Craning Etiquette?

[holibeck]

Thanks for all the very good replies. "You guys are great"
Oh boy, I spend way too much time on Toontown!!

While on the subject, I've heard of the term "goon hog" or something of the sort. This is when one toon stomps all the goons on one side while others stand around worrying about "looking bad" while doing nothing.

That happened to me once before I became the most stellar toon in the world (wink, wink). I was with a toon that took front row and center to the door and no goon got past her. When we danced a very "nice" toon said to me, "care to join us"... sheesh.

Well, now I stomp like her, and I have been accused of being a goon hog... lol.

Any thoughts on that?

[Wolfeh]

Originally Posted by Wolfeh

I'm sure that I was on a team that had good craners, so I'm not claiming any credit for the success of our CFO's, but... During the last couple of CFO's, I stood right in front of the door/hatch, enough distance to not get -1 when it opens, but close enough to jump and land on the goon before its light comes on, disabling it a.s.a.p. Didn't work every time, but I was accused of being a goon hog because I was getting almost every one of them. I noticed a few minutes later that the other side had a few goons roaming about. The key is to try to get the goon as quickly as possible, so you can be ready for the next one.

Originally Posted by holibeck

While on the subject, I've heard of the term "goon hog" or something of the sort. This is when one toon stomps all the goons on one side while others stand around worrying about "looking bad" while doing nothing.

That happened to me once before I became the most stellar toon in the world (wink, wink). I was with a toon that took front row and center to the door and no goon got past her. When we danced a very "nice" toon said to me, "care to join us"... sheesh.

Well, now I stomp like her, and I have been accused of being a goon hog... lol.

Any thoughts on that?

Yeah.. It's better to have a backup who isn't doing much, than to have a backup who is taking on a heavy load. Heavy load on the backup toon means the first toon is either slacking at their task, or you're doomed to lose.

[holibeck]

Oops, sorry Wolfeh... I did read your post, but my senility's acting up today. I should have made reference to you also.

I guess you could say our approach to stomping is pragmatic. So, call me a hog, craners love me... mwuhah ah ah ah ahhhhhhhh

[Wolfeh]

Originally Posted by holibeck

Oops, sorry Wolfeh... I did read your post, but my senility's acting up today. I should have made reference to you also.

I guess you could say our approach to stomping is pragmatic. So, call me a hog, craners love me... mwuhah ah ah ah ahhhhhhhh

I like stomping the goons when I'm able to hit them.. When I keep missing, I don't like it as much. Go figure.

[Queen Violet Hulawig]

If there aren't any goons to stomp, I just run in circles trying to look busy...or jumping in front of the CFO to get him to target me instead of the craners. You can also run into the treads if someone gets a safe on him or is having trouble hitting him (it makes the cfo sit down, though it doesn't always work).

[Popcorn Peppermuffin]

Originally Posted by Ozziebear

Hmmm,
Yes, I will steal your crane, if I see you throwing a safe while the CFO is not dizzy. If I'm craning, I will steal your safe in mid air if you throw it then too. I have 2 Baron 50 toons and I craned 95% of the time maxing them out. So I'd say I can crane better than most. I don't mind gooning to give others a chance to learn. But you should know to never throw a safe while the CFO is not dizzy before attempting to crane. I prefer to beat the CFO without losing any toons. So there is a time during battle in which I will take over a crane so we can win. Which, by the way, is the reason your there in the first place.

Whet in with a friend who was the only non Robber Baron in the group. She has had trouble making it through the CFO because of the other toons (she is a RB50 on her big toon). I told her "No problem getting through this one!"

This group didn't crane like Robber Barons. I have never seen so many safes on the CFOs head. I spent all my time knocking them off.

Popcorn

[LadyZippyBoingenpretzel]

Originally Posted by _Holly_

I would never steal a crane from someone unless they were purposely safing the CFO or so clueless they were messing the whole thing up.

I have a more specific question referring to crane etiquette. I was at a CCG run on my black cat. A certain 120 laff toon stood there the whole time, not stomping, and waited for me to get knocked off. Inevitably I did. I asked her politely if I could have the crane back and she ignored me. I was pretty annoyed and decided that there was no way I would do her a favor by stomping for her.

While we were dancing I got a lot of "Are you new here?"s and people telling me to "Please disable the goons." Here's my question: Was what I did considered innapropriate because of the effect it may have had on the group, or because I was playing a toon low in laff and suit? Is it deemed okay for a RB 50 to "steal" a crane from a lower suit?

Even on my RB 50 toon I don't expect to get the crane every time. When we have a good group of craners I'm happy to give up the crane to a toon who needs practice.

Well - remember my reply is based on the fact that I don't believe there is any "ownership" of cranes.

