I don't get it (Bullion Mint)

[DippyLollipop]

I am an 85 laffer, throw, squit, and sound maxed, my last task to do to move on in this game is 6 Bullion Mints, I have 4 done (YAY) anyway, I was standing outside the bullion mint this morning, 3 100+ laffers came and we went through the mint (blasted through with sound) went back to the playground re-gagged up and went back, there were 3 different toons there 100+ and I asked for help, one msg'd me "I think this is too risky for you" I msg'd back my task, they msg'd back "I don't care" & again "I think this is too risky for you".

What's up with that, none of us want a frown, specially me! How is a person expected to progress through the game if people aren't willing to help out? I left and went to Donald's Dock and helped newbies do buildings!

Sorry I needed to air it out, it bugged me!

[ToonedToon]

Gets frustrating. I've gone through the bullion mint with a 100+ tune and a 50 before. No problem.

You get two strong toons (or even one) and they can carry through two real low level ones - 85 is not very low level btw.

The few bad toons who go there with no gags and who use banana on lured lvl 11's ruins it for the rest.

These 100+'s seem to forget that the low laff might very well be a TT player with 2,3,4++ years of exp, who is just starting a new char.

All the best with your task, 1 to go

[DippyLollipop]

Thanks! I will get it one way or the other! Just makes me want it more! LOL

[.:The Grim Goodbye:.]

I dont usually go with under 90 laff but if your maxxed in 4 gag tracks then I wud go with you. I just care if you have fog horn is all because usually under 90 laff toons dont usually have fog horn, or if they do, its not usually maxed which doesnt help much.

~mike~

[dizzymommy]

I agree with the previous poster....most people at your level don't have fog. However, I always check gags and regardless of their laff I will go with anyone that has fog through the bullion. When working on getting a large number of bux it is tedious enough that some just want to make sure they are going through with people that are already max on gags so they quickly sound through the bullion. Perhaps if you have someone tell you it's too risky again whisper to them "Let's use sound" which would hopefully prompt them to check out your gags and see you have fog!

[Bumpy]

This is common and the only thing I can say is, you I don't recall having to do bullion mints as a mandatory task... unless they made some change. Sure 6 bullion mints is just 6, but it's still close to 250 cogs task, and does take time. Plus it's restricted to only bullion mints.

As to why some people, including myself, don't like to take some toons: Now I do take lower laffs even non friends or sfs, but I won't a lot of times. I'm maxed in bux but I will help my friends who need a run or 2 so we can all play together. We just choose not to take some toons that may slow that process down. Sure you have fog, but now way to know if it's maxed or close enough to help kill certain lvls. The only benefit of you having fog where we will take along a lower laff is when we just can't find a 4th. When it's just 2 or 3 of us and looking for a run we will pick up anyone with sound even without fog, since we can double and even a trumpet will help. But the thing I hate most are the people toons that come in and try to trap or drop so they can train - ON EVERY SET, EVERY TURN. Now that's one thing I am not looking for in any group.

I will help friends train and not take along randoms when I do. I only train in certain places and certain times. I don't mind when lower laffs train, WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE. There's just the natural assumption most don't know when it is appropriate. When someone lures a set of cogs it doesn't mean whip out that sand trap. When someone throws a cake, it doesn't mean drop your weight. The times that almost all groups will let you train are the very last set of cogs in mints. Last 2 floors of a bldg, on last cogs of each floor... NOT the very first set of cogs and on every turn. The best times for training would just naturally be Factory runs with a friend (never with randoms that are high laffers). VP/CFO where the cog is low lvl for you to trap and kill it alone, or drop along with someone's piano (if and only ifyou can't help someone else kill another cog).

Now I'm not saying you train or don't know how to play. A lot of times people just don't want to waste their time going in and finding out. Sometimes it's just easier to wait 10mins waiting on someone else to come by or wait for a friend to finish something to join them rather than wasting 10 mins to find out someone wants to train because of bonus modifier or someone not maxed sound.

[snowflake]

Yea that's sad for you I will be skeptical of going with a low level well like 80's but I won't judge unless I see if u have fog but it's sad how some toons judge on laff other than gags and strategy I hope you have better luck in the future.

[Good Ol Zigzag Jabbertoon]

Originally Posted by Bumpy

This is common and the only thing I can say is, you I don't recall having to do bullion mints as a mandatory task... unless they made some change. Sure 6 bullion mints is just 6, but it's still close to 250 cogs task, and does take time. Plus it's restricted to only bullion mints.

