Craning Etiquette?

[Cool Corny ELectrofoot]

On the topic about goon hoging, what in the world? The point of the CFO is to win, not to look good. At the beggining of the battle there are 4 stompers atleast (unless not 8 people). You don't need 4 people to stomp 4 goons. I don't mind if someone is just moving around watching out for goons. I will only get angry if someone is sitting there and DOING NOTHING. Meaning the toon could be AFK. The last time that happened, I will honestly say, I sent the toon back to the PG. I did'nt play my best effort until she was back at the PG. Now I am not going to put other toons who actually are attempting to help win the CFO at risk at all. And if we were at risk at all I would turn up the heat. But I am not going to sit there and do all of the work in the CFO while some toon goes to Ice Cream even though I know I could make it without that toon.

Anyway, I know I got off topic, but as far is goon hoging goes, if someone is actually attempting to try to goon that's okay. If it's an SF (or anyone) who I know is lagging, that it okay too.

Now about stealing cranes. If I am in a random CFO run with not very experienced toons and someone goes to steal my crane, I am not going to stink the person or anything. But if I see the toon is clueless and is throwing safes than I'll ask to crane. Especially with lower suited, unexperienced toons, I know they are'nt going to have a great chance of winning if I'm not on crane.

So, you take my crane, Okay, but now the pressure is on you. I will goon. But if you go sad that's your fault.

~CcE

[Wolfeh]

Originally Posted by Cool Corny ELectrofoot

On the topic about goon hoging, what in the world? The point of the CFO is to win, not to look good. At the beggining of the battle there are 4 stompers atleast (unless not 8 people). You don't need 4 people to stomp 4 goons. I don't mind if someone is just moving around watching out for goons. I will only get angry if someone is sitting there and DOING NOTHING.

The way I think is ideal for play (ideal to start with, obviously you change as needed), is for 2 gooners/stompers to be covering the hatches, while the other 2 are backed up some. The the craners are able to do their thing. Goon comes out, they get stomped. If the goon makes it past or something goes wrong, the backup person is there. Either way, the goon should end up quickly disabled. Sometimes the hatch doesn't open for awhile and I feel like I'm going to look like I'm being useless. But as soon as that door opens, WHAM! I am trying to get it. As for the goon hogging, it wasn't to look good, but to give an example of a good CFO run and a strategy that pays off. I don't care if I only get 1 goon, or all but 1, so long as we win. If I only manage to get 1, it's not from a lack of trying.

Originally Posted by Cool Corny ELectrofoot

Now about stealing cranes. If I am in a random CFO run with not very experienced toons and someone goes to steal my crane, I am not going to stink the person or anything. But if I see the toon is clueless and is throwing safes than I'll ask to crane. Especially with lower suited, unexperienced toons, I know they are'nt going to have a great chance of winning if I'm not on crane.

Earlier today (about 7pm eastern time), we had a run that started off good, but then goons started piling up, people weren't on cranes (because of the goons), and on the other side of the CFO, I saw something incredibly stupid.. A safe right at the hatch door. Yeah ok, wonderful idea.. In exchange for letting us kill a few of his goons, we are letting him get a helmet. Awesome idea! I rather stink at craning, but I've read up enough and seen enough to know, that was hurting us beyond belief. I bailed. No point in staying because we had already lost 2 or 3 others, goons were everywhere, I was about to go sad, and those left either had no idea what they were doing, or worse, they did know.

Wish you had been there, I'd have welcomed you to 'steal' the crane from them...

[holibeck]

Originally Posted by Wolfeh

Earlier today (about 7pm eastern time), we had a run that started off good, but then goons started piling up, people weren't on cranes (because of the goons), and on the other side of the CFO, I saw something incredibly stupid.. A safe right at the hatch door. Yeah ok, wonderful idea.. In exchange for letting us kill a few of his goons, we are letting him get a helmet. Awesome idea! I rather stink at craning, but I've read up enough and seen enough to know, that was hurting us beyond belief. I bailed. No point in staying because we had already lost 2 or 3 others, goons were everywhere, I was about to go sad, and those left either had no idea what they were doing, or worse, they did know.

Wish you had been there, I'd have welcomed you to 'steal' the crane from them...