What that 120 did was wrong and jeopardized the entire team. But by refusing to stomp you were doing the same thing, IMO. Teamwork means that you do what needs to be done. If I get knocked off the crane I stomp. If no one else gets on the crane I get back on. No biggie either way. (I have not always felt that way, just FYI to anyone who wants to dig up old posts )

I can't imagine too many CCG members saying that sort of thing to you - but maybe from their perspective all you did was stand there the entire time. Maybe they didn't even see the other toon do that? I can't imagine many saying that as an insult anyway - many say that to stompers as a compliment and ask "are you new here" to let you know they recognize you have a bigger toon...so who knows. Anyway my 2 cents is that you should have stomped - if not for her, then for someone else (you didn't mention whether you did that or not).

[Wolfeh]

Originally Posted by _Holly_

I have a more specific question referring to crane etiquette. I was at a CCG run on my black cat. A certain 120 laff toon stood there the whole time, not stomping, and waited for me to get knocked off. Inevitably I did. I asked her politely if I could have the crane back and she ignored me. I was pretty annoyed and decided that there was no way I would do her a favor by stomping for her.

Originally Posted by LadyZippyBoingenpretzel

Anyway my 2 cents is that you should have stomped - if not for her, then for someone else (you didn't mention whether you did that or not).

From the way she said it, I am deducing that she did stomp, just not for that one toon. Which is why I said what I did earlier. In my view, why should she help someone who isn't in there for the team, but more for themselves? It's like devoting resources to help in wasting resources.

Is the person fighting for the team? If yes, then help them out, because they're trying to help you (and everyone else) out. That's making good use of you as a resource. If that player is only worried about themselves, then they're not giving to the team (even if their actions benefit the team), so by helping them, you are diverting resources from the team to an individual. Wasted resources.

To me, playing for the team is 2 fold.. First is that if someone has to go (sad), between another player and me, if I feel that the other player has a chance of winning (and helping the rest of the team to win), where as it would not be as likely with me, then I'll go sad. Even recently, in a building, I knew I might go sad, so I did my best to toon the other 2 who were with me, because I knew that it might give them a chance to win. I went sad, and they won. What would be the point of trying to stay if that might have caused more than just me to go sad? That's how I see it. The other thing is self survival. I'll do what I can to help the team, but not to the point of just being suicidal. I'll try my best to keep myself afloat, so that I can help the others on the team. It's sometimes a hard balance, but both actually work together despite how much they contradict each other.

[holibeck]

I don't know how I do it, but when I am treated rudely like that… I go on as normal. That nasty 125 laff red rabbit everyone is talking about ... when he purposefully threw safes on the cfo's head when we battled together, I had to abandon my crane because I got flooded with red caps. I ran to get treasures, and then I stomped for him (he started to play nice by then).

Now, I know what you’re thinking... How could I support such a mean spirited plick like that? Well, I was supporting the team. I wanted the win for everyone. There are toons still earning their wings in cfo and really, really want the win. So, I do it for them.

I've said this before and I'll say it again. There are top toons who post here that bully other toons on a regular basis. I bite my tongue. Holly, I understand your grief and share in your frustration. We good toons have to not fold under their pressure. Those bad toons want us to react. That’s how they get their jollies. If the treatment is bad enough, and you have kids that play... TURN THEM IN. The speedchat phrase should say "GOOD TOONS UNITE" "BAD TOONS DROOL" he he

[LadyZippyBoingenpretzel]

Originally Posted by holibeck

I don't know how I do it, but when I am treated rudely like that… I go on as normal. That nasty 125 laff red rabbit everyone is talking about ... when he purposefully threw safes on the cfo's head when we battled together, I had to abandon my crane because I got flooded with red caps. I ran to get treasures, and then I stomped for him (he started to play nice by then).

Now, I know what you’re thinking... How could I support such a mean spirited plick like that? Well, I was supporting the team. I wanted the win for everyone. There are toons still earning their wings in cfo and really, really want the win. So, I do it for them.

I've said this before and I'll say it again. There are top toons who post here that bully other toons on a regular basis. I bite my tongue. Holly, I understand your grief and share in your frustration. We good toons have to not fold under their pressure. Those bad toons want us to react. That’s how they get their jollies. If the treatment is bad enough, and you have kids that play... TURN THEM IN. The speedchat phrase should say "GOOD TOONS UNITE" "BAD TOONS DROOL" he he

I agree with this! Personally - the game has gotten much more fun and relaxing for me now that I don't let others' "style" of play ruin it for me. And now I don't have to try to figure out if it's a griefer or just a young child who doesn't know any better. Much nicer!

[Flippers]

I know him. He PMed me to stay out of Sellbot until I had more laff.

SAY WHAT???

Originally Posted by LadyZippyBoingenpretzel

I agree with this! Personally - the game has gotten much more fun and relaxing for me now that I don't let others' "style" of play ruin it for me. And now I don't have to try to figure out if it's a griefer or just a young child who doesn't know any better. Much nicer!

You know to me it doesn't matter. Regardless of who is on it, the account holder is responsible.

We have a sign in the park near here: If you cannot clean up after your dog, you do not deserve to own one.