As to why some people, including myself, don't like to take some toons: Now I do take lower laffs even non friends or sfs, but I won't a lot of times. I'm maxed in bux but I will help my friends who need a run or 2 so we can all play together. We just choose not to take some toons that may slow that process down. Sure you have fog, but now way to know if it's maxed or close enough to help kill certain lvls. The only benefit of you having fog where we will take along a lower laff is when we just can't find a 4th. When it's just 2 or 3 of us and looking for a run we will pick up anyone with sound even without fog, since we can double and even a trumpet will help. But the thing I hate most are the people toons that come in and try to trap or drop so they can train - ON EVERY SET, EVERY TURN. Now that's one thing I am not looking for in any group.

I will help friends train and not take along randoms when I do. I only train in certain places and certain times. I don't mind when lower laffs train, WHEN IT'S APPROPRIATE. There's just the natural assumption most don't know when it is appropriate. When someone lures a set of cogs it doesn't mean whip out that sand trap. When someone throws a cake, it doesn't mean drop your weight. The times that almost all groups will let you train are the very last set of cogs in mints. Last 2 floors of a bldg, on last cogs of each floor... NOT the very first set of cogs and on every turn. The best times for training would just naturally be Factory runs with a friend (never with randoms that are high laffers). VP/CFO where the cog is low lvl for you to trap and kill it alone, or drop along with someone's piano (if and only ifyou can't help someone else kill another cog).

Now I'm not saying you train or don't know how to play. A lot of times people just don't want to waste their time going in and finding out. Sometimes it's just easier to wait 10mins waiting on someone else to come by or wait for a friend to finish something to join them rather than wasting 10 mins to find out someone wants to train because of bonus modifier or someone not maxed sound.

So what you are saying is you will take someone only when THEY can help YOU? So if I am reading this correct IF you can not found four to run with you will take anyone with sound because even a trumpet will help BUT if they want to work other gags then they have to find the "appropriate" time in order for you to let them?

Now this is just plain funny to me that you USE a toon that has trumpet when you can not find a 4th. What is this game coming to?

Seems to me a ten minute waste is a ten minute waste. If you are, as you say, wasting ten minutes why not waste it helping someone to get better at the game then standing around waiting. Sounds like great teamwork there!

DippyLollipop dont worry about it. I have a 71 laff toon that is maxed in everything and is a Holly and Baron 50 yet there are always fools at the mint door that will tell me it is to risky for me. Just stand back and let them load and pick up the next group.

[DippyLollipop]

Thanks for all of the comments guys! I did find a GREAT Toon today that found 2 others to go with us and we did my final run for my 6 Bullion mints! We ran through it with sound till the end, then we teamed up and all went for the same cog and worked our way through! TONS of fun and experience! At the end they all msg'd me well done, so there are at least 3 toons out there that know I follow direction pretty good and they asked to be added to my friends list! LOL

Anyway, thanks again! You guys rock!

[DippyLollipop]

Originally Posted by Bumpy

I don't recall having to do bullion mints as a mandatory task... unless they made some change.

Last Cashbot part, upper left arm I think?

I HATE when anyone, high laff or low use lure or drop, they rarely work! What I dont understand is if a toon has lure maxxed and they just need cogbucks why bother with lure, use sound and blast your way out and move on! Oh well, it's amazing what you can learn from a mint run!

Thanks to everyone for your comments, it does help understanding!

[Corny Wackysnout]

Originally Posted by Good Ol Zigzag Jabbertoon

So what you are saying is you will take someone only when THEY can help YOU? So if I am reading this correct IF you can not found four to run with you will take anyone with sound because even a trumpet will help BUT if they want to work other gags then they have to find the "appropriate" time in order for you to let them?

Now this is just plain funny to me that you USE a toon that has trumpet when you can not find a 4th. What is this game coming to?

Seems to me a ten minute waste is a ten minute waste. If you are, as you say, wasting ten minutes why not waste it helping someone to get better at the game then standing around waiting. Sounds like great teamwork there!

DippyLollipop dont worry about it. I have a 71 laff toon that is maxed in everything and is a Holly and Baron 50 yet there are always fools at the mint door that will tell me it is to risky for me. Just stand back and let them load and pick up the next group.

WELL STATED ZigZag!!! What is this game coming to? I don't need cogbucks or any of those tasks yet, so I don't even go to the bullion, but reading Bumpy's thread, you'd think he's playing for a lottery or somthing.

[ToonedToon]

An interesting point was raised... If you have to wait 10 minutes just to find a high toon, so that you can blast your way through with sound (because it's faster)... then you need to look at your logic a little. You could have went with a lower level immediately and finished the run at the same time... AND built up that toon to be stronger in the process.

Why are ppl so opposed to building gags in mints? I can easily go through bullion with 2 toons and carefully with just one extra toon. I have done it before. Chuck a couple of noobs in there and it's just more fun.

Do you like battling the cogs? Do you like this aspect of the game? or is it just a rush to get bucks?

