A note to the clueless about sound in the mint

[LadyZippyBoingenpretzel]

Some of us DO know and still prefer it. You're still talking like anyone who prefers one fog just doesn't know a better way and needs to be educated - and most of the people in this thread have said they think one fog is the better way FOR THEM, even after hearing all the arguments for double fogging.

You're not going to change your mind or mine - but if I go in the mint with you with 4 toons with sound I will be happy to do it your way, and I won't even twitch. Life's too short to stress over something like this!

[Flippers]

That's not what I'm talking like in my reply.

And you know I'm not a problem in the mints when we go ;P

[~Scarlet~]

I much prefer conserving fog horns also and find this to be the prefered method even when running with strangers.. 1 horn on one or two 11's. Never know if you are going to hit a refill or not.

What makes me buggy is when you are doing the vp or cfo and you have a 12 mixed in with 5's, 6's or 7's and someone wastes a foghorn for one 12. That makes me insane...lol. I would much prefer to drop on the 12 or lure the whole bunch. Lure is also an awesome tool and allows those with maxed tnt to take out those 11's with 1 hit.

But we all know there are some people that want to use sound and nothing else... no changing their mind no matter how many handy dandy speed chat phrases you use.

[pixanator]

Alot of us have been around before Cash was here, and when Cash opened... we tried many variations and found one that suits some of us best and that's the 1 fog 3 elfs on the 2 11s and 2 10s.

If there's a sound restock, you can bet your sweet potato that you'll find ppl will do what you're talking about, but if we don't see a sound restock, we're going to pace out our fogs incase there aren't any.

Your way is fine with you and others, and the rest of us will stick to what we are comfortable with and that's the 1 fog 3 elfs, take hits, toon - kill.

The one thing I highly disagree with is the insult of calling those of us who don't play your way, clueless.

[Flippers]

Originally Posted by aka gail

But we all know there are some people that want to use sound and nothing else... no changing their mind no matter how many handy dandy speed chat phrases you use.

That's them!

I was in one last week where one bailed on us because not all the cogs went down with sound. Didn't they know? LOL

And a month ago there were three of us and the random insisted on using sound in that two-sided room/passageway with the four sets of cogs. Except they only had elephant and aoogah left, as did any of us by then.

*insert goofy confused cattlelog emotion here*

[Squiddy22]

Originally Posted by Flippers McGurgle

"Let's Use Sound!"

Do you know how to in the mints?

I mean do you REALLY know how? They have all the gags, they have high laff, but when they face the cogs, THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO!

You picked sound so it could go fast, but two 11's are left and we have to WAIT for them to attack us then WAIT to see who picks TU and the killing gags, and do a second turn.

Hate to tell you, but luring would have been faster.

Know it to do it.

With four equipped toons:

Level 10s only: 3 elephants + 1 fog

Level 11's (most of the mint lineups): 2 fogs + 2 elephants

Level 12 - only the final battle with the Supervisor, and ONLY if you have restocked: 3 fogs + 1 elephant.

Don't be pulling one fog on 11s. It's a waste of everyone's time, and time is the reason for using sound in the first place.

I think it should be 1 fog, 3 elephants used when there are 2 level 11's or less. It saves time and it is less time than using lure, which takes longer. I only suggest using 2 fogs for the 4 level 11's skelecog battle. I you use 2 fogs, 2 elephants all the way through, you'll only have enough for 6 battles, and the minimun number of battles in a mint is 9, which is 36 cogs.

[_Holly_]

It's true that there's no "correct" way. But the widely accepted way is the one fog three eles unless it's the group of level 11 skeles (or the supervisor).

That's the fastest way and pretty much the only way I've ever heard anyone experienced with the bullion want to do it. The only double foggers are the 80-something laffers who have never been in the bullion before. (Just to clarify: I don't mean all double foggers are "clueless" or "stupid", just that I've never met 110+ laffers doing bullion runs that would ever use that method.)

Double fogging slows down the group immensely, and it used to drive me crazy back when I was doing bullions. Throw in someone training trap and you've got a real nightmare on your hands.

[Squiddy22]

It's also best to carry some aoogahs with you so you can use them in the 4 11 round. Like this: 2 fogs, 2 aoogahs for a set of 4 level 11's.

Note: This has been scientifically proven.

