEED to know that...

Anyway, if all the people on the cranes are people that do that(they normaly are), then watch the c.f.o's head, follow it and take revenge when he attacks em...


PS: i dont take revenge, but u might want to...

[PinkyPurpleberry]

I hate when toons steal my crane just because the cfo chose to hit me with some gears. It takes a few seconds to recover and get back to work. I wont abandon the crane unless I'm down to less then 40 laff and thats only to grab one or two treasures, I then am ready to continue craning. If I lose the crane during that time, well thats fair I guess, but when its 3 seconds from gears theres no excuse. As Trish said, I too have my ways of dealing with these toons.

[Wolfeh]

Originally Posted by Bnkzsahm

And as someone else said, running around the CFO in circles does absolutely NO good! Pick one craner and guard them, if you stand next to the hatch you can nail the goons right away and nobody gets hurt, AND you get a nice stock pile of TU's for if it gets ugly later.

If you don't get on the crane right off the bat, pick a craner and start stomping! Working as a team is a whole lot more important than who's doing what (unless you've got someone throwing safes).

I believe that's the best way to keep ahead, is to stun/disable them as soon as they come out. But best to have 2 there at the door. One as the first attack, the 2nd as back up (in case the first one misses or multiples start coming out). Then the craners only have to pick the goons from one spot and only worry about getting hit by the gears. I remember one time running with a group that had craners that could kick some major booty (putting it very mildly). A lot of times I didn't have a chance to stun a goon, they were already picked up and being thrown at the CFO. It was like being on a vacation through that one. I'm not complaining either, because I think it only goes to show that when you have people working together, it can be done quickly. (We disabled a few goons, which helped the craners to pick them, but when they were caught up, they got the goons, helping us to be ready for the next one to come out... team work!)

Anyone who doesn't think that way will doom most boss runs. (When my laff starts getting low, yes, I start going into survival mode, but that's to get laff back up so I can continue to help fight for us all to win, but I think everyone does that:13b

[Ozziebear]

Hmmm,
Yes, I will steal your crane, if I see you throwing a safe while the CFO is not dizzy. If I'm craning, I will steal your safe in mid air if you throw it then too. I have 2 Baron 50 toons and I craned 95% of the time maxing them out. So I'd say I can crane better than most. I don't mind gooning to give others a chance to learn. But you should know to never throw a safe while the CFO is not dizzy before attempting to crane. I prefer to beat the CFO without losing any toons. So there is a time during battle in which I will take over a crane so we can win. Which, by the way, is the reason your there in the first place.

[Wolfeh]

Originally Posted by Ozziebear

Hmmm,
Yes, I will steal your crane, if I see you throwing a safe while the CFO is not dizzy. If I'm craning, I will steal your safe in mid air if you throw it then too. I have 2 Baron 50 toons and I craned 95% of the time maxing them out. So I'd say I can crane better than most. I don't mind gooning to give others a chance to learn. But you should know to never throw a safe while the CFO is not dizzy before attempting to crane. I prefer to beat the CFO without losing any toons. So there is a time during battle in which I will take over a crane so we can win. Which, by the way, is the reason your there in the first place.

I remember my first CFO (may have been the second).. I tried the crane. I hopped off as soon as I accidentally put a safe on him. I figured, "Ok, I messed up, I better let someone on who knows what they're doing..."

OffT: By the way.. 118? You finally caught that Concord?

[LadyZippyBoingenpretzel]

There is no such thing as "stealing" a crane, as they are not labeled with names and they belong to no one in particular. I know you're talking about those who stand there waiting for you to get knocked off, and I don't like that either, but only because they're not pulling their weight - not because they're "stealing". I don't care if I crane or stomp, but if you get knocked off and there's a lot of action going on you better believe I will hop on if there is anything I can do to help while you are unable to get back on. More times than I can count, that has been the only clear crane and I have been able to remove the safe or heave the last shot during a goon crisis. I will hop off as soon as you can get back on - but not if you stink me over it! Now, if there's not much to worry about I won't hop on...but I have gotten drawn onto the crane while stomping nearby, so please keep in mind that this DOES happen and don't automatically assume the worst as so many do. Again - if you stink me, I am unlikely to want to do anything special for you. The key is teamwork. Do whatever needs to be done at the time it needs doing.