I think thats the sad thing... that most are so intent on getting to 125 Laff that they just cannot have fun in the process... it's the journey, not the destination that's important right?

Have fun while getting there.

[Bumpy]

Originally Posted by Good Ol Zigzag Jabbertoon

So what you are saying is you will take someone only when THEY can help YOU? So if I am reading this correct IF you can not found four to run with you will take anyone with sound because even a trumpet will help BUT if they want to work other gags then they have to find the "appropriate" time in order for you to let them?

Now this is just plain funny to me that you USE a toon that has trumpet when you can not find a 4th. What is this game coming to?

Seems to me a ten minute waste is a ten minute waste. If you are, as you say, wasting ten minutes why not waste it helping someone to get better at the game then standing around waiting. Sounds like great teamwork there!

DippyLollipop dont worry about it. I have a 71 laff toon that is maxed in everything and is a Holly and Baron 50 yet there are always fools at the mint door that will tell me it is to risky for me. Just stand back and let them load and pick up the next group.

You darn right they have to find the "appropriate" time. The lowest lvl cog in a mint is lvl 10. And I don't waste my time training people in the mint because it's pointless regardless of the modifier. I've done my share of game playing and training in the factory or 5 story building has ALWAYS given more exp in the long run. Because it's easier, forget the safety issue for all the toons involved. It's easier because when using gags like drop, you don't miss as often since the cogs are lower lvl. If training lure it's also easier for the same reason. Plus there are 11 sets of cogs, just mostly sets of 3s(factory)... but that also helps in training, since you can only attack 1.

You're under the assumption I go out and find a low laff toon when I'm in a group of 3, that has even a trumpet. I never said that. I said I'll take one along. I can't keep him out when there's just 3 of us. And switching distrcits makes no sense since you have to constantly run across the tracks. And who are you to judge anything. It's my time and unlike some people we can't play round the clock. There are those that can only play couple 30mins at a time here and there and sometimes play couple hours here and there. And when we're all on we just check to see when we all can get together and play and the rest take care of personal chores. Let that keep baffling your mind then.

If that logic doesn't make sense to you then oh well. So let me get this straight, I'm "USING" a toon to get through a mint but they're not using US? Who needs who more, because when nobody around I have no problem running with 2 or 3 friends. As for 10mins wasted waiting or helping a smaller toon? The logic NEVER makes sense. If it takes 30 mins to run with 4 foggers, and if it somehow ONLY took 10mins more with a lower toon w/o full sound... then you do your math I can play for 30mins and go grab dinner the 10mins while we wait for a friend or I can play for 40mins. 30mins of playing does not equal 40mins of playing no matter what.

I help friends train and I help randoms train. The nonsfs on my list are randoms I took along on runs and helped them train. And as I said I've taken randoms and small toons on mint runs w/ or w/o fog and on the last 2 sets of cogs train them. The problem running is that yes some are kids and some are just people that don't care or think about things. I just CHOOSE not to run into a situation where it's a 6 year old that just wants to hop around or a griefer. And I've learned a long time ago that this works for me.

Wasting 10 mins on you is a waste of 10 mins to me. Good teamwork is when the 10 mins extra is used for the benefit of the GROUP not an individual. So in cases of training (even in bullion mint), I'll try bring friends that aren't maxed gags, but I'll make sure everyone knows. Even nonsfs know to just say "let's use lure/trap/drop", before going in anywhere to show they want to train. For the most part people will say "No Thank You", but some will say ok. And judging from your need to make the lowest laff toon with max gags and max sell/cash. That tells me exactly, that you're that type I try to avoid. We all had to max our toons ourselves, and I NEVER trained in the mint, because I NEVER had the need. The first time you see that 5500 or 8900 or 14,400 you realize oh that's going to take a while and they must be in a rush. And guess what, I RESPECTED THAT, and followed them and trained at other times.

[Good Ol Zigzag Jabbertoon]

Just a couple of things to note.

First... I never made an assumption about anything. After reading my post again I never said you go out and find a low laff toon. I will quote it again for you since you seemed to miss it the first time.

Originally Posted by ME

So what you are saying is you will take someone only when THEY can help YOU? So if I am reading this correct IF you can not found four to run with you will take anyone with sound because even a trumpet will help BUT if they want to work other gags then they have to find the "appropriate" time in order for you to let them?

Understand one thing. There is nothing about your post that is baffling my mind. In the years I have played this game I have seen your kind come and go.

As to you NEVER training in the mint. I find it hard to beleive that at no time during a mint run did you trap or drop or squirt on a left over cog. If that is the case then you are by far the best TT player I have ever seen, however if you did use a gag other then sound on the left over cogs then you DID train in the mint. I guess that is the "appropriate" time you speak of.

As for the type of player I am...you have NO IDEA so you should not even go down that road.

