th vp HATES me

[bluetoon]

yes i have never one a vp. i tried the ccg but i always die a the seclecog part. i've tried a ton of tin=mes but i can't do it. my freind somehow can beat the v whaenevver he wants and he's already a telemarkiter almost on lom's scend set of taskes and he's only been playing for about 2 or 3 monthes.he's farther than me and i've been playing for a long time.(probably a year). anyone have any tips on how to help me beat the vp alot ANDdo taskes quicker.

[ArghYeMatey]

Originally Posted by bluetoon

yes i have never one a vp. i tried the ccg but i always die a the seclecog part. i've tried a ton of tin=mes but i can't do it. my freind somehow can beat the v whaenevver he wants and he's already a telemarkiter almost on lom's scend set of taskes and he's only been playing for about 2 or 3 monthes.he's farther than me and i've been playing for a long time.(probably a year). anyone have any tips on how to help me beat the vp alot ANDdo taskes quicker.

The skele round maily depends if you are with good toons, or yourself has the necessary gags.

If you go with a group that doesn't have very good toons, you're most likely going to die. Lure and toonup is the way to go, and if they are going by the CCG rules it shouldn't be TOO hard.

Doing tasks: just get some friends to help you, and work on that task. You should get better in time.

Sorry if i didn't help much. If you need help with tasks.. PM me a code and i can help you. But only if you want it.

Good LUck on your next VP!

[Toonlover]

I've only defeated the VP twice. Its ok if you didn't defeat it, you will soon enough

[Wolfeh]

Originally Posted by bluetoon

yes i have never one a vp. i tried the ccg but i always die a the seclecog part. i've tried a ton of tin=mes but i can't do it. my freind somehow can beat the v whaenevver he wants and he's already a telemarkiter almost on lom's scend set of taskes and he's only been playing for about 2 or 3 monthes.he's farther than me and i've been playing for a long time.(probably a year). anyone have any tips on how to help me beat the vp alot ANDdo taskes quicker.

#1 Try to come fully laffed and fully gagged - do NOT use VP for gag training. If you have a weak gag track, then unload those to make room for more of your stronger gags.

#2 Sounds to me like you didn't get a good group. If you did get a good group, then you must have done something to irritate them for them to let you go sad.

#3 Winning the VP is in 3 easy steps. Cogs, Skelecogs, VP himself.

1. Aim to knock out the high cogs, period. If there are little ones, the first priority is to make sure the big one will go bye-bye. After that, focus on the small ones. If it can't be done in one round, just get rid of the big guy(s) first. The small ones, when allowed to do damage, do far less damage than the big cogs. If you deal with 3 low level cogs doing maybe a total of 15pts of damage during 1 round, that's better than 1 cog doing 15pts of damage by himself, because whoever he picks (or the entire group), it's all or nothing. At least with lower level cogs, there's a greater chance that they won't all go for you, and even if they do, an increased chance that at least 1 will miss.
2. Skelecogs are basically the same, except I think there are more high levels than not. It's best that if you don't have sound, then to try to be the lure/toon-up person. (If you lure and the others sound, there's almost a 100% chance that the sound will hit, which will help the group to win. If the lure misses, it's better for the lure to miss than the sound to miss.) The others won't necessarily use sound, but if they do, and you can't, try to be an assist to help them get rid of the skele's. The cogs/skele's, for single-toon attacks, will usually go for the ones doing the damage, ignoring the one who didn't do anything. So unless they do attacks against the group, you're likely to not take much damage, leaving you to focus on keeping your teammates tooned up to battle.
3. PAY ATTENTION! This is the one that can kill you quick if you aren't ready for it. There is a front to the VP and a back. The front is the side closest to the cage that the toon is in. The VP will spin out gears (or something) to do -3 points to you. It covers a good area, so don't get too close. Your first time, stay back and just throw from a distance. The VP will do jumps at times, when he does, make sure your booty jumps up too, because when he lands, -10 points to everyone on the ground. He throws out directed gears, so if you see him looking at you or in your direction, be ready to move to avoid being hit. --- There is a door on both the front and back of the VP. When that door drops open, gears shoot out. While it's open, try to get a pie in there. If you do, the VP gets stunned. When the VP is stunned, hitting him in the chest (and face I think) will move him backwards. Move him to the lowest platform at the other end, over the edge, and you win. If someone needs a toon up, hit them with pies, they will get +1 each time. So if you get low, start jumping around, away from the VP, and ask for help. Try to do it if you reach at or below 25laff, so it's not so urgent that you'll go sad on the next hit.