OK, sorry about this, but why is putting a safe at the hatch door a bad idea? I still have a few things to learn

Originally Posted by Cool Corny ELectrofoot

But if I see the toon is clueless and is throwing safes than I'll ask to crane. Especially with lower suited, unexperienced toons, I know they are'nt going to have a great chance of winning if I'm not on crane.
So, you take my crane, Okay, but now the pressure is on you. I will goon. But if you go sad that's your fault.

Yes CCE, I agree. I usually don't ask though when it gets to that point, and I usually don't have to because the inexperienced toon panics and abandons crane.
BTW, if you’re looking for new apprentices for battling the bosses solo, my hand is raised. Do you take credit card?

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Originally Posted by LadyZippyBoingenpretzel

There is no such thing as "stealing" a crane, as they are not labeled with names and they belong to no one in particular. I know you're talking about those who stand there waiting for you to get knocked off, and I don't like that either, but only because they're not pulling their weight - not because they're "stealing". I don't care if I crane or stomp, but if you get knocked off and there's a lot of action going on you better believe I will hop on if there is anything I can do to help while you are unable to get back on.

Thanks for your input LZB. I think the operating word here is "UNABLE". I'm sure we have all experienced the toons - big and small - take our crane just as we get geared. The question then remains - is a few seconds to get up and wait for the controls to reactivate make one unable?
I think it centers around courtesy, which is what etiquette defines for us as we interact with one another. Isn't it ironic how TT mimics life?

Thanks everyone for your input!

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[Flippers]

Originally Posted by holibeck

OK, sorry about this, but why is putting a safe at the hatch door a bad idea? I still have a few things to learn

Unless there are one or two craners on the other side, blocking the door means no goons to stun the CFO with on that side.

While it is conceivable to have four craners with one side stunning and one safing, you cannot guarantee which side the door will open and how often. And after yea seconds of no hits, the helmet comes down automatically.

[Wolfeh]

Originally Posted by holibeck

OK, sorry about this, but why is putting a safe at the hatch door a bad idea? I still have a few things to learn

Originally Posted by Flippers McGurgle

Unless there are one or two craners on the other side, blocking the door means no goons to stun the CFO with on that side.

Blocking the door is stupid because the CFO will just grab it and use it as a helmet.

It's one of the CFO'ing tips and I've seen it for myself multiple times. If there is a safe next to the CFO, he will grab it.

[Trish]

Originally Posted by Wolfeh

Blocking the door is stupid because the CFO will just grab it and use it as a helmet.

I know everyone thinks this, but I don't buy it. I don't think the safe lands on his head any faster with the doors blocked than with the doors open. If things get out of hand, I will block one door (or even both doors sometimes) just so we can rid ourselves of some goons and get that safe off his head without taking so much goon damage. Even if he does pick that safe up sooner from the safe being so close, with fewer goons to deal with, the safe can be knocked off and a goon thrown fast enough to damage/stun. I've been the last toon standing in a CFO so many times and, even with swarms of reds, I can finish the battle just by blocking the doors and throwing goons at the CFO while his safe-ty helmet is on.

[Ducky Wucky]

It almost seems rude, you know what I mean? Well, nobody owns the crane, but it's still kind of rude. I'm really good at craning, (Not trying to brag) and i'm not so good when it comes to goons, so I have a hard time stompin.

As far as waiting there, crying for the crane, thats messed up, and toons like that don't deserve to be able to CFO.

[Bnkzsahm]

Originally Posted by holibeck

Thanks for all the very good replies. "You guys are great"
Oh boy, I spend way too much time on Toontown!!

While on the subject, I've heard of the term "goon hog" or something of the sort. This is when one toon stomps all the goons on one side while others stand around worrying about "looking bad" while doing nothing.

That happened to me once before I became the most stellar toon in the world (wink, wink). I was with a toon that took front row and center to the door and no goon got past her. When we danced a very "nice" toon said to me, "care to join us"... sheesh.

Well, now I stomp like her, and I have been accused of being a goon hog... lol.

Any thoughts on that?

A goon hog? You're kidding right?? I think that's one of the funniest things I've heard in awhile. When I'm gooning, I can get 99% of the goons on my side as they come out the door, so I guess I'm a "goon hog"...and here I thought it meant you were a good stomper. LOL

[Toonlover]

Whenever the battle is getting bad and we really need crane people, I stand next to someone on the crane and jump on all the goons heading their way. I dont really hop on when people get knocked off, cause most of the time they want to get back on.