[ErDoc4444]

Personally, I know I am better at stomping than I am craning. I only attempt to crane when I am with my SFS and there SFS because I know they are good at it, so if I screw up they can cover for me. If I were ever to do a run on the CFO without them, I would immediately say that I prefer to stomp.

[Mister Jellyroll BananaGoober]

Originally Posted by Bnkzsahm

Personally, if someone stands in front of me in order to get me knocked off the crane, you can bet your booty that they won't be getting any help from me. I think it's just down right rude to take a crane from someone when they've been knocked off, if they wanted to give up their crane, they'd leave it, not get knocked off of it.

I don't mind doing goons, but prefer cranes (although I'm good at both). If you've got awesome gooners then the crane round should take 5 minutes tops (with good craners)...the toons running around whining for the crane aren't helping the team one bit and get no sympathy from me.

And as someone else said, running around the CFO in circles does absolutely NO good! Pick one craner and guard them, if you stand next to the hatch you can nail the goons right away and nobody gets hurt, AND you get a nice stock pile of TU's for if it gets ugly later.


If you don't get on the crane right off the bat, pick a craner and start stomping! Working as a team is a whole lot more important than who's doing what (unless you've got someone throwing safes).

Bnkzsahm

Agreed. If someone takes my crane while I was using it and I only need 10 laff points, that is rude. The CFO hits me sometimes but that doesn't mean toons should go and take it. If I really need laff points I'll walk away. But If I just get hit once that's no excuse.

[_Holly_]

I would never steal a crane from someone unless they were purposely safing the CFO or so clueless they were messing the whole thing up.

I have a more specific question referring to crane etiquette. I was at a CCG run on my black cat. A certain 120 laff toon stood there the whole time, not stomping, and waited for me to get knocked off. Inevitably I did. I asked her politely if I could have the crane back and she ignored me. I was pretty annoyed and decided that there was no way I would do her a favor by stomping for her.

While we were dancing I got a lot of "Are you new here?"s and people telling me to "Please disable the goons." Here's my question: Was what I did considered innapropriate because of the effect it may have had on the group, or because I was playing a toon low in laff and suit? Is it deemed okay for a RB 50 to "steal" a crane from a lower suit?

Even on my RB 50 toon I don't expect to get the crane every time. When we have a good group of craners I'm happy to give up the crane to a toon who needs practice.

[Wolfeh]

Originally Posted by _Holly_

I would never steal a crane from someone unless they were purposely safing the CFO or so clueless they were messing the whole thing up.

First time I went on a run, I accidentally put a safe on his head. I hopped right off, because I knew "oops, I messed up" and I wanted to win, so was happy to get off the crane and let someone else take over...

Originally Posted by _Holly_

I have a more specific question referring to crane etiquette. I was at a CCG run on my black cat. A certain 120 laff toon stood there the whole time, not stomping, and waited for me to get knocked off. Inevitably I did. I asked her politely if I could have the crane back and she ignored me. I was pretty annoyed and decided that there was no way I would do her a favor by stomping for her.

While we were dancing I got a lot of "Are you new here?"s and people telling me to "Please disable the goons." Here's my question: Was what I did considered innapropriate because of the effect it may have had on the group, or because I was playing a toon low in laff and suit? Is it deemed okay for a RB 50 to "steal" a crane from a lower suit?

I would have done a "That wasn't nice!" and "Don't be mean!" when they were on display during the dance. What they did was rude, selfcentered and as far as the team is concerned, was very inconsiderate. When spending time watching you and waiting for you to get knocked off, they were leaving others open for attack from the goons. Each player is a resource, and she made herself a wasted resource, putting a strain on the others. During the time she was waiting for you to get knocked off, she could have been helping the team. While I can see it being argued that to not stomp for her would be against the team as well, the difference is that you did it to help the others. Also, if she is looking out only for herself, then why help her when she might be working against the rest of the team? Overall, it may not have been the best or most appropriate action to take, but I personally can't fault you for it.