Let alleged parents and adults try to explain away the griefing behavior. They should be banned if they cannot control the kid - or their other personalities.

[_Holly_]

I don't want to hijack this thread any more (sorry, holibeck), but...

By the way they were acting, I was doubting they were CCG members at all (or they didn't really read the guidelines?). The whole CFO was loaded with a lot of chatting between three of them. I did try to stomp but the other toons were doing a sufficient job and I ended up only stomping when the goons got out of their control (not often, the whole thing was overwith fairly quickly).

I like hearing the different opinions because I've been on the fence for a while. In a way I felt bad for hindering the whole group, but I just didn't feel right letting her get away with it. I do agree that there is no true ownership in Toontown (though I don't like it) but that doesn't mean people should be exempt from common courtesy.

As for that rabbit, he must be a truly disturbed person. I'm just glad he seems to be considerably unhappy about all the negative attention he's been getting lately.

[LadyZippyBoingenpretzel]

Originally Posted by Flippers McGurgle

You know to me it doesn't matter. Regardless of who is on it, the account holder is responsible.

We have a sign in the park near here: If you cannot clean up after your dog, you do not deserve to own one.

Let alleged parents and adults try to explain away the griefing behavior. They should be banned if they cannot control the kid - or their other personalities.

I know you feel that way, and in theory I agree.

BUT!!

Everyone has their own favorite ways to do things; many people have RL things come up that take precedence over a game so that they can't give their all; and like it or not, those people who say they have the right to play the game THEY pay for the way they see fit, have a point. You just CAN'T tell anyone else they have to play your way. If you have friends that agree to do that, more power to you - if you go random you take what you get.

I am all for common courtesy and use it myself every chance I get -- even if the other toons don't seem to deserve it (maybe that's what makes it "common"?). I have watched my own children play enough to know they either don't know strategy or don't always care - and unless they are on a CCG run, I am not going to dictate their every move. If they are harming others in their play, of course I will nip that.

My point is that not everyone who appears to be griefing, is. You can't possibly hold a child to the same standard of play and strategy that you like! Heck, I don't think you can hold most adults to that! You remember being new? I do. Not everyone reads up on these forums or even reads the little tips on the blue screen as you TP somewhere. There is also a little thing called lag - you know, the kind that causes me to pick a pie when Flippers picked a hose and bam, the cog is gone and Flippers gets no credit. Or sometimes a toon gets dropped and you have to finish the mint with 3 toons and a little bit different strategy than you prefer. Some things just happen and for me PERSONALLY it's been helpful to loosen up and go with the flow.

Sorry to have strayed so far from the OP...can't figure how to tie it back in, except that the theme does seem to be common courtesy...

[Cool Winky Doggendoodle]

I will attempt to get this back on the OP topic but I believe LadyZ has some very good points.

I have been working a few of my smaller toons lately and doing some CFO runs on my then 87 laffer (now 96). I ran into a group who consisted of RB 45+ and since they had 7 hopped on. The cogs were Ho Hum and we finished with only taking a few hits (which I believe on Toon did on purpose so I could earn TU credit which i didn't need).

While dancing before the final battle I asked "May I operate the crane?" to which I only heard crickets chirpping in the background. We all run over to the other side and witness the last cog blow up and as they are dancing I asked again. Still no answer and no one else is asking......

We go in and I get place near a crane and beat 2 toons out on a mad dash to the crane. Well one toons says "Good Luck" and proceeds to stomp the goons. The other toon while not saying a word or anything keeps jumping and bumping me. I knew what this toon wanted and I was willing to give up the crane, well for a second

When the CFO lined me up to throw gears I jump off and back and the other toon gets the crane and gets hit. I move up and retake the crane and finally the toon goes over by the door and pouts.

I have no problem with helping any way I can and you beat me to the crane then it's yours. I won't take it from you unless told or to save your toony hides so that we all may dance.

[Flippers]

Originally Posted by LadyZippyBoingenpretzel

I know you feel that way, and in theory I agree.

BUT!!

Everyone has their own favorite ways to do things; many people have RL things come up that take precedence over a game so that they can't give their all; and like it or not, those people who say they have the right to play the game THEY pay for the way they see fit, have a point.

We all pay, and Disney specifies griefing as it is known on the Internet as not allowed. You dont pay to grief others. If one person who has one or two accounts griefs on a regular basis, enough reports will show his money versus wasted money of well-intentioned clientele will determine whether he stays or goes. people have to email disney each time he strikes, and let him rack his own electronic karma.

The rabbit in question has a wide reputation for ditching and griefing under various toons, deliberately making toons go sad in boss runs. He (or she since we have not met them) knows exactly what he is doing when he constantly throw safes. He targeted a friend's new toon in a CCG VP, sounding off large cogs so they would attack. It didn't matter that her main toon was closing in on HW50; this one was a CC1 and fresh meat.

I wouldnt want to be famous like that.

I make enough mistakes (which you know LOL), but if I started griefing, it would look a lot different I'm sure.