[Wolfeh]

Originally Posted by Trish

I know everyone thinks this, but I don't buy it. I don't think the safe lands on his head any faster with the doors blocked than with the doors open.

I've seen it for myself. If there is a safe next to him, he grabs it. Not right away, but he does.

Originally Posted by Trish

If things get out of hand, I will block one door (or even both doors sometimes) just so we can rid ourselves of some goons and get that safe off his head without taking so much goon damage.

To do that on purpose (safes at both hatches to kill instantly) is one thing. To even put a safe on his head on purpose so that he won't grab one from the hatches is even a good idea when on purpose. But he was getting safes on his head before it started going downhill, so this wasn't strategic thinking, it was poor playing.

If I were better at craning, I'd be able to do this better, but at times I try to hop onto an empty crane and the drop a safe on a few of the goons. Stunning is nice because they are sitting there to be used as weapons, but killing is better, because at least it's under your control and not the goon-army's.

[Trish]

Originally Posted by Wolfeh

I've seen it for myself. If there is a safe next to him, he grabs it. Not right away, but he does.

To do that on purpose (safes at both hatches to kill instantly) is one thing. To even put a safe on his head on purpose so that he won't grab one from the hatches is even a good idea when on purpose. But he was getting safes on his head before it started going downhill, so this wasn't strategic thinking, it was poor playing.

If I were better at craning, I'd be able to do this better, but at times I try to hop onto an empty crane and the drop a safe on a few of the goons. Stunning is nice because they are sitting there to be used as weapons, but killing is better, because at least it's under your control and not the goon-army's.

Honest to goodness, I have never seen a safe on the floor disappear and end up on the CFO's head. What I have seen is a safe "appear" on the CFO's head after a bit of time with no damage to the CFO. This bit of time is a long time when the CFO's light is green and gets shorter as the light turns red. I see when a toon puts a safe on the CFO's head and another toon knocks it off, the safe lands on the floor. But when the safe on his head is from no damage, the safe gets knocked off and disappears.

[Captain Comet Thunderboom]

Originally Posted by Trish

Honest to goodness, I have never seen a safe on the floor disappear and end up on the CFO's head. What I have seen is a safe "appear" on the CFO's head after a bit of time with no damage to the CFO. This bit of time is a long time when the CFO's light is green and gets shorter as the light turns red. I see when a toon puts a safe on the CFO's head and another toon knocks it off, the safe lands on the floor. But when the safe on his head is from no damage, the safe gets knocked off and disappears.

Yes. I have been in CFOs where there have been safes right next to him, but he never gets one on his head. The reason being the craners are slamming him non-stop with goons. Watch carefully when the safe 'appears' on his head: you'll see it drop right down from the ceiling. In fact, when it does you'll hear the sound you get when you drop a safe on a cog. The longer you take to stun him, the greater the chance this will drop on him to increase the difficulty. The more damaged he is, the quicker these safes will drop.

[holibeck]

Originally Posted by LadyZippyBoingenpretzel

I know you feel that way, and in theory I agree.

BUT!!

Everyone has their own favorite ways to do things; many people have RL things come up that take precedence over a game so that they can't give their all; and like it or not, those people who say they have the right to play the game THEY pay for the way they see fit, have a point. You just CAN'T tell anyone else they have to play your way. If you have friends that agree to do that, more power to you - if you go random you take what you get.

I am all for common courtesy and use it myself every chance I get -- even if the other toons don't seem to deserve it (maybe that's what makes it "common"?). I have watched my own children play enough to know they either don't know strategy or don't always care - and unless they are on a CCG run, I am not going to dictate their every move. If they are harming others in their play, of course I will nip that.

My point is that not everyone who appears to be griefing, is. You can't possibly hold a child to the same standard of play and strategy that you like! Heck, I don't think you can hold most adults to that! You remember being new? I do. Not everyone reads up on these forums or even reads the little tips on the blue screen as you TP somewhere. There is also a little thing called lag - you know, the kind that causes me to pick a pie when Flippers picked a hose and bam, the cog is gone and Flippers gets no credit. Or sometimes a toon gets dropped and you have to finish the mint with 3 toons and a little bit different strategy than you prefer. Some things just happen and for me PERSONALLY it's been helpful to loosen up and go with the flow.