[Lady Lily Petalswirl]

That's a bit harsh to say to those that like to use 1 fog, 3 ele on a 2 11's and 2 10's combo.

I personally prefer the 1 fog and 3 ele combination on 2 11s and 2 10s. I will only use 2 fogs on a group that are all 11s. If the group has TNTs, I would prefer using TNTs for a line of 11s instead of using 2 fogs. If there is no regag sound barrel, wasting all fogs will slow down the group big time toward the end. I had been in the buillion with toons running out of fogs and it took much longer to complete.

Whenever I am in the buillion, I would check the floor we jumped to see how many cogs I had to get through, how many restock rooms, etc. That helps me determine how I should choose my gags.

There's really no right way of using gags. You prefer your way and I prefer my way it's totally fine. However, calling toons clueless because they are not doing the way you like them to is unnecessary and a bit uncalled for.

[Flippers]

Originally Posted by _Holly_

It's true that there's no "correct" way. But the widely accepted way is the one fog three eles unless it's the group of level 11 skeles (or the supervisor).

Everyone dumps their fogs on the last one when they have it.

You'd be surprised how many random mint runs (I keep telling myself I wont do another) have them doing one fog on the four 11's and whining over the line remaining. Please keep in mind it's the CLUELESS I'm talking about, the ones who do it then whine, run out of TU because they didn't know what they were going to do and bring anything to compensate for it.

And four angry 11's really take more time.

TNT is highly underrated by the random set I think. Usually they break out the trapdoor on the 11 while one lures and two TU.

[LadyZippyBoingenpretzel]

But you weren't talking about the row of all 11s at first. You specifically mentioned leaving two 11s and your title clearly called those who single fogged that row "clueless". And the OP's purpose is to educate us that unless we are clueless we will double fog. To do otherwise is a waste of everyone's time, you said. Was I missing something?

[Flippers]

I think if you mean business and want to get through and are scrutinizing skill and laff and sound and shuffling: yeah I think with two 11s there the line should be cleared.

Four 11's and three elephants don't mix LOL

And this is based on people knowing what's what. But the random runs I've been on have been a nightmare, and they all act like they're going to die, and their sense of strategy goes out the window when cogs remain, so we're definitely not talking about toons who CHOOSE to leave a cog or two remaining and know what to do next.

I am truly referring to the clueless. And if they want to avoid mental bedlam, then they should use two fogs on lines with 11s since they obviously are incapable of exacting damage control.

[sniffles]

Well, I'm with Trishy back a few posts. 2 11's, 1 fog. 4 11's lure 'em in and hope you've got some trappers. "I'll be right back" or "I need more gags" are like stakes in my heart. A little gag management goes a LONG way. Running all the way back to the beginning for a sound barrel isn't a lot of fun (unless you take the right people, )

[Flippers]

Originally Posted by sniffles

Well, I'm with Trishy back a few posts. 2 11's, 1 fog. 4 11's lure 'em in and hope you've got some trappers. "I'll be right back" or "I need more gags" are like stakes in my heart. A little gag management goes a LONG way. Running all the way back to the beginning for a sound barrel isn't a lot of fun (unless you take the right people, )

Oh speaking of which: last night there was a 60s uber with us who had fog. Didn't bring it out and said "I need more gags" and put out an aoogah after three elephants. Who were they kidding? They feigned like they had only up to elephant, but they know people could see their stash since it's their ticket in. They didn't run out of elephants (checked after the aoogah fight) and I whispered stop horsing around. They resumed with elephants and fogS after that. *shakes head*

[Bonzo_Whiskerbouncer]

Originally Posted by pixanator

Alot of us have been around before Cash was here, and when Cash opened... we tried many variations and found one that suits some of us best and that's the 1 fog 3 elfs on the 2 11s and 2 10s.

If there's a sound restock, you can bet your sweet potato that you'll find ppl will do what you're talking about, but if we don't see a sound restock, we're going to pace out our fogs incase there aren't any.

Your way is fine with you and others, and the rest of us will stick to what we are comfortable with and that's the 1 fog 3 elfs, take hits, toon - kill.

The one thing I highly disagree with is the insult of calling those of us who don't play your way, clueless.

As always, pix, well said. The game is about teamwork, and sometimes you adjust your strategy to how others are playing the game in order for everyone to win. No one should ever be called "clueless" . . . that is, unless I lure in a group of 12's and they use a banana peel on one of them, now that's another story.