#4 put the team first. I know this might sound stupid to some, but basically, if the survival of the team comes down to you going sad (ie, you going sad on purpose, however that may happen), or the team will lose, then you do what you have to in order to help the team. I guarantee that if a group of respectible players realize that you helped them to win by losing yourself (and that they would have lost if you hadn't), they will be more than happy to have you for future battles, because they'll know that you aren't in it for just you you you.

#5 Doing tasks quickly is easy but tricky.

• SHOP AROUND! Each HQ toon in each HQ will offer their own set of tasks. A lot of the tasks are still the same, but if you haven't noticed already, some offer you tasks that others don't.
• AVOID ANY TASK that requires you to kill a specific type of cog (more than 10 that is). I once had one to kill 250 micromanagers. That took me several days to complete. Between 1000 cogs (any cog, anywhere), and 250 micromanagers, the 1000 cogs is the better task, because you'll kill 1000 when searching for those 250.
• IF you get a task that requires killing up to 10 of a specific cog, make sure it's not one that you can only find in buildings. Those are a royal pain.
• Try to get tasks that match. Don't get 25 boss, 25 sell and then a 25 cash tasks, because then that's 75 cogs right there. 25 cogs, 25 sell, 30 cogs in factory is a good example. A full run, you'll get all 3 in one factory run.
• Try to avoid ones that force you to stay in a certain playground. If you have no choice, then you have no choice.
• Try to avoid tasks that require certain level cogs (level 4+ or level 5+ isn't that bad, but level 8+ is a pain)
• When you get a task that requires you to visit a shop on a street, start working on that task until you have to fight cogs to complete it. THEN get other tasks that you can do at the same time. If the store wants you to get rid of 10 cashbots, then try to find another HQ task that wants you to get rid of cogs (any cogs), or if they say cashbots, pick that one, since you have to get them anyway.

#6 This is very important. Always keep in mind that battling the CFO is tougher than VP, and fighting the CJ is harder than the CFO.

Have fun!

[Peaches8]

[quote=bluetoon;1338543]

anyone have any tips on how to help me beat the vp

How about getting the toonup track, alot of toons don't like little toons that beg for toonups and don't have any to toonup anybody else. Just a suggestion


Peaches8

[cincyconway]

Here are some general guidelines.

Sound (aka Toon Sadder) - Dont use sound unless someone asks you to or you are doing it with a group. I can't count how many times I have seen toons of your laff go sad because they used sound. There are plenty of exceptions to this rule, but for now, I would stick with it.

Trap - Use your trap on level 4 cogs and below. You can also use it on any red cog.

Throw and squirt should be your primary gags. Try to team up with other toons to kill cogs in one round.

[DJ Max]

Well , Wolfeh gave a very good and exhaustive answer to your question. Well not much to add, except maybe for the confirmation that hitting VP's face does push him back effectively once he's stunned:

...When the VP is stunned, hitting him in the chest (and face I think)..

I will just give you few other tips especially concerning the part where you claim to die the most - scelecog round:

I see from your profile that you have 2 toons: 60 and 27 laffers, I suppose you bring your 60 laffer to VP? The higher your laff points - the higher is the survival rate during cog and scelecog rounds at VP.