Bottom line...if you do not want to play with randoms then maybe a game that 1000's play is not the best game for you. Once you understand that you are not the only toon running the streets and the game allows FOUR toons into the mint the game might even become fun for you.

Good luck to you as you play!

Originally Posted by Bumpy

You darn right they have to find the "appropriate" time. The lowest lvl cog in a mint is lvl 10. And I don't waste my time training people in the mint because it's pointless regardless of the modifier. I've done my share of game playing and training in the factory or 5 story building has ALWAYS given more exp in the long run. Because it's easier, forget the safety issue for all the toons involved. It's easier because when using gags like drop, you don't miss as often since the cogs are lower lvl. If training lure it's also easier for the same reason. Plus there are 11 sets of cogs, just mostly sets of 3s(factory)... but that also helps in training, since you can only attack 1.

You're under the assumption I go out and find a low laff toon when I'm in a group of 3, that has even a trumpet. I never said that. I said I'll take one along. I can't keep him out when there's just 3 of us. And switching distrcits makes no sense since you have to constantly run across the tracks. And who are you to judge anything. It's my time and unlike some people we can't play round the clock. There are those that can only play couple 30mins at a time here and there and sometimes play couple hours here and there. And when we're all on we just check to see when we all can get together and play and the rest take care of personal chores. Let that keep baffling your mind then.

If that logic doesn't make sense to you then oh well. So let me get this straight, I'm "USING" a toon to get through a mint but they're not using US? Who needs who more, because when nobody around I have no problem running with 2 or 3 friends. As for 10mins wasted waiting or helping a smaller toon? The logic NEVER makes sense. If it takes 30 mins to run with 4 foggers, and if it somehow ONLY took 10mins more with a lower toon w/o full sound... then you do your math I can play for 30mins and go grab dinner the 10mins while we wait for a friend or I can play for 40mins. 30mins of playing does not equal 40mins of playing no matter what.

I help friends train and I help randoms train. The nonsfs on my list are randoms I took along on runs and helped them train. And as I said I've taken randoms and small toons on mint runs w/ or w/o fog and on the last 2 sets of cogs train them. The problem running is that yes some are kids and some are just people that don't care or think about things. I just CHOOSE not to run into a situation where it's a 6 year old that just wants to hop around or a griefer. And I've learned a long time ago that this works for me.

Wasting 10 mins on you is a waste of 10 mins to me. Good teamwork is when the 10 mins extra is used for the benefit of the GROUP not an individual. So in cases of training (even in bullion mint), I'll try bring friends that aren't maxed gags, but I'll make sure everyone knows. Even nonsfs know to just say "let's use lure/trap/drop", before going in anywhere to show they want to train. For the most part people will say "No Thank You", but some will say ok. And judging from your need to make the lowest laff toon with max gags and max sell/cash. That tells me exactly, that you're that type I try to avoid. We all had to max our toons ourselves, and I NEVER trained in the mint, because I NEVER had the need. The first time you see that 5500 or 8900 or 14,400 you realize oh that's going to take a while and they must be in a rush. And guess what, I RESPECTED THAT, and followed them and trained at other times.

[LoneWolfiNTj]

Originally Posted by DippyLollipop

I am an 85 laffer ... I was
standing outside the bullion mint this morning ...
there were 3 different toons there 100+ and I asked
for help, one msg'd me "I think this is too risky for you"
... What's up with that...

Yes, shunning an 85LP toon at the Bullion elevator
door is ridiculous. HQ starts handing out Bullion
toontasks to toons starting when they're about 73LP,
so I'll generally go in there with anyone at that level
and above. I'm currently doing 25 bullions to get a
small toon.

(Why did the shetland pony have a hard time speaking
at the toastmaster's meeting? Because he was a little
horse. Da-da-boom-ching.)

High LP is no guarantee of good cog-fighting skills,
anyway. I've been in mints with just 2 45LP toons as
companions and won easily; and I've been in mints
with 3 100+LP toons and died because of their
incompetence. How many times do I have to tell
some toons "I'm going to use lure", "Don't use sound
on lured cogs", and "Let's all go for the same cog"
before they start to get the message? How many
times do some toons need to die before they begin
to realize they shouldn't wake level 11 cogs from lure
until they're prepared to kill them in one blow?
It's flabbergasting. Some toons learn those things
before they get to 40LP; others apparently NEVER
learn.

Bottom line: you take your chances if you go into mints
or buildings with random toons, regardless of what
LP level they're at; so you might as well not shun 85LPers,
because they're nearly as likely to be good cog-fighters
as 117LPers.

Look for me hanging around Bullion the next few
evenings in Nutty Hills or Nutty River. Lets go in
the mint.

Cheers,
Prof. Fangs Thunderwoof (105LP brown horse)