Sorry to have strayed so far from the OP...can't figure how to tie it back in, except that the theme does seem to be common courtesy...

I missed responding to this before, but I wanted to thank you for saying this. Even though you think it strays from the OP - we all have our slightly different opinions, such as the recently discussed "safes by the door" strategy. And... even when it comes to hoping on cranes or stomping, flexibility helps when implementing a team effort. I can be flexible and understanding with toons I perceive to be children, but as Flippers was alluding to, they should not be allowed to "out and out" bully someone.

Is it me... or has the bullying escalated. I'll tell you what, I have encountered some strange, bizarre, and harassing behavior lately like group effort lynch mobs and the like. What is happening, or has it always been this way?

[Wolfeh]

[On topic]
Had a good CFO run yesterday. It was starting to get a little out of hand but overall we ended up winning.

I think there were a few good craners (two great ones and my sf), because I don't think my sf grabs goons that aren't yet stunned and uses them. A few 'live' goons were grabbed and used. It was a rare CFO to me though, as I think at least one crane or another was open most of the time. If anything, crane hogs would have been happy, because they could hog the crane without any fights.

[Off topic]

Originally Posted by holibeck

Is it me... or has the bullying escalated. I'll tell you what, I have encountered some strange, bizarre, and harassing behavior lately like group effort lynch mobs and the like. What is happening, or has it always been this way?

I haven't noticed anything, but that doesn't mean it hasn't escalated any. What Disney needs to do is to have an option to 'record behavior' or something that the player could use to identify a situation/player so they can investigate the matter more easily.

If someone is constantly stinking someone else, a way to easily reference the stinks (like in PMs) so that, hoping TT keeps a log of messages, they can look at it and see it for themselves. Also see if it's being done to others by the same person.

[Really off topic]
There are so many times when I wish I had extra 'admin like' options. Like to click on a toons name and mute them (constantly doing sf talk but at rapid speeds), glue them (like if they keep hopping on and off of an elevator, glue them inside, so they learn their lesson), SF chat with them (with all convos recorded of course, to prevent abuse) so I could warn them that if they don't stop (shuffling or whatever) that I'll do something about it, ground them (temporarily disable their ability to TP - useful for those who grief others by doing massive TP clicks on someone), 'push to nearest battle', degag someone, de-run someone, all could be useful when someone pushes someone else into a battle and then watches (force them into the same battle, stop them from being able to run, and give them no gags, so they have to stay in the battle until they either go sad, or someone else wins the battle for them).

Ah such tools would be so wonderful.

[Beyond off topic]
As for the last thing, pushing others into battle. One time I had a "help a new toon" task. I found someone that was under 26lp, but they went ZZZ, so I pushed them into a battle, completed my task using them, then pushed them back to the side (so they wouldn't get into another battle and end up sad). I don't think they ever knew that they helped someone by just being away...

[Flippers]

Well in answer, I have an account of what happened last night about 6:30EDT in Nutty River

shuffle shuffle shuffle. A horse with insufficient gags didnt get that a group didnt want them along. Eventually they did get it and went afk and asleep

A monkey - more like a dumb ape - pushed him into the elevator despite objections by everyone there. He goes "I don't care" but you think it's going to help him? MAJOR shuffle fest as no one wanted to get on with him. The horse - now awake - TPed back to us. With the constant shuffle over the monkey, a crowd grew as no one got into the mint.

It became a mob. By this time, everyone shuffled, regardless of the laff or gags. There was a foursome, even a good foursome, someone left and then the others. More small ones were evident among the group, which seemed to be more of a shuffle fest than a mint. If I could communicate with some of the other larger toons, I would have suggested another district for a straight run.

This spilled over into the Dollar mint elevator. Twenty minutes after this all started, while at the dollar mint elevator, I crashed.

Who should I feel sympathy or tolerance for in any of this?

Etiquette is a relative thing...

btw Wolfeh, flooding chat - which is what they're doing when they cause their toons to blabber in gibberish - is against the game's terms of use. Unlike most other sites though, one cannot prove it with a log, and the screenshot tells them nothing. Again enough people complaining is the proof they need. LOL a daily email from everyone might keep them too busy to send us that lame "it's your graphics card" reply.