It is also important that you work your gags, at 60 lp about time you get Bday cake and Rain cloud at least! That's why in fact tasks are made for - through killing numerous cogs and defeating buildings - you get xp on each gag that you use, thus reaching stronger gags and strengthening your attack power - this will help you to to bring more damage to those sceles that you face at VP , and kill them faster, before they kill you!

It is very important , like it was mentioned , for toons with weak gags - to go for the same cog as their team mates do "Let's all go for the same cog!" - should be your credo before you will max out your gags

Watch carefully what higher and more experienced toons do during the battle, follow them and their advice ("Let's use throw", "Lets use sound", "you should pass" etc) If you are clueless and you see that noone is picking a gag yet - ask "Which way?" Most of the times experience toons will pick a gag then or will give you an indication.

Be attentive: if someone says "Can you help me?" when using a Bday cake, or a Cloud - it means that he expects you to back up his gag with the SAME TYPE OF GAG - so that the attack will bring a sufficient damage to kill a cog. So - if someone uses throw - follow it with throw, if someone uses squirt - follow it with squirt.

IMPORTANT: If someone saying ""Can you help me?" whiles using a piano drop, it means that he expects u to backup his drop with a squirt or a throw NOT WITH DROP! Especially when lure is being used!
(if someonbe used lure and you will back up piano drop with also drop gag- both drops will miss as it never hits lured cogs)

Now , when someone uses lure and another toon uses piano drop - THAT IS THE ONLY TIME WHEN YOU CAN USE YOUR MARBLES TRAP!
Otherwise never use it on a higher than level 2 cog (for example you can use it on Cold caller 1, or Telemarketer 2 but NOT higher!)

During scele round - use sound only when you see at least one toon using fog horn on your side, never initiate sounding yourself!

Another important thing, since you are not carying niether toonup, nor lure - it is about time that you finish your gagtrack on one of the above mentioned gags - as those are very important gags during boss fights, and it is vital that you carry at least one of them during VP fights.

Hope this will help you.

[~Princess~Pearl~Pinkerpop~]

Some tips I use...
~Everytime the VP cascet (or whatever the thing where you lob the pie in to make him dizzy is called) opens, go to the side and get a good angle so that the gears won't hit you, then shoot.
~I usually am the toon-upper in VP, but if you like to lob the pies into the cascet thing, then most people go behind the VP. Idk why, but it makes a difference...
~If you'd rather not lob the pies in cascet, yet just toon-up people or so, then stand at a distance. Go as far from the VP as possible, BUT, make sure that where you're standing, you can hit the VP good.
~Bring a friend, at least one. Two would be good. Do this because you know that at least one person cares about you. Two+ friends would be better because it'd have a better chance of at least one friend being on your side for the cog battles.
~I usually only accept 55+ laffers, but the lowest I accept (which is when I REALLY need it) is 50-54 laffers.
*I'll add more once I think of them. Until then, I hope these tips help you, and much luck for the VP!!
*~Princess Pearl Pinkerpop~*

[ErDoc4444]

My other piece of advice because I can't add much to what Max and Wolfeh said (nice details and ideas BTW) is to go with a group of friends. If you have a group of high laffers that have an easy time beating the VP or if you have SFS that can give you advice during a battle, go with them the first few times for training on the VP. I know my first few times was with randoms, and I lost a lot and won a few times. The more I practiced the better I got. Do not worry about your friend being further on tasks then you, it may just be the amount of time on the game he/she spends that has gotten them so far along. You may lose in the VP a few more times, whether you are working with friends or not. It all comes with practice and finding the right group of people. As you may see in the thread I started, I finally found a GREAT group of SFS that trained me well and have helped me build up my gags in areas that I was having trouble.

Hope this helps and feel free to PM if you would like some help from me!!!

[Wolfeh]

Originally Posted by DJ Max

Well , Wolfeh gave a very good and exhaustive answer to your question.

I hope the "exhaustive" was meant in a good way

Since he asked about vp, instead of battles in general, is why I didn't go into any details about lures/drop/etc. (Although when helping with drop, squirt is the better choice for stunning, but I think that's why you said "squirt or throw", instead of "throw or squirt")

Originally Posted by ~Princess~Pearl~Pinkerpop~

~I usually am the toon-upper in VP, but if you like to lob the pies into the cascet thing, then most people go behind the VP. Idk why, but it makes a difference...

A couple of reasons come to mind, first being that the VP focuses most of it's attacks towards the front. For example, when he spins out gears, it's in the front but not the back. The other is a combination of it being more open (partially because of the first reason), but also because if the back opens but not the front, more chance to hit it. I think the fact that the VP moves backwards towards the stunners helps, also being lower than the VP (on the ramps) helps too. In fact that helps a lot, because then the gears miss more and the pies hit more.

[Flippers]

Not playing the hero but going with the flow gets the job done.

Match the gags of others and hit the same cog. Dont use squirt if others are using throw.

Never hit a cog alone which you cannot take down yourself. If one is luring and two are tooning, don't hit a big cog. Pass or show off your doodle. If it's the first round and there's a small cog, or there is a skelecog with a red light, take that down.

If you don't have BIG sound, say Sorry I Can't when someone says Let's Use Sound! If you're at least on a CCG run, you'll get people listening to that and change to Lure Left Kill Right aka LLKR.

Dumb dog started in the VPs before he had level 6 gags and never loaded the weak gags. No luring until you have a strong lure - almost maxed. It isnt just about points but the hit/miss frequency of non-maxed gags that matter. Bring toonup if you have lipstick and cane - you will help while the bigger toons do the hitting etc.

Use fruit pies and seltzer in cog round, and save the cream pies and hose for skel round to help the cakes and clouds of others.

lil ole wabbit went into first VPs this week with cake and goggles - smooth as silk so far.

---

The VP hates everyone, but you'll find that out when you get to meet him.

[DJ Max]

Originally Posted by Wolfeh

I hope the "exhaustive" was meant in a good way ...

of course! Since english is not my native language - I re-checked the meaning of the word in the dictionarry before using it, this what I've got:

ex·haus·tive ( P ) Pronunciation Key (g-zфstv)
adj.

1. Treating all parts or aspects without omission; thorough: an exhaustive study.
2. Tending to exhaust.

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ex·haustive·ly adv.
ex·haustive·ness n.
exhaus·tivi·ty n.

Source: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.

and :

exhaustive
adj : very thorough; exhaustively complete; "an exhaustive study"; "made a thorough search"; "thoroughgoing research" [syn: thorough, thoroughgoing]


Source: WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University

it supposed to be a compliment

not that it didn't exhaust me to read all your post through though! yet I tryed to keep up with the length in mine which I posted right after

[Wolfeh]

Originally Posted by DJ Max

of course! Since english is not my native language - I re-checked the meaning of the word in the dictionarry before using it, this what I've got:

<<<snip>>>

it supposed to be a compliment

I was pretty sure it was, which is why I said it like that and had the after it. Didn't mean for you to have to answer it (sorry if it put you on the spot).

With all this information we're giving, the guy should start winning VP's. :13b:

[DJ Max]

Originally Posted by Wolfeh

I was pretty sure it was, which is why I said it like that and had the after it. Didn't mean for you to have to answer it (sorry if it put you on the spot).:

don't be sorry, I look for any ocasion to smart off That was one of them!

Originally Posted by Wolfeh

With all this information we're giving, the guy should start winning VP's. :13b:

theoretically - yes

[ToonDguy5513]

Originally Posted by bluetoon

yes i have never one a vp. i tried the ccg but i always die a the seclecog part. i've tried a ton of tin=mes but i can't do it. my freind somehow can beat the v whaenevver he wants and he's already a telemarkiter almost on lom's scend set of taskes and he's only been playing for about 2 or 3 monthes.he's farther than me and i've been playing for a long time.(probably a year). anyone have any tips on how to help me beat the vp alot ANDdo taskes quicker.

Hey dude. If you want I'll go on a VP with you- I win every time. :-)

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